The Official Feedback Thread

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Imo it is unfortunate that some members are deciding to leave instead of providing feedback and holding staff accountable for implementing the feedback in the future. I'm not saying that that's their job, but that would be the best option for the betterment of the forums.
Yeah, we’re not just losing members because of how the staff handled issues, but also because of how others treated them.

This is pretty much a mirror of 2015, when all of the drama or bullying and backlashes towards several members have made them leave the forums.
 
I'm going to be straight forward. You should be doing this relearning away from this forum. Step down as staff so people can ignore you and never have to see your posts again. I'm glad to hear that you are trying to work on yourself but this behavior can't be unlearned easily or quickly. What you said in the past was predatory rhetoric. The fact you work with minors when you made that statement makes it more heinous.

Deleting and editing your posts is not enough.

You said you already step back from handling moderation issues recently so you are already halfway there.
I don't think stepping down is necessary. Their presence has ben adequate when needed.
 
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Imo it is unfortunate that some members are deciding to leave instead of providing feedback and holding staff accountable for implementing the feedback in the future. I'm not saying that that's their job, but that would be the best option for the betterment of the forums.
it is, as i had just previously noted in my last post, not our responsibility to stay and hold staff accountable - especially when they give members very little ability / grace to do so. the person who was banned we have been discussing did hold staff accountable, and he was singled out by the owner of the website publicly for doing so as it was done in a way that was misconstrued as harsher than it was, and he was then subsequently banned for what was deemed a tonal issue in response to this. i was directly referenced by the same owner for trying to point out that support of bigotry is support of bigotry no matter your own identity, as - once again - the point involved was misconstrued. Sharksheep had a post directly edited immediately for namedropping a staff member they held issue with. all points made regarding the banned user have been redirected to "Many of you are upset to see a friend banned :(" after multiple statements from people who affirmed they were not close with him. et-cetera. et-cetera.

if the staff would genuinely like to move forward with the betterment of the forum, then they are welcome and encouraged to do so, but it is not on us to see them through in doing so when many attempts to present specific criticisms have fallen upon deaf ears thus far. the betterment of the forum should come because staff is willing to hold each other accountable instead of forcing users to do it for them.
 
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I don’t even understand what’s going on. I’m reluctant to share my thoughts and opinions because somebody’s gonna have a strong opinion about it. I don’t really even know what I think.

I feel bad for Chris. I do think the situation should have been dealt with more objectively by the staff. Maybe he should take a step back or stop moderating - but he said he’s been doing that anyway? I don’t know. I’m a teenager myself, I can’t assess the capability of a 30+ yr old to moderate a forum. I think the rest of the staff, maybe even Chris himself, should take a look at how they’d respond to this if it was another member. I don’t think it’s right for people to try to force him away, but I will acknowledge that I really don’t understand the severity of his posts. I think that‘s just my lack of life experience. I also don’t think it’s right for staff to try to cover up mistakes, edit posts and censor names out when feedback is given, in the feedback thread.
 
it is, as i had just previously noted in our last post, not our responsibility to stay and hold staff accountable - especially when they give members very little ability / grace to do so. the person who was banned we have been discussing did hold staff accountable, and he was singled out by the owner of the website publicly for doing so as it was done in a way that was misconstrued as harsher than it was, and he was then subsequently banned for what was deemed a tonal issue in response to this. i was directly referenced by the same owner for trying to point out that staff support of bigotry is support of bigotry no matter your own identity, as - once again - the point involved was misconstrued. Sharksleep had a post directly edited immediately for namedropping a staff member they held issue with. all points made regarding the banned user have been redirected to "Many of you are upset to see a friend banned :(" after multiple statements from people who affirmed they were not close with him. et-cetera. et-cetera.

if the staff would genuinely like to move forward with the betterment of the forum, then they are welcome and encouraged to do so, but it is not on us to see them through in doing so when many attempts to present specific criticisms have fallen upon deaf ears thus far. the betterment of the forum should come because staff is willing to hold each other accountable instead of forcing users to do it for them.
Yes, I said that it is not the members responsibility. It would be the best for the forums. I am in no place to tell people to leave or not leave. I am merely pointing out ways of handling the issue and how they can impact the betterment of the forums (the goal of this discussion).

And you added a great point, that it is staff's responsibility to hold each other accountable.
 
@Chris: “I have no personal issue with pixel and microscale art and while I could elaborate specifically on the reasons why I felt the Valentine's entry was not suitable for this particular contest at the time, that is not the purpose of this post and I don't feel that is appropriate to do here. Especially as I do not want to put any further spotlight on sleepey, because I do feel bad that all of this was a result of their entry. They said at the time they felt embarrassed by the way I had approached the situation, and while that was not my intention, I recognise it was the reaction and I am sorry for that. I should have put more thought into my wording before responding, rather than sending something quickly, and I should have handled it privately.

I’ve been doing a lot of reflection and working on the way I communicate online. Going forward I am going to keep doing this. If I word something too harshly or unclearly, feel free to message me. I want to understand where I still need to improve, and I'd appreciate you taking the time to share this with me. I have someone keeping me accountable for this in real life and it has been incredibly helpful. I’m relearning over 30 years of social skills and it is both confusing and challenging. It isn’t something that is done overnight but I'm working on it and I hope you'll bear with me while I do.”

Hi, Chris. I’m sorry to hear about your recent struggles. While I appreciate your reasoning of not putting me in the spotlight, that kind of already happened. I feel this was a result of your inaction and waiting about a month to so much as receive a private apology from another staff member. The message and sentiment was genuinely very nice, but as time passes, I feel more that part of my trust in this site has been damaged beyond repair (as I write this and witness this thread).

Overall, I feel weary of staff’s intent in their responses, especially after closing this thread for a week. I was recently put in a difficult position in an IRL community performing arts space where I was tone-policed by white people in positions of leadership for how I expressed my frustration at leadership misconduct and policy failures. This culminated in several people saying not-so-subtly racist things about my character. This is not the first time I’ve experienced this, having attended a conservative university in the South after 2016 as a brown trans person. Needless to say, the situation with the banned user hit kind of close to home, and that is what, I think, solidifies much of my distrust.

Anyway, Chris—during the Valentine’s Day event, I was barely a month out of a stay at a psychiatric hospital. Our interaction was actually during my first days at an intensive outpatient mental health treatment program, which I graduated earlier this month. Ironically, our disagreement (and that of my IRL community) helped me gain some confidence in myself, because I was lucky to have the resources and social support to bounce back from how much receiving that blow by someone in a position in power shook me. Along with some of the inappropriate details you’ve divulged about your intimate life, I really think the continued responsibility you hold to the community as a senior moderator, Chris, is remarkably inconsistent with the long-term impact of your behavior. For this reason, I see asking you to step down as a reasonable request.

I wish the best for your recovery and development as a person.
 
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Oh! I forgot I had another official feedback I wanted to mention.

I would love to see more puzzles in events! Yes i know, we just had the egg hunt (awesome), but I was thinking of the letter fall (not sure the name) puzzles, decoding, things like that. I love when events have a puzzle or two (or more).
 
The discussion is still about inappropriate sexual conduct and questionable fitness and emotional maturity for an important community role whose
presence impacts its userbase
It's also possible a least one person here is stirring things up because they think they have a chance at a vacant staff position.
 
It was about Harry Potter a few pages ago.
Hi Reginald,

Thank you for your insight, as misguided as it is at best and willfully / purposefully obtuse it may be at worst. Based on your newfound accusation of some of us potentially applying criticism for the sake of attempting to usurp a staff position once a vacancy opens (???) I m guessing the latter, but will still try to approach this with grace.

My criticism of Chris' continued support for Harry Potter being at odds with the staff's insistence that TBT is a safe site for trans members is entirely separate from the current issue at hand causing our suggestions re: stepping down and only came into play as Jeremy entirely misconstrued my initial point from Page 21, as the staff wanting the website to be considered a safe place and falling short of that was on-topic at the time, and then promptly shut the conversation down before anything else could be said at that time. I wanted to elaborate on that when the thread reopened to make the point I was trying to make clear, and that was that. Do not claim this conversation is about Harry Potter, as this issue is entirely separate from that point, and that point has not been involved in any of my points or posts responding to the current situation at hand - bar a single comment referencing my original post (more specifically Jeremy's response to it) as an example of staff tendency to dismiss criticism - since my piece on that has been said and is done. We have moved on.

The discussion we are currently on, especially in response to Chris' approach to the topic, is about inappropriate sexual conversation from a staff member, lack of accountability and staff tendency to cover for each other in situations where lesser members would have been warned, and suggestions for the person who is involved to consider stepping away due to struggles with maintaining the responsibilities of that position while working to better himself in real life. Please do not try to derail it.
 
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The discussion we are currently on, especially in response to Chris' approach to the topic, is about inappropriate sexual conversation from a staff member, lack of accountability and staff tendency to cover for each other in situations where lesser members would have been warned, and suggestions for the person who is involved to consider stepping away due to struggles with maintaining the responsibilities of that position while working to better himself in real life. Please do not try to derail it.
I think we should move onto a new topic anyway. There are other problems with this forum too. Like one of the big topics as highlighted earlier in the thread is on the Collectibles Market. I also haven’t seen them say anything about my collectible folders idea or user-hosted events idea. Besides, even if we drop the subject and move on, the staff will still have internal discussions of what’s already been discussed.
 
I think we should move onto a new topic anyway. There are other problems with this forum too. Like one of the big topics as highlighted earlier in the thread is on the Collectibles Market.
The fact you would even attempt to distract from the point of this serious discussion and bring up a completely innocent and fun part of the site at a time like this is extremely questionable.
 
-Apples- has mentioned wanting to be on the staff multiple times.
Which I’ve also been doing all the way back in 2014-2015. I actually remembered (from 10 years ago) reading a couple comments off-site about how some members don’t want me on the staff team. They think I would abuse my power as moderator. I will say that I have matured over the last 10 years (even at the time, I was at my most mature moment, just not as good as I am now), and now I’m more interested into running site events and site ideas than I am into moderating the forum. I actually don’t need to be on the team to enjoy this site, but I would still be interested in joining.

EDIT: Actually, I don’t think I’ll be eligible for team as of now.
 
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Which I’ve also been doing all the way back in 2014-2015. I actually remembered (from 10 years ago) reading a couple comments off-site about how some members don’t want me on the staff team. They think I would abuse my power as moderator. I will say that I have matured over the last 10 years (even at the time, I was at my most mature moment, just not as good as I am now), and now I’m more interested into running site events and site ideas than I am into moderating the forum. I actually don’t need to be on the team to enjoy this site, but I would still be interested in joining.

EDIT: Actually, I don’t think I’ll be eligible for team as of now.
As of now?
 
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