I've got a debate question...

[Sporge27]

If aliens have the same religion as us I would be astounded... might even convert me.

Then again it could just be time traveling missionaries trying to trick people like me >_>

 

[The Sign Painter]

Hm, I think perhaps the aliens will know more about a god, and maybe even have solid evidence.

 

[Ron Ronaldo]

I would hope that we wouldn't meet the aliens, because I think humans are too warlike and they might start something due to their fear of the unknown. :L

If aliens do exist and we were to meet them, hopefully both planets would be tolerant of the other's culture, and even better, would be interesting in learning about and befriending the other civilization, without feeling the need to convert them or some other such nonsense. ^^

But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.

It wouldn't matter who was right. As long as the civilizations could be mature about it and agree to disagree. :U

 

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Kaleb finally got his namechange. Woo hoo Kaleb. ^-^

 

[Megamannt125]

Religion wouldn't completely disappear, but atheism would likely become the prominent belief.

Also, Aliens will look nothing like us, might not even have eyes or two legs. It would be a planet that had a completely different evolutionary chain.

 

[[Nook]]

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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.

The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.

But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.

But the chances are of that happening are inconceivable.
>that it would be the PERFECT distance from the son
>that it would develop its own axis
>it would be able to sustain life
>it would develop life
>it would create chemicals and elements
>it would perfectly form the water and air
>it would create the ideal atmosphere required for life

The list can go on. Scientifically, that would never happen randomly.

Or, the gods put life on all the planets and stars on the universe to see which ones would survive.

 

[Deleted User]

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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.

The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.

But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.

But the chances are of that happening are inconceivable.
>that it would be the PERFECT distance from the son
>that it would develop its own axis
>it would be able to sustain life
>it would develop life
>it would create chemicals and elements
>it would perfectly form the water and air
>it would create the ideal atmosphere required for life

The list can go on. Scientifically, that would never happen randomly.

Okay, first of all, there is actually more than one perfect distance from the sun, or any star. It's called the habitable zone, and as long as the planet is in it, it can sustain life. Also, EVERYTHING in space besides asteroids or comets are on an axis, even black holes. Next, there is other life out there. There has been amino acids and proteins found on asteroids in space. Next, there IS water and air on other space objects. I can't believe you don't know that. Asteroids are made up of mostly water! And an atmosphere = air. Venus has an atmosphere, but It's just so thick that it would suffocate us.

To sum it up, the universe is just so big, we will never know all there is to know. The creation of Earth could have very well been just a coincidence. With all that space out there, there just has to be perfect conditions for life. Only narrow minded people wouldn't see that.

 

[Megamannt125]

Bacon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_g

 

[Ciaran]

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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.

The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.

But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.

But the chances are of that happening are inconceivable.
>that it would be the PERFECT distance from the son
>that it would develop its own axis
>it would be able to sustain life
>it would develop life
>it would create chemicals and elements
>it would perfectly form the water and air
>it would create the ideal atmosphere required for life

The list can go on. Scientifically, that would never happen randomly.

Scientifically, most of those things would be a natural chain of events (well, the ones that made sense anyway)
So, all that was really needed would be one 'spark' to set everything off, and the rest would follow.

The real question is what that 'spark' is, whether it is some omnipotent God, or a 'Big Bang'.

Religion chooses to say a God made the universe and it's standing by that answer, while science is using theory and observation to work out what they believe happened.

And unfortunately no-one knows the answer, so all this arguing can stop.

 

[«Jack»]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

 

[Megamannt125]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

Where did god come from then?
Every belief is based on everything just coming out of nowhere, whether it's a random big explosion or a magic wizard appearing out of nowhere.
Also, I think you should read up on the Big Bang theory, I know I can't fully explain it to you, so this should be a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theory

 

[Colour Bandit]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

Where did god come from then?
Every belief is based on everything just coming out of nowhere, whether it's a random big explosion or a magic wizard appearing out of nowhere.
Also, I think you should read up on the Big Bang theory, I know I can't fully explain it to you, so this should be a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_theory

Aah, the Big bang theory, brings back many happy memories.

Anyway @Topic; Aliens+ Religion...Who says that any aliens we meet even have a
religion? They may have once believed in their own god or gods and may have prooved that what they once believed in was false...Or who says that we will still have religion in the future?

 

[Sporge27]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

No it doesn't entirely. All we have right now is that it was most likely random luck.

But science is trying to work its way slowly backward to figure it out. As we get better at understanding the fundamental forces in the world it is likely we will find new answers. Heck it could include god but it can't until there is observable evidence, until then he doesn't need to be in the current models.

 

[Pear]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

No it doesn't entirely. All we have right now is that it was most likely random luck.

But science is trying to work its way slowly backward to figure it out. As we get better at understanding the fundamental forces in the world it is likely we will find new answers. Heck it could include god but it can't until there is observable evidence, until then he doesn't need to be in the current models.

One possible theory about the big bang is that the universe has always existed, and has been contracting to a single, infinitesimally small point, then expanding, the contracting again.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Waitwaitwait Bacon Boy. You are massacring science. Do you know how large the universe is? Infinite. That means there can be an infinite number of planets. The odds that one planet, Earth is unique in being able to sustain life are nonexistent. Mega's planet that he posted proves exactly that. If you have an infinite number of trials, the odds that you will get the same result twice are infinitely greater than the odds that you don't.

But that still does not explain how an explosion made everything. I'm not questioning whether or not there are other planets like ours (if I did, that is not what I meant). I am, however, questioning how you can prove to me scientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

No it doesn't entirely. All we have right now is that it was most likely random luck.

But science is trying to work its way slowly backward to figure it out. As we get better at understanding the fundamental forces in the world it is likely we will find new answers. Heck it could include god but it can't until there is observable evidence, until then he doesn't need to be in the current models.

One possible theory about the big bang is that the universe has always existed, and has been contracting to a single, infinitesimally small point, then expanding, the contracting again.

But why did it stop, then? Why are no more planets being created near us or in our range of vision.

 

[Sporge27]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepscientifically that an explosion can create life and matter out of nothing.

No it doesn't entirely. All we have right now is that it was most likely random luck.

But science is trying to work its way slowly backward to figure it out. As we get better at understanding the fundamental forces in the world it is likely we will find new answers. Heck it could include god but it can't until there is observable evidence, until then he doesn't need to be in the current models.

One possible theory about the big bang is that the universe has always existed, and has been contracting to a single, infinitesimally small point, then expanding, the contracting again.

But why did it stop, then? Why are no more planets being created near us or in our range of vision.

wait? Watching a planet form is like watching the grass grow only a lot slower. Technically I think the asteroid belt could form into something in our system.

Generally new stars and planets do form, it is just on the billions year scale... in our lifetimes we hardly see change unless we are lucky enough to see a super nova, or a few other defining moments for a star.

 

[Bacon Boy]

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One possible theory about the big bang is that the universe has always existed, and has been contracting to a single, infinitesimally small point, then expanding, the contracting again.

But why did it stop, then? Why are no more planets being created near us or in our range of vision.

wait? Watching a planet form is like watching the grass grow only a lot slower. Technically I think the asteroid belt could form into something in our system.

Generally new stars and planets do form, it is just on the billions year scale... in our lifetimes we hardly see change unless we are lucky enough to see a super nova, or a few other defining moments for a star.

But what starts the growth of a planet?

 

[Sporge27]

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But why did it stop, then? Why are no more planets being created near us or in our range of vision.

wait? Watching a planet form is like watching the grass grow only a lot slower. Technically I think the asteroid belt could form into something in our system.

Generally new stars and planets do form, it is just on the billions year scale... in our lifetimes we hardly see change unless we are lucky enough to see a super nova, or a few other defining moments for a star.

But what starts the growth of a planet?

The spiral disk of matter around a star? Gravity?

 

[Bacon Boy]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepscientifically

wait? Watching a planet form is like watching the grass grow only a lot slower. Technically I think the asteroid belt could form into something in our system.

Generally new stars and planets do form, it is just on the billions year scale... in our lifetimes we hardly see change unless we are lucky enough to see a super nova, or a few other defining moments for a star.

But what starts the growth of a planet?

The spiral disk of matter around a star? Gravity?

But what stops it?