Mafia The Franchise Wars- Town & TP Win!

fyi as posted by host in voting thread:

EDIT: Essentially this means that the day will end early if majority vote on a person is reached. But after 9pm est tomorrow, the voting goes to plurality
 
Is everyone fine with a FireNinja lynch?

Kirby is confirmed cop if he's scum or if he is unaware miller, right?
 
All right, here's what I'll do. Compromise time.

I will vote for kit to find out whether seroja is green, and whether kirby's investigate can be relied upon (as I previously explained). If we all vote kit, we will know a lot more who is who. Seroja gets a chance to live and prove herself (despite me still thinking she's scum), we test the likelihood of kirby's investigate being right without actually harming him, and we get rid of a player who openly admitted she was hoping there wouldn't be a counterclaim. (To me that's the height of scummy behavior - only a maf would ever be remotely worried about a counterclaim because the CC would expose them.)

To me, kit is more likely to be scum than seroja, and seroja more likely than fireninja.

IDK if y'all want to do that, but at least for me, I'll be voting for the person I feel will give us the most information.
 
All right, here's what I'll do. Compromise time.

I will vote for kit to find out whether seroja is green, and whether kirby's investigate can be relied upon (as I previously explained). If we all vote kit, we will know a lot more who is who. Seroja gets a chance to live and prove herself (despite me still thinking she's scum), we test the likelihood of kirby's investigate being right without actually harming him, and we get rid of a player who openly admitted she was hoping there wouldn't be a counterclaim. (To me that's the height of scummy behavior - only a maf would ever be remotely worried about a counterclaim because the CC would expose them.)

To me, kit is more likely to be scum than seroja, and seroja more likely than fireninja.

IDK if y'all want to do that, but at least for me, I'll be voting for the person I feel will give us the most information.

You are seriously going to vote for a claimed blue and push for her lynch? Seriously? Wow. Scummy to a T.

The logic behind hoping that no one would counter claim is so that she could hide her true role as Joat (which is a very useful role) while also saving me. Tf are you thinking? How many games have you played before?
 
Kit and kirby are counterclaiming for all intents and purposes. Kit is being incredibly shifty about his totally not cop claim (which we all know it was, come on), kirby counterclaimed, and while I kind of get karen's questioning the major attack on seroja, it still doesn't hold water IMO. When karen briefly commented on the cleb thing, it wasn't as big of a deal as it was when seroja entered the thread. When seroja entered, it was literally the biggest story in the two ongoing conflicts in the thread at the time. At least karen actually said SOMETHING about it even before it really exploded; seroja said almost nothing when it was a much bigger deal. Why we're letting seroja get away scot-free with this, I don't know, except if she *might* be GF.

The biggest thing I don't get after all of this is why we're not lynching between seroja and kit.

My preference in lynch order to gain the most information would be: Seroja, Kit, and Fireninja. Lynching fireninja seems like a good idea but it would gain us the least amount of info - if he's scum, it lends credence to Kirby, but we know nothing about seroja and kit's alignment. If he's town, it casts doubt on kirby but again, we learn nothing about kit and seroja. Lynching kit would expose seroja if kit flips scum, and would lend credence to Kirby's investigate on fireninja. If kit flips good, it would partially vindicate seroja, and cast serious doubt on kirby's result on fireninja. Lynching seroja would expose kit if seroja is maf, and probably confirm kit if seroja flips town, and cast heavy suspicion on kirby?s result, vindicating fireninja.

So lynching fireninja only tells us about one player's alignment, while lynching kit or seroja tells us about three player's alignments. Crazy cop and miller are very plausible scenarios in fireninja's case.

okokok hold up.

right now we have a SCUM report on FN, an INNO report on Seroja, and a JOAT claim from Kit and you wanna go for the latter 2.

if we kill Seroja and she flips town, that does not clear Kit by any means. Mafia can fake claim JOAT and fake an inno report. it also does not lend any credence whatsoever to kirby/fireninja

if we kill Kit and she flips JOAT, doesn't lessen the possibility of Seroja being GF. and also you've literally just killed a blue. also doesn't lend any credence to kirby/fireninja

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Is everyone fine with a FireNinja lynch?

Kirby is confirmed cop if he's scum or if he is unaware miller, right?

yes
 
Evan explain to me how a kit lynch would yield more information? I'm much more willing to lynch FN or Seroja.
 
Karen, say if we lynch FireNinja today and he flips unaware miller, tonight we'll lose at least 2 more town. Are we willing to do this?

We have 48 hours to discuss the possible scum team. I suggest we use this time wisely and not reach a majority vote just yet. To those who haven't voted yet please hold your vote. We can all still vote for FireNinja nearing EoD. We wasted precious day time in Miraculous Ladybug by mislynching Rose the Roleblocker. I don't want to see a repeat of that.
 
Evan explain to me how a kit lynch would yield more information? I'm much more willing to lynch FN or Seroja.

I'll respond to the others in a second, but I want to touch on Ness's question first.

Kit has admitted to softclaiming cop and hoping no one would counter, then he was forced to "come out" as JOAT. Which seems like a terribly scummy strategy to me. Why not admit you are JOAT and give us your inno so we could save the hassle and confusion of the counterclaim??

Perhaps it's the paranoid in me but scum!kit claiming JOAT and inno'ing on seroja (whether seroja is scum or town) would be a big reverse psychology play with high risk, high reward. Putting herself in the spotlight with a giant role claim with a lot of powers and inno'ing a player that is widely seen as scum?

If we vote kit, and she turns scum, we then know that (a) kirby's investigate is probably right, and we lynch fireninja (b) seroja is almost certainly scum as well. If we vote kit, and she really is JOAT, we know that (a) kirby's investigate is under significant suspicion, we don't lynch fireninja (until perhaps later on) and that seroja is probably clear as well.
 
What has f11 done that is scummy this game?

Don't remember why scum read her.

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Don't remember why YOU scum read her

Cos she's the scummiest to me right now. She's back on the thread and yet still keeping silent. Could be she's catching up but there's something there.
 
Also tjat sounds like a really elaborate and risky mafia strat
I am not that smart but ty for the flattery lol
 
Kirby, I have a question for you because I googled Miller as Fireninja is claiming and it says

"A Miller that knows they are a Miller and flips as such is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop. The Normal variant of Miller specifically only produces a false guilty to a Cop and Seer, so for example, a Gunsmith will see them as having no gun (unless they have a gun for some other reason)."


so you are a cop, a role cop or a vanilla cop?
 
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