What Are Your Political Views?
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ThomasNLD
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The countries in the world where people are happiest all have affordable healthcare. Even when it gets privatised for some part, the government will always keep a close watch on how companies are running it. With the greying of the population, governments are looking for cheaper ways to provide it, so they try to outsource it for a part or cut costs where they can. They don`t Always do this on the right spots, so it often has to get corrected later. This whole trial and error based method has given us the Healthcare we share today. Its unthinkable for it to go back beyond recognition. People would never accept the level of care to drop far below the level they are accustomed to.
I'm not really sure if you're asking this sarcastically but yes you should because your argument against it so far hasn't been strong. Socialised medicine benefits all and makes for a much fairer society. Free healthcare should be a human right.
The Hidden Owl
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I don't want to start anything but...
I would like some evidence please.
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I'm sorry, but I will never support socialized medicine. If I had a choice to vote to repeal Obamacare, I will vote to repeal Obamacare. Socialized medicine is a form of socialism, and I will never support socialism no matter what the cause is.
Everybody needs (or, at least, deserves) indoor plumbing.
...You still have to pay a plumber.
The Hidden Owl
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Another thing...
Here is the thing with free handouts (from Obama).
When homeless/really poor people receive them, they are going to keep being homeless. Why work when I get free money? I can keep living for free. With my cellphone! If you are homeless and you would rather have a smartphone than work, you got some serious problems.
Here is the thing with free handouts (from Obama).
When homeless/really poor people receive them, they are going to keep being homeless. Why work when I get free money? I can keep living for free. With my cellphone! If you are homeless and you would rather have a smartphone than work, you got some serious problems.
Agree to disagree, but I just don't understand your problem with it. Apart from waiting times, you haven't made any arguments against it - why do you hate it so much?
The Hidden Owl
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The thing is, it's putting our nation in deeper debt. We give out free health care to millions of people, when really we are spending the nation's money and becoming more in debt. That's why we need a Republican president to cut back on spending.
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That is an extremely narrow-minded way of looking at it. Yeah, i'm SURE they'd love to carry on living on the streets in the cold with no friends or family or a home or possessions, just because they get a tiny bit of money to get by on. I'm sure most homeless people would rather have an opportunity to work and get their lives together again, than have a smartphone, but unfortunately its rather hard to tie down a job when you have no home, probably no place to shower, not many clothes... Just think about it.
+1.
That money doesn't just appear out of nowhere. When you're not paying for your own doctor visits, you're essentially paying for everyone else's with that wonderful tax hike to cover the costs of "free" healthcare.
Nothing. Is free.
Sorting out your plumbing is rather different to healthcare. Obviously many things in life you have to pay for, but I don't think healthcare should be one of them. If I find a lump and am worried I have cancer, I don't want to delay going to the doctor because I'm worried about the cost.
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You may say that, but the truth is that as it is at the moment and in recent years, the USA has been very inefficient in health spending. About 17% of USA's GDP is spent on healthcare, compared to about 10% in the UK. So basically, ours is more efficient economically. (and a lot more humane)
ThomasNLD
Keep the wolves away
Check this list on spendings on healthcare per capita in 2010 and 2011 and check who tops the list (before Obamacare)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita
Healthcare actually costs less when people are more likely to go to a doctor early, because they aren`t terrified they can`t pay for the upcoming bill. You can prevent many bigger (and therefore more expensive) treatments by catching illnesses early.
False promises.
Anyway, I'm British so I don't have any care for political matters over the pond. Although I do think the world would be much better off if we de-evolved; returning to the dark ages when there were no governments or politics. When it was every man for himself.
Anyway, I'm British so I don't have any care for political matters over the pond. Although I do think the world would be much better off if we de-evolved; returning to the dark ages when there were no governments or politics. When it was every man for himself.
Yes, the dark ages were great for your common man
Yes if it makes us somewhat equal and handed well in the end.
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Well if people weren't so damn clinging to their freedom and would accept it it wouldn't be too much spending. Be glad someone is offering that thing to you.
I'm about as left-wing as you can get without hitting communism
I really don't want to get into my views on every little thing because I don't want to be attacked by conservatives so that's all I'm gonna say
but that's in an ideal world. in the real world people take advantage of social programs to the point where they cost too much, and the government will always be flawed because people are flawed. so honestly when it comes to politics I don't feel that we can ever really "win" so I don't get too worked up about it. so I guess my point is that although I have left-wing views, I don't necessarily believe that the parties who believe the same would be successful. because I don't believe any government can be considered successful to everybody.
I really don't want to get into my views on every little thing because I don't want to be attacked by conservatives so that's all I'm gonna say
but that's in an ideal world. in the real world people take advantage of social programs to the point where they cost too much, and the government will always be flawed because people are flawed. so honestly when it comes to politics I don't feel that we can ever really "win" so I don't get too worked up about it. so I guess my point is that although I have left-wing views, I don't necessarily believe that the parties who believe the same would be successful. because I don't believe any government can be considered successful to everybody.
Hypothetical question I see.Speaking of equal, will everyone be paying an equal amount to support the health system too?
But no that wouldn't exactly be doable unless all the professions got the same amount of salary. But yeah if you earn more, pay more.
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Since this seems to be on the topic of healthcare, let me post a couple of things for comparison.
In comparison, Canada:
My dad broke his arm skiing. He went to the hospital. After a few, he left the hospital with his arm set and in a cast, with no cost to him. He also got the cast removed with no cost.
One of my best friends is American. She told me about how her friend didn't want to go get stitches for a split chin because he didn't have the cash to pay for it. ....seriously?
Honestly, the countries that cover necessary medical expenses for all of their citizens, whether through socialized healthcare like the UK or through single-payer systems like Canada, kind of wonder why the U.S. is slacking. It seems almost medieval to me to leave citizens without insurance simply if they can't afford it.
In comparison, Canada:
My dad broke his arm skiing. He went to the hospital. After a few, he left the hospital with his arm set and in a cast, with no cost to him. He also got the cast removed with no cost.
One of my best friends is American. She told me about how her friend didn't want to go get stitches for a split chin because he didn't have the cash to pay for it. ....seriously?
Honestly, the countries that cover necessary medical expenses for all of their citizens, whether through socialized healthcare like the UK or through single-payer systems like Canada, kind of wonder why the U.S. is slacking. It seems almost medieval to me to leave citizens without insurance simply if they can't afford it.
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