Are you a feminist?

[marinamarina]

no?? we dont have less rights (other than driving and very few other things)?? and we wear makeup better than most americans do. please educate yourselves yalll

Yeah she was the one who thought you didn't wear makeup, but I'm sure you guys are great at makeup like you say!

 

[Aniko]

lol what? you think women in saudi arabia are concerned they can't wear makeup?

WHY do women feel pressured to wear makeup is the real question. WHY do women feel the need to dress themselves up? why can't we look casual like men? why do we have to put so much effort into maintaining ourselves?

makeup is not "empowering". i dont give a **** about choice feminism. i dont care if you wear makeup, but acting like a 12 yr old girl is "empowered" for wearing makeup (re: shes pressured and wants to fit in) is ****ing hilarious.

liberal feminism is stupid as **** and only applies to western, middle class women who think they're representing poor minority girls when they're not.

newsflash: someone saying you wear too much makeup is not oppression, actual poor girls dont give a **** about what you wear when they're trying not to get raped. my feminism does not give a **** about white middle class pampered little ****s who act like theyre the most oppressed int he world because they can't wear makeup without someone saying it looks bad or something. guess what. i dont care.

my concern has always been with poor minority girls in struggling countries who are forced into sexual trafficking. i literally do not give two ****s about why people shame you for watching porn. porn is also ****ing evil and not feminist at all, but thats another topic for another day.

all modern feminism is in the west is catering to white middle class women. thats literally it. no one gives a ****ing damn about girls being sold as ****ing sex slaves. no one gives a ****ing damn about honor killings. not one. i refuse to talk to liberal feminists who think they're "oppressed" when they give no ****s besides themselves.

Wait wait wait...it's not just poor minority girls in struggling countries who are forced in sexual trafficking, there are also human traffic in canada and other first world countries (as someone said). But right, lot of people think it doesn't exist.

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I think the worst enemy of women, are other women, haha, why do we always have to ***** each other?

 

[Aniko]

no?? we dont have less rights (other than driving and very few other things)?? and we wear makeup better than most americans do. please educate yourselves yalll

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and tbh yall wish the driving things bothers us lol we get paid well we can afford having drivers and why is makeup a feminist issue let alone AN issue anyway like there are starving children and yall wanna focus on if arab women wear makeup or not like we're good thank u focus on ya own damn problems

Are you from Saudi Arabia? What would you like to change there?

Personally, I would like people stop telling me that I can't do this or that because I'm a woman, it pisses me off no end, just being called a woman piss me off in fact, I think I prefer being a potato, but I digress. Once (a long time ago) I wanted to work in a supermarket on the night shift, the manager said no because we had to carry boxes of canned food and girls weren't allowed to do that, I was already carrying boxes of canned foods in another supermarket so it wasn't a problem, but no, instead he hired an asthmatic old man, who was smaller and lighter than I was and that could barely stand on his feet. I mean he could just have said that he wanted to give a chance to an old man who was jobless instead of telling me he didn't want to hire girls. Later, I have been refused a job because I didn't want to wear a skirt and high heels, perhaps I would have made some effort if all guys were wearing those, but it wasn't the case.
When I was a kid, I wanted a pocket knife for by birthday, my mom said "no, it's not for girls"...not even "it's too dangerous"...Then I wanted to sleep in the tent with my cousins of 7-8 yo, again I have been told girls couldn't do that...why? I wanted to do martial arts, mom was against it (I did anyway)...but it was always the same reason, "girls can't do that". I cut my hair, people complain, I don't wear dress or make up, people complain, I swear like a truck driver they complain again I'm not locked in a cage but it's damn annoying and it must be the same for other persons as well whatever the gender. Who decided of that nonsense?

About make-up, when I was in high school, my music teacher started his class one day by telling us "You know why girls are wearing make-up? It's because they are naturally ugly and it doesn't get better with the years, guys don't be fooled" Oh okay, I'm fine with that XD What a strange thing to say, maybe he was expecting girls to argue back or something, or it was just a joke..I dunno, everybody ignored him and started their lessons.

 

[focus]

Are you from Saudi Arabia? What would you like to change there?

not much. most people here respect women. and this country operated by Sharia Law (which i completely respect) which is why men and women are seperated (men having their own side of a restaurant, etc) but its not like its the end of the world if i have to go through a different door to get my drink at starbucks you know? its also why women cover up. like respect their beliefs even if you dont agree. tbh people make such a big deal out of SA not giving women their rights when actually we do

 

[Aniko]

not much. most people here respect women. and this country operated by Sharia Law (which i completely respect) which is why men and women are seperated (men having their own side of a restaurant, etc) but its not like its the end of the world if i have to go through a different door to get my drink at starbucks you know? its also why women cover up. like respect their beliefs even if you dont agree. tbh people make such a big deal out of SA not giving women their rights when actually we do

Not much, so what are the little things? I knew a girl from Saudi Arabia who was annoyed that her brother in law had to follow her while shopping, it's how it was in her family, it's not like she disliked him or he prevented her to buy things, but it annoyed her anyway. I'm living in Canada, in a relatively quiet town, so I'm not complaining, I can ride by bike in the woods or in the streets during evenings and apart skunks, nobody bothers me. It's not the case in all the towns and for everybody, but I'm relatively lucky, so far I've never been raped, or beaten, or anything really bad (unlike other people) but there are still tiny things that bother me. Are there tiny things that bother you? If not, that's all right.

 

[zoetrope]

not much. most people here respect women. and this country operated by Sharia Law (which i completely respect) which is why men and women are seperated (men having their own side of a restaurant, etc) but its not like its the end of the world if i have to go through a different door to get my drink at starbucks you know? its also why women cover up. like respect their beliefs even if you dont agree. tbh people make such a big deal out of SA not giving women their rights when actually we do

Would you consider women in Saudi Arabia to be 'separate but equal?'

 

[focus]

Not much, so what are the little things? I knew a girl from Saudi Arabia who was annoyed that her brother in law had to follow her while shopping, it's how it was in her family, it's not like she disliked him or he prevented her to buy things, but it annoyed her anyway. I'm living in Canada, in a relatively quiet town, so I'm not complaining, I can ride by bike in the woods or in the streets during evenings and apart skunks, nobody bothers me. It's not the case in all the towns and for everybody, but I'm relatively lucky, so far I've never been raped, or beaten, or anything really bad (unlike other people) but there are still tiny things that bother me. Are there tiny things that bother you? If not, that's all right.

well thats how her family is. i go to the mall by myself all the time and nobody tells me sht. and by "some things" i meant like extremists that treat women bad, but we (saudis on twitter) usually turn them into memes and make an ass out of them so its ok

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Would you consider women in Saudi Arabia to be 'separate but equal?'

i guess it depends on the family but i bet over half of saudi families would say yes

 

[radical6]

Omg calm down, I wasn't saying that it's the most important thing. You're taking it really personally and I never said I was oppressed because of makeup I was just responding to you saying that makeup wasn't empowering. To me it is cause it allows me to control my appearance in a creative way and I have struggled w my appearance to the point of an ed (sorry stupid white girl prob ) are you doing any thing to help those women? I don't watch porn but not all of it comes from sex trafficking?

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Also can we talk calmly w/o resorting to cursing me out?

Makeup is not "empowering". Women should not have to wear makeup to feel empowered.

Yes, I work with victims of sexual abuse and dedicate my time to activism. It is a highly personal subject to me since I can relate to them heavily as a victim of sexual abuse.

Not all porn is rape, but the thing is you can't tell if that homemade porn video was rape or not. You can't tell if the actress in the video is high or not, because a lot of porn stars are drugged and addicted to drugs. There are many testimonies from ex porn stars about how they were pressured to do things they didn't want. How awful it was for them. How misogynist the male porn stars were.

There is a huge problem in society where thanks to porn, its becoming mainstream to hit and be rough with women. Teenage boys are pressuring their girlfrriends into doing dangerous anal sex. Its always painful for the teenage girls. Yes that is because of porn, its thanks to the rise of anal porn. I have a stud about it.

Porn is degenerate anyway tbh. But just know you have no way of knowing if the porn youre watching is consenual or not.

 

[Cory]

I don't see why women and men shouldn't be equal.

 

[himeki]

i am, but im not what you'd call a "radical" femenist

 

[gh0st]

I would say that yes, I am a feminist because I choose to take small actions in my day to day life to ensure that my experience as a woman is not stereotyped or pigeonholed. But, then again, I live in a very liberal small town in California by the beach and there is a huge LGBTQ and feminist community, so everyone here strives to make the day to day life here different than the poop you see on TV.

So, I would say that although I do not struggle very much in terms of my casual living, the greater good of all women is what concerns me and makes me continue to strive to be a living example of a confident, independent, creative and non-binary human.

 

[Aniko]

well thats how her family is. i go to the mall by myself all the time and nobody tells me sht. and by "some things" i meant like extremists that treat women bad, but we (saudis on twitter) usually turn them into memes and make an ass out of them so its ok

I haven't been on Twitter for a while but yes there are some funny meme about extremists of all kind. Would you consider yourself privileged compared to other women in your country including foreign workers? In my country, I see myself as privileged, I don't have to struggle with sexism too much compared to others. In 2015 women in Saudi Arabia were voting for the first time, lot of men were also voting for a first time lol considering elections as not as frequent as in Canada for instance, do you think it's a good thing?

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Makeup is not "empowering". Women should not have to wear makeup to feel empowered.

Yes, I work with victims of sexual abuse and dedicate my time to activism. It is a highly personal subject to me since I can relate to them heavily as a victim of sexual abuse.

Not all porn is rape, but the thing is you can't tell if that homemade porn video was rape or not. You can't tell if the actress in the video is high or not, because a lot of porn stars are drugged and addicted to drugs. There are many testimonies from ex porn stars about how they were pressured to do things they didn't want. How awful it was for them. How misogynist the male porn stars were.

There is a huge problem in society where thanks to porn, its becoming mainstream to hit and be rough with women. Teenage boys are pressuring their girlfrriends into doing dangerous anal sex. Its always painful for the teenage girls. Yes that is because of porn, its thanks to the rise of anal porn. I have a stud about it.

Porn is degenerate anyway tbh. But just know you have no way of knowing if the porn youre watching is consenual or not.

What if it's the case for some? Personally make-up make me feel like a clown or dirty but perhaps that for some it's like war paints. The problem is not feeling good or empowered wearing it, but feeling bad and weak without it. My mom is one of those women who can't go out without make-up, younger she was wearing it even at home, now she's more relaxed, maybe one day she won't wear it anymore but meanwhile I won't make her feel bad about it.

 

[focus]

I haven't been on Twitter for a while but yes there are some funny meme about extremists of all kind. Would you consider yourself privileged compared to other women in your country including foreign workers? In my country, I see myself as privileged, I don't have to struggle with sexism too much compared to others. In 2015 women in Saudi Arabia were voting for the first time, lot of men were also voting for a first time lol considering elections as not as frequent as in Canada for instance, do you think it's a good thing?

hmm i dunno i guess yea a lil bit since i come from a good educated wealthy family? i'd say foreigners are treated w more respect tbh but idk im being very biased here
and about the voting i dont actually know lol i am only a teenager i dont care all too much about politics and elections are veerryy rare :/ monarchy can be good and bad. at least it doesnt split the country in two *cough*presidental candidates*cough*

 

[princesse]

I'm not a feminist, but I understand their points. I just don't like arguing because I have so little facts to back up my points :/.

 

[Aniko]

hmm i dunno i guess yea a lil bit since i come from a good educated wealthy family? i'd say foreigners are treated w more respect tbh but idk im being very biased here
and about the voting i dont actually know lol i am only a teenager i dont care all too much about politics and elections are veerryy rare :/ monarchy can be good and bad. at least it doesnt split the country in two *cough*presidental candidates*cough*

In Canada we like to split in more than two Thanks for answering me.

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Just saw that in the news. It's not a life threatening problem, but it's still a problem, what if you all (guys included) were at her place and couldn't/wouldn't wear high heels because uncomfortable, back pain, foot problems, vertigo or whatever? Is it fair or not? High heels are not like steel-toe boots or any special shoes necessary for a job, it doesn't protect her from injuries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36264229?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/129823

 

[AnimalCrossingPerson]

I laughed at the thread title then thought of Buzzfeed.

Please don't hurt me.

 

[Gregriii]

wait, I think people is only talking about women's rights. Isnt feminism about equality? Why no one complains about men not able to wear pink clothes or skirts, for example?? And yes I know men don't often get in trouble for those things, but do they have to be ignored bc they are a minory??

 

[Celestefey]

wait, I think people is only talking about women's rights. Isnt feminism about equality? Why no one complains about men not able to wear pink clothes or skirts, for example?? And yes I know men don't often get in trouble for those things, but do they have to be ignored bc they are a minory??

A lot of feminists talk about that though. Feminists do actually realise how detrimental society can be towards men who engage in typically "feminine" things, like maybe wearing skirts or putting on make-up or whatever. A lot of people do complain that feminists don't care about mens rights, when actually they probably care about them a lot more than "meninists" or "egalitarians" do. They just don't see it, or don't realise it, or don't understand feminism is about equality between all genders regardless of who they are, where they come from, etc.

 

[radical6]

hmm i dunno i guess yea a lil bit since i come from a good educated wealthy family? i'd say foreigners are treated w more respect tbh but idk im being very biased here
and about the voting i dont actually know lol i am only a teenager i dont care all too much about politics and elections are veerryy rare :/ monarchy can be good and bad. at least it doesnt split the country in two *cough*presidental candidates*cough*

When I refer to women in Saudi Arabia suffering, its the poor migrant workers who come to work only to get groped and abused. I donated to a woman who got her arm cut off. I would say Saudi Arabia is at least very behind in worker rights, the maids have no freedom there and can't escape. Considering I have a lesbian friend in Saudi Arabia whos horrified she will get executed, my opinion of the country isnt very high. Not like the west is any better in terms of history, I very much dislike the west, but Saudi Arabia is behind on human rights.

 

[Aniko]

wait, I think people is only talking about women's rights. Isnt feminism about equality? Why no one complains about men not able to wear pink clothes or skirts, for example?? And yes I know men don't often get in trouble for those things, but do they have to be ignored bc they are a minory??

Yes it's talking about women rights, or problems related mostly to women because perhaps men are not aware of those just like it's not all women that are aware that men also want to wear pink clothes (well they can) and skirts. It would be better that men stand up and claim pink clothes and skirts for themselves instead of waiting for women doing it right? And of course, women could support you in that. Men in skirts are a minority in certain cities, but men forced to wear suits and ties when it's scorching hot in summer are not a minority and they should fight for their rights IMO. Men have their own problems related to their gender too I guess.