What Are Your Political Views?

[Alienfish]

At the same time I can definetly respect your opinion. There is something to be said for demanding a professional attitude from professionals. When that is clear for everyone when they start theirstudies, no one can claim they didn't see it coming, even though laws and therefore procedures a professional must execute can change. Most discussions do not gravitate around right and wrong, but just different sides of a spectrum whereboth opinions are validated and grounded on a solid foundation.

In that sense cultural differences are applaudable and only lead to improvements when it comes to standard of life in the long run.

Well to be honest it's not as difficult as most of these people think. But then again, if they want to be a doctor so bad they could always work with old people or children instead I suppose.

Well yes, as long as we don't get those extreme pro-lifers/religious people that makes it law and base it on a "fantasy" book. I am an atheist myself and when people makes law based on (mainly) Catholicism beliefs and makes it valid for everyone, just..no. Sure, go ahead and have different opinions but don't make it law when it kill more people than it helps.

And even more when they put girls who makes abortions in those countries into prison for 50 years because of "murder"(when you are very much not ready for a pregnancy at 12) just.. what are into these people's heads?

 

[ThomasNLD]

I agree that church and state should be seperate. Its a crime to sentence any child for such long time. But there is crazy stuff happening all over the world.

Kinda sad there isn't a global consensus of right and wrong. But yeah, yay diversity.....
When people abroad complain about Dutch laws, all Diutchies think "well, **** 'em", including me.
So who am I to object to Nigerian laws for example and expect change? They will think the exact same thing.....

All you can protect or stand up for is democracy, what they do with it is up to them. We learned that the hard way in recent years. If they democratically decide abortion is against the law, who the hell am I to object.

Its tough. Especially women in many countries are victim of huge hypocracy in cases of rape, adultery and as you pointed out abortion. It bothers me as a human being. Its almost impossible to change it.

This is more a personal issue of mine, but I can`t stand how we completely dismiss the culture and values of many, especially middle eastern societies. Yet at the same time, we get all pissed off when they do the exact same thing to us. Its not that I disagree with the Western way of thinking, but it still gives no claim to global rightiousness. In many cases we should mind our own business, as hard as that may be.
But thats just a personal rant.

 

[Alienfish]

I agree that church and state should be seperate. Its a crime to sentence any child for such long time. But there is crazy stuff happening all over the world.


All you can protect or stand up for is democracy, what they do with it is up to them. We learned that the hard way in recent years. If they democratically decide abortion is against the law, who the hell am I to object.

Its tough. Especially women in many countries are victim of huge hypocracy in cases of rape, adultery and as you pointed out abortion. It bothers me as a human being. Its almost impossible to change it.

This is more a personal issue of mine, but I can`t stand how we completely dismiss the culture and values of many, especially middle eastern societies. Yet at the same time, we get all pissed off when they do the exact same thing to us. Its not that I disagree with the Western way of thinking, but it still gives no claim to global rightiousness. In many cases we should mind our own business, as hard as that may be.
But thats just a personal rant.

Yes they should. Especially since hardly everyone agrees with one's belief.

For that matter, you are the hell to actually object and in whatever way you can try and object inhuman rights. And I was pointing out to countries in Central/South America where Catholicism is the dominating religion and they live way stricter than your average Christian in the west.

Well I think we do them some kind of favor in caring, I doubt most of these people want stupid laws shoving onto them how to dictate their sexual lives. But heck those people making the laws probably want to go back to a pre-women rights era where they could say whatever they want and everyone had to follow it(which still is the case in most places).

And the dismissal is probably because of their adapting their version of the Qur'an (if we are talking about the Middle East) even if it doesn't say anything wrong about women in the original. While they may rant on women going topless they should focus on their own problems first and while I can agree both sides should mind their own business to an extent it's hard when they do it in the name of religion and take away the other gender's rights.

 

[Envelin]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHUT UP ABOUT NEW WARS AND USE THEIR MONEY FOR CLIMATE CHANGE

Really though, everyone is fearing that new wars will happen. No one seems to care about Global Warming, their has been evidence that this is really happening. So ya, I'm rooting for anyone who supports global warming.

Although I think global warming is a myth, you're so right about the belief that war is imminent
I think people should be worrying more about pollution and water usage as well as CO2 emissions.

 

[ThomasNLD]

Thats why you have to protect the democracy, to give the people a voice and make sure it is heard by those who reign.

Its difficult though, I spoke regularly with a girl from Saudi Arabia, who told me some really horrible stories, going much, much further then women not allowed to go topless. Seriously insane things happen over there. She told me for example about a fire in a school where only girls studied. Because only girls were there, they weren`t forced to wear headscarfs or whatever you call them in English. When a fire broke out, firemen were denied access in the building, because the girls were "exposed." Thats insanity.

Yet at the same time, this girl told me her sisters and mother agreed with Saudi laws as they were. You can argue they might be brainwashed, even though they all have spend time in Spain, Holland and America. Fact is many people agree with the strict laws laid down by (extremist) interpretations of the Quran. In the really old days, the Bible wss also supported by the masses, even though it demanded barbaric measures against for example adulterers, thieves and homosexuals.

I will always support the people who fall victim to violations of human rights. Whether its about immigrants coming to Holland and being mistreated or a 16 year old getting the dead penalty in America because he was trialed as an adult.
I believe though outrage benefits the regimes that lead by brute force and injustice. It gives them someone else to point a finger at. Someone to distinguish as "them", opposed to "we." We should do more to show another way of life, not attacking other lifestyles, but perfecting ours and show an alternative. That way we can maybe change the "we", now consisting of regimes and suppressed populations. Because you are forcing those populations to reflect inwards, because you give their leaders no longer an enemy to distract from the true problem.

We will never solve it though. Western countries use this crap to monger fear and force through their capitalistic agenda.
They don`t desire worldpeace. I know this makes me sound like Im insanely paranoid, but just watch the news. Check the airtime given to various news subjects and then look up the true issues at hand in your country. A scared population asks no questions.

Just to be clear, I have nothing against religions. Im not religious myself, but people have every right to follow the religion they want. I have a problem with extremism.

 

[Alienfish]

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See, that's why I have probably with religion as much as capitalism being bad; simply because they are making people brainwashed to extreme. Opium to the people in both ways. Does not justify anything however, and that fire example you brought makes me even more annoyed that people use these "laws" to revoke rights of either gender. I don't see it as a culture if you go as far as saying you can't go inside in a fatal situation. Call me narrow-minded here but I see it as extremely difficult to justify any of this just because you happen to be a man(or a woman).

Well nowadays those religious people are the one that are heard. I know people who believes in God that are "normal". I mean heck if you want to believe Jesus is made of potatoes go ahead but don't shuffle your twisted sight on women onto me, thank you.

 

[tamagotchi]

Politic discussion, for me, is rather boring, and they - most of the time - lead to arguments [ Of course that's expected, since it is a debate, but there's always the people who go too far. ].

That being said I don't particularly care for politics.

 

[ThomasNLD]

See, that's why I have probably with religion as much as capitalism being bad; simply because they are making people brainwashed to extreme. Opium to the people in both ways. Does not justify anything however, and that fire example you brought makes me even more annoyed that people use these "laws" to revoke rights of either gender. I don't see it as a culture if you go as far as saying you can't go inside in a fatal situation. Call me narrow-minded here but I see it as extremely difficult to justify any of this just because you happen to be a man(or a woman).

I don`t think you are narowminded at all. Just like you, for me its very hard to see any justice in some of the ways women are treated in other cultures.
However, what I tried to bring across is that what seems obvious to others, is completely incomprehensible for others. I`m pretty sure Hillary Clinton as possible president of America baffles a lot of people worldwide. Just like euthanasia & legalized prostitution laws in Holland will baffle them. They look at it the same way as we do I think, just from the different side of the coin. Obviously we completely disagree with them, but its just as obvious for them to disagree with us.

That still doesn`t mean we should accept women being mistreated there, but it does mean we should try and look at things from their perspective. Thats the only way you can find a way to change anything. They will never, ever forfait their values for threats, that will only strengthen their faith that what they do is just. Just like the other way around.

This is a bit naive, but its a nice thought, it was once stated by a Dutch comedian:
What if America used all that money they spend on bombs and wars, lets say 10 billion (I made the number up, its irrelevant and I saw it a long time ago) and spend it doing good. Use 2 million to vaccinate children against malaria in africa, use 2 billion fighting world hunger, use another 2 billion educating people everywhere and use the last 4 billion for the environment, so we all will benefit. Who would still wish harm upon America and the Western world.

I know its naive as hell and he said it before the rise of the Islamic State. But still. I truly believe education is the best weapon against terrorism, not bombs. I`m btw very aware of the Dutch support in the agressive way of dealing with the threat of terrorism, so I don`t blame it on America alone.
Education is pretty much the best weapon against everything. Bigotry, racism, hunger, wars, etc. Weapons might bring dynamite, education brings kryptonite. Ask Superman whats stronger.
But things that go BOOM obviously are way cooler.

 

[Alienfish]

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Well I guess how open-minded you are on these things and how educated you actually are on the subjects. But since most people are pretty conservative on the matters they just look at it as "wrong". On the other hands, it doesn't exactly justify them to forbid them, even if they actually know how 'dangerous' it is for the people which is also wrong to do.

Correct. But then it's also both parts' fault for either a) attacking them for it or b) don't educate so it's wrong either way in terms of overly religious leaders.

 

[Nuclear Bingo]

I think every pro-lifer should be obligated to adopt a child, seeing as they're so insistent on bringing unwanted babies into the world

Challenge accepted!

 

[M O L K O]

Good idea, but then they probably have 14 children of their own already so I don't know...

omfg.

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anyway one of these days I'll write out my political views in full.
Though, in a political sense, I still don't understand why gay marriage is a big deal?
Wouldn't that just be more couples to have pay for a marriage license??


Don't mind me I'm just admiring ThomasNLD & Noiru discussion.

 

[ThomasNLD]

I don't know what its like in other countries, but in Holland marriage gives tax benefits and I believe also some kind of favourable financial bonus for rent or mortgagerates. Its definetly financially beneficial. I'm not married so I would have to look it up to pinpoint it exactly.

Divorcing is a different matter ofcourse.

 

[-Apples-]

Here's another political view of mine:

I support the freedom of speech (including talking about pizza on TBT).

 

[oath2order]

Ban pizza threads 2k14.

I still support freedom of speech

 

[Envy]

I side most closely with Liberals/Democrats. Mainly, because of being much more progressively socially (thus being more pro-LGBT and feminism), and also because of separation of church and state. I just can't even remotely begin to align myself with any such party that opposes those.

 

[Brackets]

I'm just worried how UKIP is creeping up in the UK. In my view, they are quite frankly racist. The unfortunate thing is, the main other political parties in the UK aren't too favourable either. Myself, and a lot of the public, just can't relate with them, and they don't relate with us. I really don't know where I stand at the moment and I don't know how I'm going to vote. I voted Green party last time, even though I don't believe in a lot of their policies, because I just couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others. I'm thinking maybe Labour, even though I kindof hate Ed Miliband..