I have strong opinions, yes, but if I'm presented with factual evidence that completely disproves what I originally thought (not something subjective that involves someone's opinion) then I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong, and to change my mind. I've changed my mind on a lot of issues. I used to be against the death penalty and very against people having guns (who would have thought?).
Your thoughts on social justice and other American cultural issues?
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I have strong opinions, yes, but if I'm presented with factual evidence that completely disproves what I originally thought (not something subjective that involves someone's opinion) then I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong, and to change my mind. I've changed my mind on a lot of issues. I used to be against the death penalty and very against people having guns (who would have thought?).
"Real Racist"? You can be a real racist without owning slaves and abusing people? Being compared to a racist (?) is not at all comparable to being called the n-word, and the discrimination that goes along with being systematically oppressed (which white people are not).
***** is also a female dog but is censored (it's censored since it's actually used in an offensive way now, and if cracker were used in the same way as b**** it would be censored too), the original/other meaning of a word is irrelevant. Cracker isn't censored because it isn't anywhere near as bad as the n word, and isn't seriously offensive/discriminatory at all.
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Yes, it is more offensive, and I'd get a hell of a lot more backlash if I said the n word vs cracker, but I think that both are equally offensive. The n word compares black people to slaves that had no rights and couldn't own land. Cracker compares white people to racists with next to no morals that abused, raped and enslaved a total of 400,000 black people.
Strawbellies
Hokage
lol im ded this thread killed me ded
Anyway, for the sake of post quality, I disagree with mostly everything you say. However, I don't really feel like arguing about it, or telling you why; I doubt it'd change your mind. If I think it did, well -- Social Justice wouldn't be a thing if forum posts were enough.
Lmao tho im srsly ded.
Kudos to you for posting this thread, I don't really enjoy sharing my views so I know I wouldn't. I let my actions speak for themselves, I guess.
Anyway, for the sake of post quality, I disagree with mostly everything you say. However, I don't really feel like arguing about it, or telling you why; I doubt it'd change your mind. If I think it did, well -- Social Justice wouldn't be a thing if forum posts were enough.
Lmao tho im srsly ded.
Kudos to you for posting this thread, I don't really enjoy sharing my views so I know I wouldn't. I let my actions speak for themselves, I guess.
And that doesn't signal inequality at all??? I'm not saying that no black person has ever been the victim of racism, and I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist today. I'm saying that people are blowing it out of proportion and accusing people that aren't racist of being racist. As I've said before, calling someone a racist, or a bigot, or a homophobe is the new way of shutting someone up. Someone pulled the race card on me for liking a kind of shampoo. Yeah. Here's the exact conversation word for word.
Me (to my classmate in hair school): "What shampoo are you using?" she was practicing shampooing another classmate's hair.
Her: "Brilliant." which was shampoo she was using which is good for coarse hair, but isn't just for coarse hair.
Me: "Ooh, I love that one, it makes your hair look so nice and shiny."
Her: "That's racist, not all black people have coarse hair!!!" I said nothing of the sort.
See what I mean?
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It's *considered* more offensive, but I think that both are equally offensive. Happy?
Did the whole class applaud you
But no I'm not happy 'cause you're still wildly wrong I'm sorry :c
What doesn't (/does) signal inequality? (sorry, I don't know which part you mean?). Most of the time said person really is being racist/homophobic or a bigot though? I don't think people are blowing it out of proportion at all.
I don't really see what you mean as it was just a short section of a conversation and it's hard to really see where both you and her were coming from without being there or hearing her side. Maybe she misunderstood you and thought you meant something along those lines? if you were not being racist or didn't mean it that way I don't see the issue, you could have apologised and explained you didn't mean it like that at all, or just left it because you know you weren't being racist?
I meant being compared to slave owners and being called the n word not be equally as offensive signals inequality. Not that it's the most important issue in the world.
And that was the entire conversation besides the last thing I said, which was "Did I say anything like that? No." And why should I apologize for something I never did, and had no intention to do? It drives me nuts that people expect that! And just to describe this person a little more, she was incredibly rich (had a lawyer for a mom and a ceo of an oil company for a dad), loved telling everyone how rich she was, had a new set of $1000 extensions every week and talked about how she used to starve herself for attention, how if she ever had a fat kid, she'd send them to fat camp just because she "didn't want a fat kid", and she also talked crap about everyone, especially the teachers that made her work.
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Slave owners were in power and held in the highest regards.
Slaves were oppressed, weren't allowed to think freely, and discriminated against.
The latter is so obviously worse than the former I'm amazed at the amount of people that can't grasp this. It's even greater that they're the ones who always claim people just "want to be offended".
Slaves were oppressed, weren't allowed to think freely, and discriminated against.
The latter is so obviously worse than the former I'm amazed at the amount of people that can't grasp this. It's even greater that they're the ones who always claim people just "want to be offended".
This thread is such a flame bait and I hope you've been around on the internet (or this forum for that matter) to recognize that it is. these kinds of opinions are always looked down upon.
I feel like your first paragraph is somewhat agreeable, it's good to look at other perspectives. It's good to block hurtful people. It's good to respond with calmness and knowledge and empathy of the subject and the people involved.
To an extent, the fact that there has been a call out culture on tumblr/twitter etc is slightly ridiculous. I'm talking about people who do or say things that may seem innocent but are taken completely out of context, and then the kid's job or school is being spammed with calls and next thing you know it their life is ruined over a simple tweet. Instead of teaching this kid why what they said or did was wrong, they resort to extremes like finding out where they live or threatening their parents and I think that's sickening and doesn't make anything better. i've seen it happen quite a number of times now or like some person will take advantage of a situation and post their ex bf/gf's info who has nothing to do with them, costing their job.
I think it depends on the severity of what was said though. If you have obvious racist posts and other stuff and it's constant, why should you keep your job when you're a professional doctor and your job is to help people regardless of their race? That sh!t isn't taken lightly and it shouldn't be. I haven't heard of the obesity thing with them getting sued though.
But when it comes to some kid accidentally "appropriating" a culture by wearing like, a symbolic shirt or something, and then people turning to extremes rather than teaching. That's what I don't agree with.
I'm assuming you're white but yeah white privilege is a thing, for the reasons stated by other posters. You will always have more of an advantage in society and you need to understand that. It's not illogical and perhaps you should look into more research. No, not every single white person is at an advantage but they get far more advantages than other groups. Statistically or otherwise.
People should use social justice to change issues they care about, to lead through actions rather than typing behind a screen. To teach and be empathetic to others. It's on the right path I'd like to think, people are more concerned than ever because of social media. I just wish people were less hostile about it, maybe then they'd get their point across better. It's nice to see people who take their time to discuss this kind of stuff without anger every once in a while.
I feel like your first paragraph is somewhat agreeable, it's good to look at other perspectives. It's good to block hurtful people. It's good to respond with calmness and knowledge and empathy of the subject and the people involved.
To an extent, the fact that there has been a call out culture on tumblr/twitter etc is slightly ridiculous. I'm talking about people who do or say things that may seem innocent but are taken completely out of context, and then the kid's job or school is being spammed with calls and next thing you know it their life is ruined over a simple tweet. Instead of teaching this kid why what they said or did was wrong, they resort to extremes like finding out where they live or threatening their parents and I think that's sickening and doesn't make anything better. i've seen it happen quite a number of times now or like some person will take advantage of a situation and post their ex bf/gf's info who has nothing to do with them, costing their job.
I think it depends on the severity of what was said though. If you have obvious racist posts and other stuff and it's constant, why should you keep your job when you're a professional doctor and your job is to help people regardless of their race? That sh!t isn't taken lightly and it shouldn't be. I haven't heard of the obesity thing with them getting sued though.
But when it comes to some kid accidentally "appropriating" a culture by wearing like, a symbolic shirt or something, and then people turning to extremes rather than teaching. That's what I don't agree with.
I'm assuming you're white but yeah white privilege is a thing, for the reasons stated by other posters. You will always have more of an advantage in society and you need to understand that. It's not illogical and perhaps you should look into more research. No, not every single white person is at an advantage but they get far more advantages than other groups. Statistically or otherwise.
People should use social justice to change issues they care about, to lead through actions rather than typing behind a screen. To teach and be empathetic to others. It's on the right path I'd like to think, people are more concerned than ever because of social media. I just wish people were less hostile about it, maybe then they'd get their point across better. It's nice to see people who take their time to discuss this kind of stuff without anger every once in a while.
hydrophonic
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cultural appropriation is bull****, yadda yadda, bye.
No it isn't.
White girls wearing bindis and dreamcatchers to coachella and being called "chic" and "a look" while indian girls are being bullied and harassed for theirs, and while native people are getting discriminated against by the government, is a fine example of it.
amanda1983
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This article is a great starting point to understanding where, how, and why the concept of "white privilege" came from. There are several excellent links and sources to look into for further knowledge. Whether you, or anyone, agrees with the merits of the concept, it's best to gain a thorough understanding of what it is you're critiquing before deciding where you stand. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-...vilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-...vilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.htmlThis article is a great starting point to understanding where, how, and why the concept of "white privilege" came from. There are several excellent links and sources to look into for further knowledge. Whether you, or anyone, agrees with the merits of the concept, it's best to gain a thorough understanding of what it is you're critiquing before deciding where you stand.
Miii doesn't listen to anything that's on HuffPost even if it is 100% true
hydrophonic
Senior Member
quoting something i wrote on reddit:
i don't share your view. I think cultures are meant to be shared by everyone regardless of where they come from, and saying their use is only appropriate by people from the culture creates an stigma. Like ''your people are already a minority, so those things that could be shared by the majority and the minority should only be used by the minority, so who the **** cares if they keep separated forever, because that's their thing and only their thing''. For me, cultural appropriation is bull****, but well, everyone can think what they want.
If cultural appropriation was a thing, every single country in the world would be appropriating stuff from another culture. Hundreds of years have fused so many things together, nothing really is exclusively from one culture, and you can see it in potatoes, tea, silk, sushi, early American furniture, pizza... Nearly nothing is made up in its entirety of a single culture.
That Zephyr Guy
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Exactly this. When you take all meaning and significance from a culture and strip away it all just for aesthetic value or brownie points, then you help in burying said culture.
Besides, about 99% of people who complain about people trying to fight against cultural appropriation are also the people who think the people saying "eating mexican food is cultural appropriation" are actually serious.
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I think you misunderstand. It's okay to share a culture. It's okay to spread that kind of stuff.
But there is a significant difference in wanting to partake in a culture to be well... more cultured, and doing it "because it looks cool." When you take the meaning out of why certain things are a tradition, then it stops becoming a culture and starts becoming a trend.
Just because someone imitates a culture doesn't mean they're respecting it. And that's the issue.
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