Are you a feminist?

[santoyo.bay]

I guess I should've been more specific and explaining.
It's way less likely for something to happen when it's illegal, especially with this example as feminism becames ever more prevalent (again).
Basically, there's less of a chance for it to happen.

wow. great logic. discrimination never went away.

 

[Aniko]

The wage gap doesn't really exist.
For one, it is illegal to discriminate the workers based on their sex. Secondly, you have to take into account the fact that men tend to take higher paying jobs while women tend to take lower paying jobs.
infographic because im rlly tired and dont want to link the actual sources lmao

Jobs that need the same qualifications (diploma) and responsibilities should be paid the same. However you still can earn more money working without diploma and with less responsibilities in area where they hire mostly men. It changed a lot with the years but it's still like that in some companies. Where I worked the guys working in sales were paid much than women for the same job, except that they worked less, they spent more time next to the coffeemaker talking about women.

 

[dierefuji]

wow. great logic. discrimination never went away.

Nice job relaying insults on an arguement in a condescending non-serious tone while still completely missing the point.
What should I have expected from tumblrinas?

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Jobs that need the same qualifications (diploma) and responsibilities should be paid the same. However you still can earn more money working without diploma and with less responsibilities in area where they hire mostly men. It changed a lot with the years but it's still like that in some companies. Where I worked the guys working in sales were paid much than women for the same job, except that they worked less, they spent more time next to the coffeemaker talking about women.

Well, that is still more of the company administrator's fault for not getting onto people for not working.
But I mostly agree, though mainly my point was that when the wage gap is mentioned, it typically ignores such points like job, responsibility, experience, etc.

 

[seliph]

Nice job relaying insults on an arguement in a condescending non-serious tone while still completely missing the point.

What should I have expected from tumblrinas?

You're kidding me with this right

 

[dierefuji]

You're kidding me with this right

Yes, actually. That was the joke.

 

[seliph]

Yes, actually. That was the joke.

Thank the lord

 

[marinamarina]

This thread has had a long and interesting life. Feminism is what you want it to be y'all.

 

[Aniko]

Nice job relaying insults on an arguement in a condescending non-serious tone while still completely missing the point.
What should I have expected from tumblrinas?

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Well, that is still more of the company administrator's fault for not getting onto people for not working.
But I mostly agree, though mainly my point was that when the wage gap is mentioned, it typically ignores such points like job, responsibility, experience, etc.

Well, the boss was sexist that's all. Those guys had just one year of experience and sold less than others, there were no reasons for them to be paid more.

Right, the salary should be decided on the qualifications and responsibilities, like nurses who have diplomas and are responsible of life of their patients, shouldn't be paid less than some people working in construction (for instance) or picking up the trash with just a high school diploma.

 

[AnonymousFish]

I meant to hit "Other" but I hit No instead. Sorry.
Anyway, I prefer to think of equality as more than just gender-based... and since Feminists usually get a bad rep because of the radical (few) men-haters, I go with Egalitarian. But that's just me. c:

 

[santoyo.bay]

I meant to hit "Other" but I hit No instead. Sorry.
Anyway, I prefer to think of equality as more than just gender-based... and since Feminists usually get a bad rep because of the radical (few) men-haters, I go with Egalitarian. But that's just me. c:

Sadly there are some man-hating "feminists", but those aren't feminists.

 

[Fantasyrick]

Oh yeah, and I also hate that if you have a penis or a vagina that's what determines your sex, I'm really tired of it

What did that have to do with anything?

 

[radical6]

What's wrong w makeup though? in places where women have v few rights its often one of the first things to go.

lol what? you think women in saudi arabia are concerned they can't wear makeup?

WHY do women feel pressured to wear makeup is the real question. WHY do women feel the need to dress themselves up? why can't we look casual like men? why do we have to put so much effort into maintaining ourselves?

makeup is not "empowering". i dont give a **** about choice feminism. i dont care if you wear makeup, but acting like a 12 yr old girl is "empowered" for wearing makeup (re: shes pressured and wants to fit in) is ****ing hilarious.

liberal feminism is stupid as **** and only applies to western, middle class women who think they're representing poor minority girls when they're not.

newsflash: someone saying you wear too much makeup is not oppression, actual poor girls dont give a **** about what you wear when they're trying not to get raped. my feminism does not give a **** about white middle class pampered little ****s who act like theyre the most oppressed int he world because they can't wear makeup without someone saying it looks bad or something. guess what. i dont care.

my concern has always been with poor minority girls in struggling countries who are forced into sexual trafficking. i literally do not give two ****s about why people shame you for watching porn. porn is also ****ing evil and not feminist at all, but thats another topic for another day.

all modern feminism is in the west is catering to white middle class women. thats literally it. no one gives a ****ing damn about girls being sold as ****ing sex slaves. no one gives a ****ing damn about honor killings. not one. i refuse to talk to liberal feminists who think they're "oppressed" when they give no ****s besides themselves.

 

[ApolloJusticeAC]

lol what? you think women in saudi arabia are concerned they can't wear makeup?

WHY do women feel pressured to wear makeup is the real question. WHY do women feel the need to dress themselves up? why can't we look casual like men? why do we have to put so much effort into maintaining ourselves?

makeup is not "empowering". i dont give a **** about choice feminism. i dont care if you wear makeup, but acting like a 12 yr old girl is "empowered" for wearing makeup (re: shes pressured and wants to fit in) is ****ing hilarious.

liberal feminism is stupid as **** and only applies to western, middle class women who think they're representing poor minority girls when they're not.

newsflash: someone saying you wear too much makeup is not oppression, actual poor girls dont give a **** about what you wear when they're trying not to get raped. my feminism does not give a **** about white middle class pampered little ****s who act like theyre the most oppressed int he world because they can't wear makeup without someone saying it looks bad or something. guess what. i dont care.

my concern has always been with poor minority girls in struggling countries who are forced into sexual trafficking. i literally do not give two ****s about why people shame you for watching porn. porn is also ****ing evil and not feminist at all, but thats another topic for another day.

all modern feminism is in the west is catering to white middle class women. thats literally it. no one gives a ****ing damn about girls being sold as ****ing sex slaves. no one gives a ****ing damn about honor killings. not one. i refuse to talk to liberal feminists who think they're "oppressed" when they give no ****s besides themselves.

preach it
also this thread is getting out of hand so...

 

[marinamarina]

lol what? you think women in saudi arabia are concerned they can't wear makeup?

WHY do women feel pressured to wear makeup is the real question. WHY do women feel the need to dress themselves up? why can't we look casual like men? why do we have to put so much effort into maintaining ourselves?

makeup is not "empowering". i dont give a **** about choice feminism. i dont care if you wear makeup, but acting like a 12 yr old girl is "empowered" for wearing makeup (re: shes pressured and wants to fit in) is ****ing hilarious.

liberal feminism is stupid as **** and only applies to western, middle class women who think they're representing poor minority girls when they're not.

newsflash: someone saying you wear too much makeup is not oppression, actual poor girls dont give a **** about what you wear when they're trying not to get raped. my feminism does not give a **** about white middle class pampered little ****s who act like theyre the most oppressed int he world because they can't wear makeup without someone saying it looks bad or something. guess what. i dont care.

my concern has always been with poor minority girls in struggling countries who are forced into sexual trafficking. i literally do not give two ****s about why people shame you for watching porn. porn is also ****ing evil and not feminist at all, but thats another topic for another day.

all modern feminism is in the west is catering to white middle class women. thats literally it. no one gives a ****ing damn about girls being sold as ****ing sex slaves. no one gives a ****ing damn about honor killings. not one. i refuse to talk to liberal feminists who think they're "oppressed" when they give no ****s besides themselves.

Omg calm down, I wasn't saying that it's the most important thing. You're taking it really personally and I never said I was oppressed because of makeup I was just responding to you saying that makeup wasn't empowering. To me it is cause it allows me to control my appearance in a creative way and I have struggled w my appearance to the point of an ed (sorry stupid white girl prob ) are you doing any thing to help those women? I don't watch porn but not all of it comes from sex trafficking?

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Also can we talk calmly w/o resorting to cursing me out?

 

[seliph]

Omg calm down, I wasn't saying that it's the most important thing. You're taking it really personally and I never said I was oppressed because of makeup I was just responding to you saying that makeup wasn't empowering. To me it is cause it allows me to control my appearance in a creative way and I have struggled w my appearance to the point of an ed (sorry stupid white girl prob ) are you doing any thing to help those women? I don't watch porn but not all of it comes from sex trafficking?

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Also can we talk calmly w/o resorting to cursing me out?

Idk if she's cussing you out but it's pretty reasonable to be angry and passionate about the things she's talking about, and I really don't think saying "calm down" is gonna result in anything good.

Also a little on the porn subject, no not all of it comes from sex trafficking but it is a hugely misogynistic industry in itself (just one example of this is how often the actresses don't consent to everything that goes down in a video) and aside from obviously objectifying women it fetishizes things like race, rape, and pedophilia.

 

[Gnome]

https://youtu.be/qqXi8WmQ_WM

this song is answer enough

 

[marinamarina]

Idk if she's cussing you out but it's pretty reasonable to be angry and passionate about the things she's talking about, and I really don't think saying "calm down" is gonna result in anything good.

Also a little on the porn subject, no not all of it comes from sex trafficking but it is a hugely misogynistic industry in itself (just one example of this is how often the actresses don't consent to everything that goes down in a video) and aside from obviously objectifying women it fetishizes things like race, rape, and pedophilia.

The thing that upsets me is that I agree with her for the most part all I was trying to say is that I think somehow can say makeup's empowering for them personally. It honestly hurt my feelings a little to be responded to with such hostility. Saying calm down was rude of me and I shouldn't have said that but she was rude as well. It's super important to learn to talk about things that are important to you in a less hostile way otherwise no one will listen. I agree that the most important feminist issues are mostly outside of the west, but she didn't give me a chance to say anything. It's bad for people who are on the same side to be fighting.

 

[focus]

lol what? you think women in saudi arabia are concerned they can't wear makeup?

ok but who said we can't?

 

[marinamarina]

ok but who said we can't?

She just said that cause I said women were less likely to wear makeup in places they had few rights (which made her extremely angry)so she used that as an example

 

[focus]

She just said that cause I said women were less likely to wear makeup in places they had few rights (which made her extremely angry)so she used that as an example

no?? we dont have less rights (other than driving and very few other things)?? and we wear makeup better than most americans do. please educate yourselves yalll

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and tbh yall wish the driving things bothers us lol we get paid well we can afford having drivers and why is makeup a feminist issue let alone AN issue anyway like there are starving children and yall wanna focus on if arab women wear makeup or not like we're good thank u focus on ya own damn problems