Ferguson: Your Thoughts.

[SuperVandal]

But does the theft of convenience store cigars really justify his death, though?

Apparently he "had it coming", which is logic I just do not understand. Death isn't something someone deserves. We're talking about human life, and the fact that people can be so dismissive of it shows just how 'cold' we are.

 

[wintersoldier]

Apparently he "had it coming", which is logic I just do not understand. Death isn't something someone deserves. We're talking about human life, and the fact that people can be so dismissive of it shows just how 'cold' we are.

i think this post on tumblr (i'm sorry, it was just worded really powerful for me) best describes what's going on. it's not about whether or not darren wilson murdered mike brown (because he did) it's whether or not mike brown was worthy enough to live. nevermind the fact that he was human... but to some people, he has to have some self-worth to deserve justice. there are people on this thread who have stated that he was dirty or that he didn't even have anything to live for, and that's when i laugh sadly when people say it's not about race.

 

[NewLeaf13]

i think this post on tumblr (i'm sorry, it was just worded really powerful for me) best describes what's going on. it's not about whether or not darren wilson murdered mike brown (because he did) it's whether or not mike brown was worthy enough to live. nevermind the fact that he was human... but to some people, he has to have some self-worth to deserve justice. there are people on this thread who have stated that he was dirty or that he didn't even have anything to live for, and that's when i laugh sadly when people say it's not about race.

But... it really isn't about race. Race doesn't have or should be a part of this. I realize that people are upset, and I know the black community had a hard time getting freedom, but it doesn't make it ok to riot. You don't see people getting mad because a Hispanic person killed an African-American person. Race has nothing to do about this. The officer was defending himself, and, in my opinion, kinda had the right to. Michael Brown probably shouldn't have got shot, but the officer was defending himself. It's a sad event, but it doesn't need rioting. MLK Jr. got African-American people freedom, and not one fire was set and not one shot was fired. It doesn't need to be violent.

 

[Caius]

But... it really isn't about race. Race doesn't have or should be a part of this. I realize that people are upset, and I know the black community had a hard time getting freedom, but it doesn't make it ok to riot. You don't see people getting mad because a Hispanic person killed an African-American person. Race has nothing to do about this. The officer was defending himself, and, in my opinion, kinda had the right to. Michael Brown probably shouldn't have got shot, but the officer was defending himself. It's a sad event, but it doesn't need rioting. MLK Jr. got African-American people freedom, and not one fire was set and not one shot was fired. It doesn't need to be violent.

Except MLK died from being shot.

 

[NewLeaf13]

Except MLK died from being shot.

You are correct about that.

But, hopefully I'm not a hypocrite, but it was someone who was against what he was doing, but it wasn't directly related to it.

 

[Caius]

You are correct about that.

But, hopefully I'm not a hypocrite, but it was someone who was against what he was doing, but it wasn't directly related to it.

Well, then there's this which followed that.

And then there was this riot in Detroit a full year before MLK was assassinated.

As far as people getting angry over a Hispanic person killing an African American, I'll direct you to this and this. The backlash wasn't as bad as Ferguson but after Martin there were quite a few people ready to start a riot in Apopka.

 

[hulaburger]

i think this post on tumblr (i'm sorry, it was just worded really powerful for me) best describes what's going on. it's not about whether or not darren wilson murdered mike brown (because he did) it's whether or not mike brown was worthy enough to live. nevermind the fact that he was human... but to some people, he has to have some self-worth to deserve justice. there are people on this thread who have stated that he was dirty or that he didn't even have anything to live for, and that's when i laugh sadly when people say it's not about race.

I get what they're saying but I kind of disagree. Self-defense is what the issue is, not whether he is worthy to live. I think that's a misleading way of putting it. It's not about whether he was a nice guy or not. any time you kill someone, whether they break into your home or try to rape you or fight you or whatever the case may be, you have to prove to the court that you did not use excessive force & that you were in genuine danger.
and this whole thread is tl;dr but if people said he was dirty and had no reason to live, that's ****ed up. I think this situation is sad all around. it's just sad. we lost a life and his family is grieving him. no momma wants to lose their baby.

 

[Caius]

I get what they're saying but I kind of disagree. Self-defense is what the issue is, not whether he is worthy to live. I think that's a misleading way of putting it. It's not about whether he was a nice guy or not. any time you kill someone, whether they break into your home or try to rape you or fight you or whatever the case may be, you have to prove to the court that you did not use excessive force & that you were in genuine danger.
and this whole thread is tl;dr but if people said he was dirty and had no reason to live, that's ****ed up. I think this situation is sad all around. it's just sad. we lost a life and his family is grieving him. no momma wants to lose their baby.

Even though we have a censor please watch your language.

 

[LaceGloves]

But... it really isn't about race. Race doesn't have or should be a part of this. I realize that people are upset, and I know the black community had a hard time getting freedom, but it doesn't make it ok to riot. You don't see people getting mad because a Hispanic person killed an African-American person. Race has nothing to do about this. The officer was defending himself, and, in my opinion, kinda had the right to. Michael Brown probably shouldn't have got shot, but the officer was defending himself. It's a sad event, but it doesn't need rioting. MLK Jr. got African-American people freedom, and not one fire was set and not one shot was fired. It doesn't need to be violent.

I don't think that you get how often this happens. People are racially profiled and killed by police all the time. That is why people are rioting. Because although this happens so often, no one is ever prosecuted. It is about race.

There was a lot of rioting and looting in MLK's movement. The police were violent and hostile during that time as well. No one talks about that though, because it's all about what he helped change.

 

[SuperVandal]

But... it really isn't about race.

If this wasn't about race, we wouldn't be arguing about it nearly 4 months after the events happened. If it wasn't about race regarding Martin, we wouldn't be arguing about it more than a year later. Accept that yes, race is an important issue at hand in these events. You may not agree with what is being presented against you, but acknowledge what needs to be acknowledged and stop trying to dissuade the issues people have with society and the responses that have been received in response to topics such as these.

 

[-Apples-]

I decided to remove all the people I blocked last weekend from my ignore list. I can now see your posts. However, it still bothers me that some of you have pointed at me in a negative light for believing that Martin and Brown are punks and that you kept harassing me for sources. I'm not going to post any source. I'm not going to change my opinions on what I think about the situation. Arguing in a political debate is one thing, but pointing at your opponents in a negative light like what some of you have done is very bothersome. I may have been rude on two different incidents on this site that got others mad at me, but I didn't do anything wrong on this thread either. So if you stop putting me in a negative light for having a different opinion, then I can get along with you.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Darren Wilson shot an unarmed teenager 7 times. The boy had his hands above his head, and he died 158 feet away from the police vehicle. It is also stated that Darren Wilson did not know the boy robbed the store. In fact, the man that was working at the store at the time didn't even call the police. (There is video evidence of the teen paying for his cigarettes as well) It is understood that Michael Brown was a big guy and could probably punch the crap out of this police officer, but that is not the case either. Just look at the pictures of Darren Wilson's "injuries". It's like nothing is there! If the gun was necessary, it should have been used to APPREHEND this boy, not kill him. Petty theft is not punishable by death.
That should state enough.

I am very passionate about this subject, because my stepfather's best friend was shot and killed by an officer with no reason whatsoever. It changed his life forever. This is the stuff that happens every day, and I believe that as a community, we have no choice but to act out at this point. This issue has been a silent killer of minorities for so long, and I am tired of it being swept under the rug.

Darren Wilson didn't even get indicted, people!

SOURCES PLEASE SOURCES COULD I GET YOUR SOURCES

 

[Zanessa]

However, it still bothers me that some of you have pointed at me in a negative light for believing that Martin and Brown are punks and that you kept harassing me for sources. I'm not going to post any source.

If you're not going to add your sources, then you shouldn't really be debating.. that's a big thing in debates like this. :/

 

[-Apples-]

If you're not going to add your sources, then you shouldn't really be debating.. that's a big thing in debates like this. :/

Yeah, but the way you said it before sounded like you acted like a mod. Now you're not. Someone on LBPC got mad at me for acting like a mod when I'm not a mod at all. Judging by my experience here, now I can see how he feels. Thank you for not sounding like a mod this time.

 

[Zanessa]

Yeah, but the way you said it before sounded like you acted like a mod. Now you're not. Someone on LBPC got mad at me for acting like a mod when I'm not a mod at all. Judging by my experience here, now I can see how he feels. Thank you for not sounding like a mod this time.

I didn't mean to sound like that, my apologies!

 

[-Apples-]

I didn't mean to sound like that, my apologies!

Apology accepted. It's okay to be helpful (like that last post you made), but not bossy. The reason why I can't name the people that bothered me is because I already got in trouble on LBPC for calling out names and accusing them of various offenses (even if they are true). And if I don't feel comfortable when people point at me in a negative light, then why should I name users and point at them in a negative light? Not only it's hypocritical, but it's breaking the golden rule.

This is my last post about this. If you wanna continue talking about this, feel free to PM or VM me.

 

[M O L K O]

SOURCES PLEASE SOURCES COULD I GET YOUR SOURCES

Sources on mike brown or her situation? I've provided some a few pages back but I can paste them again if you don't feel like going through a mound of pages.

 

[LaceGloves]

SOURCES PLEASE SOURCES COULD I GET YOUR SOURCES

-Robbery

http://theblot.com/update-ferguson-police-chief-lied-michael-brown-surveillance-tape-7725490

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/#

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/lawyer-store-didnt-call-cops-on-ferguson-teen-michael-brown/14138121/

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/ferguson-chief-officer-didnt-know-about-robbery/14124259/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/05/ferguson-chief-lied-about-michael-brown-tape_n_5773420.html?&ir=Politics&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&utm_content=buffer4b04d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

https://38.media.tumblr.com/f469bdc0643b44ad6537f533b25fbfea/tumblr_nact6fW3UR1smgrs7o1_1280.png

-Murder

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322540/-Autopsy-suggests-Mike-Brown-had-his-arms-in-surrender-position-when-Darren-Wilson-killed-him

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWUkBxmFUvU



I couldn't find all of my sources, but this is all of the stuff I found that I had read previously.
PM me if you would like to know anything else?

 

[hulaburger]

Even though we have a censor please watch your language.

why?

- - - Post Merge - - -

-Robbery

http://theblot.com/update-ferguson-police-chief-lied-michael-brown-surveillance-tape-7725490

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/#
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/lawyer-store-didnt-call-cops-on-ferguson-teen-michael-brown/14138121/
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/ferguson-chief-officer-didnt-know-about-robbery/14124259/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/05/ferguson-chief-lied-about-michael-brown-tape_n_5773420.html?&ir=Politics&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&utm_content=buffer4b04d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
https://38.media.tumblr.com/f469bdc0643b44ad6537f533b25fbfea/tumblr_nact6fW3UR1smgrs7o1_1280.png
-Murder
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322540/-Autopsy-suggests-Mike-Brown-had-his-arms-in-surrender-position-when-Darren-Wilson-killed-him
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWUkBxmFUvU
I couldn't find all of my sources, but this is all of the stuff I found that I had read previously.
PM me if you would like to know anything else?

what is your opinion on the evidence that was presented to the court?

 

[LambdaDelta]

because

staff asked you to?


do you seriously need another reason?