hydrophonic
Senior Member
stop taking it to the extreme, ''cultural appropriation'' isn't the cause why the minorities are discriminated, and it doesn't even contribute to the problem.
Your thoughts on social justice and other American cultural issues?
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stop taking it to the extreme, ''cultural appropriation'' isn't the cause why the minorities are discriminated, and it doesn't even contribute to the problem.
I'm not taking it to the extreme. Sure it isn't the cause of it but it directly contributes to their discrimination. I think someone who's experienced these things first hand has a better understanding of the concept than someone who hasn't, yet you seem to refuse to even consider the other side.
My thoughts on the subject are this:
In general, I think the social justice movement is great. I don't see why anyone would dislike a movement that tries to make everyone equal and treat each other better.
But, there are some people who take it to the extreme, to the point where it isn't equal anymore, where it's more about "mememe" and less about "us us us". Those people I just can't see eye to eye with, and try to ignore.
In general, I think the social justice movement is great. I don't see why anyone would dislike a movement that tries to make everyone equal and treat each other better.
But, there are some people who take it to the extreme, to the point where it isn't equal anymore, where it's more about "mememe" and less about "us us us". Those people I just can't see eye to eye with, and try to ignore.
hydrophonic
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I think i'm not getting the example because we're seeing as a different thing. I wouldn't care if that person took my painting, reprinted, sold t-shirts, cleaned the floor with reprints of my painting (or whatever that person could do with it), because it would still have a lot of importance for me, and what others opinionate or do with it doesn't affect my feelings towards it. The reason i think your example isn't working to ''show'' me your point is because as it's something private and with a concrete owner, the object belongs in its entirety to me, and i decide if i let you take it or not, while a culture hasn't got a concrete owner, it has no owner and no one decides if it can be taken or not.
I'm not going to say it's anywhere near the same thing, but there's a significant enough number of 'metalheads' that have been beaten/killed/etc just for being a metalhead.
As a personal example, my friend got straight up beaten in the streets for it. He now has false teeth at the age of 26.
A few weeks ago a group of arseholes went into a bar I go to (a metal bar) just to cause hassle. Some guy left in an ambulance because he got massacred with a bottle, apparently just because he likes metal (I wasn't there at the time, though I was around to see the aftermath).
Last year some guy got beat in the streets. Aside from the beating, they broke his legs and dragged him into the middle of the road before leaving him to die (though a car saw him laying there and phoned an ambulance). I think it's obvious what sub culture he belonged to...
Those are just three examples local to me (and I only included 'serious' cases. There's way more 'less severe' ones), but the most famous one I know of is Sophie Lancaster who got beaten to death because she's was a goth (which is relatively within the same 'group' as metalheads) as well as her boyfriend (I believe) suffering major injuries because of what they wore/listen to.
Like I said, I'm not saying it's the same thing as it happening based on race/sexuality/etc, but it sure as hell does happen. It's not like you're getting people going to clubs with machine guns and mowing them down, but they're still targeted more often and usually more violently than most other 'groups' based simply on what form of entertainment they enjoy (OBVIOUSLY I'm not saying they're targeted more than gay people).
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That Zephyr Guy
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While we're on the topic, something that I've noticed recently that has been bugging the hell out of my for a couple of months is this:
I understanding seeing SJWs as very radical and ridiculous people. I do. I understand it because the radicalism has it's roots in people pretending to be that extreme. People still do it a LOT.
But treating any sort of leftism as complete radicalism, and using any sort of upset somebody might be feeling as a way to make a "triggered!!!" joke is legitimately setting us more and more back progressively.
I get this is a small thing to feel annoyed about, but I noticed how bad it got when not a day after the Orlando shooting I overheard my brother using the tragedy to make a cheap triggered joke. When I heard that, it honestly took me all of my willpower not to walk into the room and deck him.
I understanding seeing SJWs as very radical and ridiculous people. I do. I understand it because the radicalism has it's roots in people pretending to be that extreme. People still do it a LOT.
But treating any sort of leftism as complete radicalism, and using any sort of upset somebody might be feeling as a way to make a "triggered!!!" joke is legitimately setting us more and more back progressively.
I get this is a small thing to feel annoyed about, but I noticed how bad it got when not a day after the Orlando shooting I overheard my brother using the tragedy to make a cheap triggered joke. When I heard that, it honestly took me all of my willpower not to walk into the room and deck him.
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Sophie was a good example, I can't comment on anything else 'cause obviously I wasn't there and I don't know the details.
However that still doesn't mean metalheads/goths/punks/any music of fashion subculture are oppressed groups.
hydrophonic
Senior Member
I don't see it that way, and i already wrote about what causes discrimination two or three posts before this. If you really want to make a point, don't use an argument from authority, and it's not an attack, i'm just saying. Did you consider the side i'm defending? I don't know why you're assuming things, if i'm discussing something and i think my view is right is because i've thought about it, read about it and think what i'm deffending is the correct option.
Triggered jokes are such low blows I can't explain how much I hate them, it's just so disgusting to joke about peoples' trauma in general like ugh
Yea, they were more personal/local to my area. I think only the third example even got any media coverage, and even then it was only 'local news', and that's probably because what they did was excessively disgusting (it's bad enough anyway, but dragging him into the road afterwards? What the hell!?)
I still wouldn't call them 'oppressed groups' either, I was just pointing out examples since you said they don't get killed just for being metal/goth/punk/whatever when it happens more often than you would expect, it just doesn't really get reported, or it's mostly only reported on by 'subculture related' news sources.
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Twisterheart
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I don't think anyone should be walking around spewing hurtful things, but at the same time I believe some people take things a little too far in trying to make sure no one is offended. People will try to make things that aren't even offensive into a big deal. This goes for the other side too. There are people who are so fed up with being PC that they say whatever they want, trying to be offensive and hurtful. So I believe there are problems with both sides that need to be worked on.
I'd recommend to the OP that you get off the internet, go out into the world and actually meet people that are from more historically disadvantaged groups than you. It really only takes a minimal amount of life experience to realize that all of us have an obligation to rally behind people who have gotten **** on all of their life just because of the circumstances of their birth.
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I just want to know what gender neutral pronouns you would use in a Romance language, like Spanish.
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"its just a word" ???? originally meant someone that couldn't legally own the land?
did you read that off a fox new's article? LMAO if thats a term then how come europeans aren't called them then? they didn't ship over holding legal documents for native americans to sign.
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