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[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:49:48 PM]
Rocketman said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:36:54 PM]
Bacon Boy said:
I'm not even gonna read the last three pages because of the crap I saw on pages one and two.

Anyways, I honestly wouldn't know what to do. No where in the Bible does it say anything about aliens being the unchosen people of God or address aliens at all. The principal of the Bible, however, is that it is for everyone. If we did encounter aliens, it would be for them to. Although the Bible does not talk about them, that does not necessarily mean they do not exist. For example, in the book of Corinthians, although it is written for the Corinthians, it applies to the everyday living of other people (and aliens, if there were such a thing). I know I seem to be avoiding the main topic, but bear with me here, I'm just trying to cover all of my bases.
Since the Bible would be for everyone, it would be for the aliens as well. However, they would not go to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocence. As is the case with the sick of mind (the ones that cannot comprehend anything) and in this case, aliens.
However, you also have to take into account what the aliens would be like. If they were like an animal (having no real reason), then they would not have a religion, for their life would just be based off of a simple animal instinct. Although, if they were a civilized situation, then it would be a completely different story.
They would not necessarily be all that different from Indian cultures, or the African cultures that cannot connect to an area with such a faith.
This is seriously racking my mind right now. I'm trying to wrap my mind around certain variables and trying to make this seem as logical and make as much sense as I can from a Christian standpoint.
tl;dr

Maybe the aliens are ruled under different gods than our gods?

Okay, I read some of it. And there was one particular section that offended me a little.
Since the Bible would be for everyone, it would be for the aliens as well. However, they would not go to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocence.

So, you're saying that if you're not a Christian or any similar religions you go to hell?
The same thing could be said in other religions, too, just replacing it with other religions. You're acting like it's superior to other religions and that it's a confirmed fact. Now, it's just a theory that could be true, but could be not true.

But I do know one thing: if a religion from an alien planet (planets to be sure) matches one of Earth's religions, then that religion is the true religion.

Oh, and inb4majorflamewar
Christianity is superior, if you are of that faith like I am. It's that way with any belief, like you said, just change the words.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ervin-laszlo/why-the-religious-fearand_b_710128.html
Like I said earlier, I'm of the Nookism faith, my own religion, which combines all the major religions of the world, and some ancient ones, which results in over 3,000 (no, not meme related) gods, goddesses, and other godly beings.

You believe Christianity is superior, I believe Nookism is superior.
All goes well.
When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.
 
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:49:48 PM]
Rocketman said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:36:54 PM]
Bacon Boy said:
I'm not even gonna read the last three pages because of the crap I saw on pages one and two.

Anyways, I honestly wouldn't know what to do. No where in the Bible does it say anything about aliens being the unchosen people of God or address aliens at all. The principal of the Bible, however, is that it is for everyone. If we did encounter aliens, it would be for them to. Although the Bible does not talk about them, that does not necessarily mean they do not exist. For example, in the book of Corinthians, although it is written for the Corinthians, it applies to the everyday living of other people (and aliens, if there were such a thing). I know I seem to be avoiding the main topic, but bear with me here, I'm just trying to cover all of my bases.
Since the Bible would be for everyone, it would be for the aliens as well. However, they would not go to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocence. As is the case with the sick of mind (the ones that cannot comprehend anything) and in this case, aliens.
However, you also have to take into account what the aliens would be like. If they were like an animal (having no real reason), then they would not have a religion, for their life would just be based off of a simple animal instinct. Although, if they were a civilized situation, then it would be a completely different story.
They would not necessarily be all that different from Indian cultures, or the African cultures that cannot connect to an area with such a faith.
This is seriously racking my mind right now. I'm trying to wrap my mind around certain variables and trying to make this seem as logical and make as much sense as I can from a Christian standpoint.
tl;dr

Maybe the aliens are ruled under different gods than our gods?

Okay, I read some of it. And there was one particular section that offended me a little.
Since the Bible would be for everyone, it would be for the aliens as well. However, they would not go to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocence.

So, you're saying that if you're not a Christian or any similar religions you go to hell?
The same thing could be said in other religions, too, just replacing it with other religions. You're acting like it's superior to other religions and that it's a confirmed fact. Now, it's just a theory that could be true, but could be not true.

But I do know one thing: if a religion from an alien planet (planets to be sure) matches one of Earth's religions, then that religion is the true religion.

Oh, and inb4majorflamewar
Christianity is superior, if you are of that faith like I am. It's that way with any belief, like you said, just change the words.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ervin-laszlo/why-the-religious-fearand_b_710128.html
Like I said earlier, I'm of the Nookism faith, my own religion, which combines all the major religions of the world, and some ancient ones, which results in over 3,000 (no, not meme related) gods, goddesses, and other godly beings.

You believe Christianity is superior, I believe Nookism is superior.
All goes well.
Also, I thought you were atheist.
Define this "Nookism" more. It sounds a bit impossible to me. If you combine all religions, then they would cancel each other out. You can't believe in all religions that state that there is only one true religion.
 
But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?
 
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:49:48 PM]
Rocketman said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:36:54 PM]
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepgo to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocences to be sure) matches one of Earth's religions, then that religion is the true religion.

Oh, and inb4majorflamewar
Christianity is superior, if you are of that faith like I am. It's that way with any belief, like you said, just change the words.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ervin-laszlo/why-the-religious-fearand_b_710128.html
Like I said earlier, I'm of the Nookism faith, my own religion, which combines all the major religions of the world, and some ancient ones, which results in over 3,000 (no, not meme related) gods, goddesses, and other godly beings.

You believe Christianity is superior, I believe Nookism is superior.
All goes well.
Also, I thought you were atheist.
Define this "Nookism" more. It sounds a bit impossible to me. If you combine all religions, then they would cancel each other out. You can't believe in all religions that state that there is only one true religion.
Then if that happens, I either replace certain beliefs with my own or another religion's, and sometimes, I even take out some of the beliefs to make it make more sense.
 
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:56:19 PM]
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:49:48 PM]
Rocketman said:
Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[Nook],Oct 2 2010, 04:36:54 PM]
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepgo to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocenceshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ervin-laszlo/why-the-religious-fearand_b_710128.html
Like I said earlier, I'm of the Nookism faith, my own religion, which combines all the major religions of the world, and some ancient ones, which results in over 3,000 (no, not meme related) gods, goddesses, and other godly beings.

You believe Christianity is superior, I believe Nookism is superior.
All goes well.
Also, I thought you were atheist.
Define this "Nookism" more. It sounds a bit impossible to me. If you combine all religions, then they would cancel each other out. You can't believe in all religions that state that there is only one true religion.
Then if that happens, I either replace certain beliefs with my own or another religion's, and sometimes, I even take out some of the beliefs to make it make more sense.
IMO, that's still flawed logic. That's like changing rules to fit your personal preference.
 
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:56:19 PM]
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 04:49:48 PM]
Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[Nook],Oct 2 2010, 04:36:54 PM]
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepgo to hell. If it was a civilization without any way to know about God or heaven or hell, then they would be considered to be having the heart and mind of a child (depending on how they live their lives, however). A baby cannot comprehend most things, including a faith, so in turn, it would have no way to know about the Christian faith, so if it would die, it would be spared on account of its innocenceshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ervin-laszlo/why-the-religious-fearand_b_710128.html
Also, I thought you were atheist.
Define this "Nookism" more. It sounds a bit impossible to me. If you combine all religions, then they would cancel each other out. You can't believe in all religions that state that there is only one true religion.
Then if that happens, I either replace certain beliefs with my own or another religion's, and sometimes, I even take out some of the beliefs to make it make more sense.
IMO, that's still flawed logic. That's like changing rules to fit your personal preference.
Enough about Nookism.

Bacon, I've got some questions unanswered for you above, and maybe a page back.

I don't know why I'm suddenly demanding logical answers, when clearly, everything can't be answered; only God knows everything.

I just feel...like there's a block of uncertainty there.

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?
 
Put your questions in one post, por favor, and I'll tackle them. I don't know which were referred to me or not.
 
But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.


When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.


But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?

If anyone can develop a connection with their God, beliefs, and even feel guilty if they're told something is wrong, then is it really a connection, or is it just an emotional thing? Like Christianity, you know Jesus personally. But in Nookism, you know Nooky God personally. (hypothetically, just for example; I don't know your beliefs, Nook)

I'm just saying. I don't know.
 
There could be a whole religion that is true and we don't know.

It's impossible to say and find an exact truth without dying.

Maybe our energy never passes on and instead become part of the environment.

THEN WE ARE THE EARTH.
 
Rocketman said:
But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.


When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.


But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?

If anyone can develop a connection with their God, beliefs, and even feel guilty if they're told something is wrong, then is it really a connection, or is it just an emotional thing? Like Christianity, you know Jesus personally. But in Nookism, you know Nooky God personally. (hypothetically, just for example; I don't know your beliefs, Nook)

I'm just saying. I don't know.
It depends on what they believe. If you're a Christian (:O How dare he speak about his religion in a thread about religion!) and you believe that Christianity is the only true faith, and they did not believe in it, they would be wrong.

The next two are personal. It's a matter of do you believe in your faith? Do you whole-heartedly, completely, believe in it?

~

Ghosts: A universally understood fact about ghosts is that they are undead and unsettled souls, wandering around in the physical [plane]. I assume you're a Christian based on what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong. My consideration of ghosts are demons being themselves (deceitful and distracting). You see, when you begin to put your time and mind into the occult such as ghosts, you lose sight of God. Possessions, like in the Exorcist movie, are evil spirits, or demons, inhabiting people that are either willing, or in such a state that they unconsciously allow demons to inhabit them. Much like the noise in TWEWY.

~

Creation: Even scientists have proved the Bible to date back to the AD period, before we had many of the scientists that could see into space or theorize certain theories. The universe could not have just have existed forever without some sort of creator. IN more modern, easier to understand terms, think of it like a building. A building does not just randomly appear, it has to have someone build it, and mold it, and create it. Yes, the universe is incomprehensible, but so is the idea of a divine creator. It takes more faith to believe in the "big-bang theory" or evolution than it does Christianity or any other religion. A random explosion in the universe creating the perfect and ideal living conditions for organisms as well as putting organisms on that planet as well? There is no science or reason or logic to that, even though the pursuers of that theory say so. I am not saying there is a science to Christianity, for it is more of a spiritual matter, not a physical matter. You can't create something perfect (the earth) by chance.

~

Connection: It depends. I have had several instances in which I have survived through miracles or even some divine intervention. How can you go though some of the things I've been through and not believe in God or a god. (Thinking to myself. I'm not going to state everything in a post). It is like having a personal connection with a parental figure, just on a more intimate and spiritual level. It is be both, however. You feel some of the connection in your emotions, but also through your mind and heart.

I'm running out of steam. :|
 
You know what, non-argument threads with long posts aren't as amusing as argument threads with long posts.
 
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 05:40:11 PM]You know what, non-argument threads with long posts aren't as amusing as argument threads with long posts.
This isn't supposed to be an argument thread, nor is it supposed to be amusing.
 
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 05:40:11 PM]You know what, non-argument threads with long posts aren't as amusing as argument threads with long posts.
This isn't supposed to be an argument thread, nor is it supposed to be amusing.
Most threads with amusing arguments aren't supposed to be an argument thread or be amusing.
 
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 05:44:22 PM]
Bacon Boy said:
[Nook said:
,Oct 2 2010, 05:40:11 PM]You know what, non-argument threads with long posts aren't as amusing as argument threads with long posts.
This isn't supposed to be an argument thread, nor is it supposed to be amusing.
Most threads with amusing arguments aren't supposed to be an argument thread or be amusing.
Well, for once, there are no people busting in and spamming the place calling everyone idiots trying to evoke an emotional response like the usual one-post trolls or others.
 
Bacon Boy said:
Rocketman said:
But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.


When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.


But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?

If anyone can develop a connection with their God, beliefs, and even feel guilty if they're told something is wrong, then is it really a connection, or is it just an emotional thing? Like Christianity, you know Jesus personally. But in Nookism, you know Nooky God personally. (hypothetically, just for example; I don't know your beliefs, Nook)

I'm just saying. I don't know.
It depends on what they believe. If you're a Christian (:O How dare he speak about his religion in a thread about religion!) and you believe that Christianity is the only true faith, and they did not believe in it, they would be wrong.

The next two are personal. It's a matter of do you believe in your faith? Do you whole-heartedly, completely, believe in it?

~

Ghosts: A universally understood fact about ghosts is that they are undead and unsettled souls, wandering around in the physical [plane]. I assume you're a Christian based on what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong. My consideration of ghosts are demons being themselves (deceitful and distracting). You see, when you begin to put your time and mind into the occult such as ghosts, you lose sight of God. Possessions, like in the Exorcist movie, are evil spirits, or demons, inhabiting people that are either willing, or in such a state that they unconsciously allow demons to inhabit them. Much like the noise in TWEWY.

~

Creation: Even scientists have proved the Bible to date back to the AD period, before we had many of the scientists that could see into space or theorize certain theories. The universe could not have just have existed forever without some sort of creator. IN more modern, easier to understand terms, think of it like a building. A building does not just randomly appear, it has to have someone build it, and mold it, and create it. Yes, the universe is incomprehensible, but so is the idea of a divine creator. It takes more faith to believe in the "big-bang theory" or evolution than it does Christianity or any other religion. A random explosion in the universe creating the perfect and ideal living conditions for organisms as well as putting organisms on that planet as well? There is no science or reason or logic to that, even though the pursuers of that theory say so. I am not saying there is a science to Christianity, for it is more of a spiritual matter, not a physical matter. You can't create something perfect (the earth) by chance.

~

Connection: It depends. I have had several instances in which I have survived through miracles or even some divine intervention. How can you go though some of the things I've been through and not believe in God or a god. (Thinking to myself. I'm not going to state everything in a post). It is like having a personal connection with a parental figure, just on a more intimate and spiritual level. It is be both, however. You feel some of the connection in your emotions, but also through your mind and heart.

I'm running out of steam. :|
I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.
 
Rocketman said:
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Bacon Boy said:
Rocketman said:
But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.


When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.


But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?

If anyone can develop a connection with their God, beliefs, and even feel guilty if they're told something is wrong, then is it really a connection, or is it just an emotional thing? Like Christianity, you know Jesus personally. But in Nookism, you know Nooky God personally. (hypothetically, just for example; I don't know your beliefs, Nook)

I'm just saying. I don't know.
It depends on what they believe. If you're a Christian (:O How dare he speak about his religion in a thread about religion!) and you believe that Christianity is the only true faith, and they did not believe in it, they would be wrong.

The next two are personal. It's a matter of do you believe in your faith? Do you whole-heartedly, completely, believe in it?

~

Ghosts: A universally understood fact about ghosts is that they are undead and unsettled souls, wandering around in the physical [plane]. I assume you're a Christian based on what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong. My consideration of ghosts are demons being themselves (deceitful and distracting). You see, when you begin to put your time and mind into the occult such as ghosts, you lose sight of God. Possessions, like in the Exorcist movie, are evil spirits, or demons, inhabiting people that are either willing, or in such a state that they unconsciously allow demons to inhabit them. Much like the noise in TWEWY.

~

Creation: Even scientists have proved the Bible to date back to the AD period, before we had many of the scientists that could see into space or theorize certain theories. The universe could not have just have existed forever without some sort of creator. IN more modern, easier to understand terms, think of it like a building. A building does not just randomly appear, it has to have someone build it, and mold it, and create it. Yes, the universe is incomprehensible, but so is the idea of a divine creator. It takes more faith to believe in the "big-bang theory" or evolution than it does Christianity or any other religion. A random explosion in the universe creating the perfect and ideal living conditions for organisms as well as putting organisms on that planet as well? There is no science or reason or logic to that, even though the pursuers of that theory say so. I am not saying there is a science to Christianity, for it is more of a spiritual matter, not a physical matter. You can't create something perfect (the earth) by chance.

~

Connection: It depends. I have had several instances in which I have survived through miracles or even some divine intervention. How can you go though some of the things I've been through and not believe in God or a god. (Thinking to myself. I'm not going to state everything in a post). It is like having a personal connection with a parental figure, just on a more intimate and spiritual level. It is be both, however. You feel some of the connection in your emotions, but also through your mind and heart.

I'm running out of steam. :|
</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.
The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.
 
Bacon Boy said:
Rocketman said:
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Bacon Boy said:
Rocketman said:
But I'm saying, if the world expands beyond what we've always known (our precious planet Earth), then who in the universe would be right? Would the civilization two trillion light years away be right? Would that civilization in two galaxies over be right?

Or are we just completely correct, under our faith? Would the other civilizations believe the same as well? They'd think they are completely correct, as are we.


When there are so many things to believe in and put your faith in, which one is the ultimate choice? How can we surely know? Someone of your faith would tell you: just have faith and put your faith fully in God.

But...like I said, they'd say that in any religion. And your right side of the brain would agree with that. Is there really a spiritual connection? Or is it just our emotional brain that can alter to follow anything?

This is really, really bothering me.


But how would you explain ghosts then? There are so many reported sitings, and I for one believe in spirits. Not just ghosts: but possessions and all that. We've all heard of them. Movies, news reports, everything.

Ghosts are supernatural. Aliens are very much logical and scientific, by today's standards. There must surely be a spiritual world then, if there exist ghosts. Or are ghosts merely energies leftover by our humanly existences? Are they our true souls, which, in religion, are defined as beings that go to heaven?

People say there has to be a divine creator, surely, since our world is so perfect and amazing. But is it just that we have a mind that is incomprehensible to the whole amazement of the universe, that we think that what we've got here is just mind-blowing?

If anyone can develop a connection with their God, beliefs, and even feel guilty if they're told something is wrong, then is it really a connection, or is it just an emotional thing? Like Christianity, you know Jesus personally. But in Nookism, you know Nooky God personally. (hypothetically, just for example; I don't know your beliefs, Nook)

I'm just saying. I don't know.
It depends on what they believe. If you're a Christian (:O How dare he speak about his religion in a thread about religion!) and you believe that Christianity is the only true faith, and they did not believe in it, they would be wrong.

The next two are personal. It's a matter of do you believe in your faith? Do you whole-heartedly, completely, believe in it?

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Ghosts: A universally understood fact about ghosts is that they are undead and unsettled souls, wandering around in the physical [plane]. I assume you're a Christian based on what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong. My consideration of ghosts are demons being themselves (deceitful and distracting). You see, when you begin to put your time and mind into the occult such as ghosts, you lose sight of God. Possessions, like in the Exorcist movie, are evil spirits, or demons, inhabiting people that are either willing, or in such a state that they unconsciously allow demons to inhabit them. Much like the noise in TWEWY.

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Creation: Even scientists have proved the Bible to date back to the AD period, before we had many of the scientists that could see into space or theorize certain theories. The universe could not have just have existed forever without some sort of creator. IN more modern, easier to understand terms, think of it like a building. A building does not just randomly appear, it has to have someone build it, and mold it, and create it. Yes, the universe is incomprehensible, but so is the idea of a divine creator. It takes more faith to believe in the "big-bang theory" or evolution than it does Christianity or any other religion. A random explosion in the universe creating the perfect and ideal living conditions for organisms as well as putting organisms on that planet as well? There is no science or reason or logic to that, even though the pursuers of that theory say so. I am not saying there is a science to Christianity, for it is more of a spiritual matter, not a physical matter. You can't create something perfect (the earth) by chance.

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Connection: It depends. I have had several instances in which I have survived through miracles or even some divine intervention. How can you go though some of the things I've been through and not believe in God or a god. (Thinking to myself. I'm not going to state everything in a post). It is like having a personal connection with a parental figure, just on a more intimate and spiritual level. It is be both, however. You feel some of the connection in your emotions, but also through your mind and heart.

I'm running out of steam. :|
</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.
The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.
But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.
 
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[plane]. I assume you're a Christian based on what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong. My consideration of ghosts are demons being themselves (deceitful and distracting). You see, when you begin to put your time and mind into the occult such as ghosts, you lose sight of God. Possessions, like in the Exorcist movie, are evil spirits, or demons, inhabiting people that are either willing, or in such a state that they unconsciously allow demons to inhabit them. Much like the noise in TWEWY.

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Creation: Even scientists have proved the Bible to date back to the AD period, before we had many of the scientists that could see into space or theorize certain theories. The universe could not have just have existed forever without some sort of creator. IN more modern, easier to understand terms, think of it like a building. A building does not just randomly appear, it has to have someone build it, and mold it, and create it. Yes, the universe is incomprehensible, but so is the idea of a divine creator. It takes more faith to believe in the "big-bang theory" or evolution than it does Christianity or any other religion. A random explosion in the universe creating the perfect and ideal living conditions for organisms as well as putting organisms on that planet as well? There is no science or reason or logic to that, even though the pursuers of that theory say so. I am not saying there is a science to Christianity, for it is more of a spiritual matter, not a physical matter. You can't create something perfect (the earth) by chance.

~

Connection: It depends. I have had several instances in which I have survived through miracles or even some divine intervention. How can you go though some of the things I've been through and not believe in God or a god. (Thinking to myself. I'm not going to state everything in a post). It is like having a personal connection with a parental figure, just on a more intimate and spiritual level. It is be both, however. You feel some of the connection in your emotions, but also through your mind and heart.

I'm running out of steam. :|
</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.
The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.
But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.
But the chances are of that happening are inconceivable.
>that it would be the PERFECT distance from the son
>that it would develop its own axis
>it would be able to sustain life
>it would develop life
>it would create chemicals and elements
>it would perfectly form the water and air
>it would create the ideal atmosphere required for life

The list can go on. Scientifically, that would never happen randomly.
 
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep</div>I'm saying, do we just think the earth is perfect and amazing, because our minds are just that small and unable to comprehend anything greater?


I'm just thinking way too much about it. I hate it.
The earth, theoretically, is perfect in design. Its position from the sun, its living conditions, its orbit, etc. There is no other planet exactly like it. Our minds are finite. We cannot comprehend things that are outside of the finite and physical universe. It may play a small factor in how we view the earth, but not that great of a factor.
But the universe is SO huge, chances are if the "big bang" did happen randomly, there would be a planet in exact perfect condition for life. Not being anti-religious or anything, just saying that since the universe is so big, nothing is certain.
But the chances are of that happening are inconceivable.
>that it would be the PERFECT distance from the son
>that it would develop its own axis
>it would be able to sustain life
>it would develop life
>it would create chemicals and elements
>it would perfectly form the water and air
>it would create the ideal atmosphere required for life

The list can go on. Scientifically, that would never happen randomly.
Our Galaxy has billions of stars, if not trillions. There are in turn billions of galaxies beyond ours.

Though the odds of the exact conditions for life as we know it are hard to come by they are not impossible and there are a ton of possible places in this universe. At a casino you most likely won't win big. But someone does. Someone always does. I am almost certain that some other planet in this galaxy has also won.

There is also the possibility for life as we don't know it. Non-carbon based life is a possibility after all.

Besides this, the things you listed don't have to be perfect, life has found ways to survive in some pretty extreme climates. Like penguins, or some microorganisms, that have adapted to extreme hot temperatures.

Moreover we are just starting to detect planets in other star systems. We are bound to find some Earth like ones. Exactly like Earth no, but we might find close.

Scientifically and statistically speaking, odds are that other worlds formed similarly to ours.
 
What if the aliens found out about god to. i mean God created life so if there is other thing in the world he would of made them.
 
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