Mafia The Franchise Wars- Town & TP Win!

[Biancasbotique]

Ok I really don't wanna lynch someone wrong...so I am rereading all the posts , and I am just heady with this..Please bear with me ...This is totally different from Big Brother Mafia, and I wasn't really aware that town roles are not mentioned or what they are so I don't know who is who and who is what and what I can't do. I am trying to play the game right. all I know are the following:

Kirby = cop and he investigates
Kit= jack of all trades..what does she do? as jack of all trades
dolby = veteran so i see he is town
cleb is townie also a subway
kat=survivor
Karen= townleaned (ok who's karen?)
evan =idk (he has these lengthy posts i am trying to read lol)
ninja= everyone seems to be voting for him in threads based on kirby
zendel= idk too but he is nice so i think he's town
ness= idk him/her but idk what to feel
Seroja= again lengthy posts sometimes but I understand what she is feeling right now..I mean i am a replacement too for chrissake.

did i miss something or something needs to be corrected? sorry if i missed everyone

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oops sorry missed three

kermit= idk what i feel about her yet but she seems nice as well
biscuit= i dont see him/her much
f11= i dont have any feels yet....

 

[Kirbystarship]

Ok I really don't wanna lynch someone wrong...so I am rereading all the posts , and I am just heady with this..Please bear with me ...This is totally different from Big Brother Mafia, and I wasn't really aware that town roles are not mentioned or what they are so I don't know who is who and who is what and what I can't do. I am trying to play the game right. all I know are the following:

Kirby = cop and he investigates
Kit= jack of all trades..what does she do? as jack of all trades
dolby = veteran so i see he is town
cleb is townie also a subway
kat=survivor
Karen= townleaned (ok who's karen?)
evan =idk (he has these lengthy posts i am trying to read lol)
ninja= everyone seems to be voting for him in threads based on kirby
zendel= idk too but he is nice so i think he's town
ness= idk him/her but idk what to feel
Seroja= again lengthy posts sometimes but I understand what she is feeling right now..I mean i am a replacement too for chrissake.

did i miss something or something needs to be corrected? sorry if i missed everyone

Karen is Kermittea

 

[amazonevan19]

Kit and kirby are counterclaiming for all intents and purposes. Kit is being incredibly shifty about his totally not cop claim (which we all know it was, come on), kirby counterclaimed, and while I kind of get karen's questioning the major attack on seroja, it still doesn't hold water IMO. When karen briefly commented on the cleb thing, it wasn't as big of a deal as it was when seroja entered the thread. When seroja entered, it was literally the biggest story in the two ongoing conflicts in the thread at the time. At least karen actually said SOMETHING about it even before it really exploded; seroja said almost nothing when it was a much bigger deal. Why we're letting seroja get away scot-free with this, I don't know, except if she *might* be GF.

The biggest thing I don't get after all of this is why we're not lynching between seroja and kit.

My preference in lynch order to gain the most information would be: Seroja, Kit, and Fireninja. Lynching fireninja seems like a good idea but it would gain us the least amount of info - if he's scum, it lends credence to Kirby, but we know nothing about seroja and kit's alignment. If he's town, it casts doubt on kirby but again, we learn nothing about kit and seroja. Lynching kit would expose seroja if kit flips scum, and would lend credence to Kirby's investigate on fireninja. If kit flips good, it would partially vindicate seroja, and cast serious doubt on kirby's result on fireninja. Lynching seroja would expose kit if seroja is maf, and probably confirm kit if seroja flips town, and cast heavy suspicion on kirby?s result, vindicating fireninja.

So lynching fireninja only tells us about one player's alignment, while lynching kit or seroja tells us about three player's alignments. Crazy cop and miller are very plausible scenarios in fireninja's case.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Karen is Kermittea

oh she is the one townleaned oh ok. sorry kermit i didnt knwow you are karen!

 

[Kit]

Kit is a girl

 

[moonford]

Quick question:

Why does the strongman role vary?

In the Steven Universe game it was an additional kill but people have pointed out that it's a back up kill sort of thing?

 

[Kit]

Also I had reasons for keeping JoAT a secret, didn't think Kirby was gonna try to counterclaim me

 

[N e s s]

she claimed JoaT after I posted that (I thought she was cop so your last sentence didn't apply at the time)

Um, yes it does apply actually. You said she was "probably scum with Seroja", yet you literally just admitted here in this post that you thought Kit was a cop yet you called her scum.

I was keeping an open mind because Seroja is my top scum lean right now and like you said it is a possibility so that's why I even said that in the first place.

So let me get this straight. You're telling me that saying a cop is "probably scum":

You're probably both scum tbh.

Is keeping an open mind? I don't believe that at all.

like you said it is a possibility so that's why I even said that in the first place.

It is a possibility, but I find you being scum more likely after reading your posts the past few pages.

 

[Seroja]

this list is going off the top of my head. I'll ISO everyone's post when I have the time and maybe make a case depending on what I find

1. FireNinja1 - Inspected by Kirby, returned antitown. Claimed Unaware Miller.
2. KirbyStarShip - Claimed Cop. I believe this because he was already a town lean.
3. Zendel - Was sus, but recent posts put him on null.
4. Amazonevan19 - Recent posts are look like genuinely confused town (cos of all the revelations) but his latest reads list didn't sit well with me. Put to null.
5. N e s s - Null not even leaning town anymore. I need to ISO his posts.
6. Seroja - Town
7. Dolby Microsoft the Veteran (Killed N1)
8. Kit- Town. I see no other reason why she would clear me is she's mafia. She stands to gain nothing by doing this, because I'm strongly scumread by most players.
9. Arsotzkan- TP. Please say something soon. Or will you just coast along from here onwards.
10. Biancasbotique- I don't know what to think. Null but leaning town.
11. xCleb Subway the Townie (Killed N1)
12. Biscuit_m8 - again, null. Please say something.
13. Ayaya Google the Framer (Lynched D1)
14. KermitTea- Confirmed town
15. f11- Most sus.

There are at least 3 scums left. ISO is in order.

Stop focusing so much on me yall are wasting your time.

 

[amazonevan19]

sorry for mixing up genders, it happens after a long day at work and when you're trying to analyze as a chaotic thread churns on

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also I would make an obligatory "did you just assume my gender" joke but I don't wanna junk up substantive discussion

 

[Seroja]

Kit and kirby are counterclaiming for all intents and purposes. Kit is being incredibly shifty about his totally not cop claim (which we all know it was, come on), kirby counterclaimed, and while I kind of get karen's questioning the major attack on seroja, it still doesn't hold water IMO. When karen briefly commented on the cleb thing, it wasn't as big of a deal as it was when seroja entered the thread. When seroja entered, it was literally the biggest story in the two ongoing conflicts in the thread at the time. At least karen actually said SOMETHING about it even before it really exploded; seroja said almost nothing when it was a much bigger deal. Why we're letting seroja get away scot-free with this, I don't know, except if she *might* be GF.

The biggest thing I don't get after all of this is why we're not lynching between seroja and kit.

My preference in lynch order to gain the most information would be: Seroja, Kit, and Fireninja. Lynching fireninja seems like a good idea but it would gain us the least amount of info - if he's scum, it lends credence to Kirby, but we know nothing about seroja and kit's alignment. If he's town, it casts doubt on kirby but again, we learn nothing about kit and seroja. Lynching kit would expose seroja if kit flips scum, and would lend credence to Kirby's investigate on fireninja. If kit flips good, it would partially vindicate seroja, and cast serious doubt on kirby's result on fireninja. Lynching seroja would expose kit if seroja is maf, and probably confirm kit if seroja flips town, and cast heavy suspicion on kirby?s result, vindicating fireninja.

So lynching fireninja only tells us about one player's alignment, while lynching kit or seroja tells us about three player's alignments. Crazy cop and miller are very plausible scenarios in fireninja's case.

The key word here is; I just freaking replaced the game. I posted my thoughts. and if you're still too blind to see past this simple factor, then I'll be forced to claim. It's like running around in circles. Use logic.

 

[moonford]

No I meant that I thought she was fake claiming cop to clear Seroja and she gave of the impression that she was cop, I thought Seroja was mafia (still do) and she was getting heat so it would make sense for that to happen.

And yes Ness I am having an open mind because I'm considering multiple possibilities.

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Ness' quote wasn't in my post, oops.

 

[Kit]

No I meant that I thought she was fake claiming cop to clear Seroja and she gave of the impression that she was cop, I thought Seroja was mafia (still do) and she was getting heat so it would make sense for that to happen.

And yes Ness I am having an open mind because I'm considering multiple possibilities.

I didn't say it outright but yes I was intending for people to assume I was cop.
I didn't expect the actual cop to immediately out themselves but I guess I should have taken that into consideration.

 

[amazonevan19]

@seroja You just replaced and read the thread yes. I know that. But the fact you could only give as a super brief passing shade throw on cleb (who's now confirmed) is worrying, when cleb v. ayaya was the central debate of the thread. Any replacement doing even the quickest of due diligence should have (and would have) said something more substantive if they had good intentions.

Also, go ahead and claim. Role names can be generated super easily and tell nothing of your actual alignment.

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*omit as, should read "you could only give a super..."

 

[N e s s]

No I meant that I thought she was fake claiming cop to clear Serojaand she gave of the impression that she was cop, I thought Seroja was mafia (still do) and she was getting heat so it would make sense for that to happen.

And yes Ness I am having an open mind because I'm considering multiple possibilities.

LOL you actually think someone would fakeclaim as Cop to save their partner when they could EASILY be counterclaimed especially when said partner isn't close to getting lynched at the start of day?

 

[Seroja]

@seroja You just replaced and read the thread yes. I know that. But the fact you could only give as a super brief passing shade throw on cleb (who's now confirmed) is worrying, when cleb v. ayaya was the central debate of the thread. Any replacement doing even the quickest of due diligence should have (and would have) said something more substantive if they had good intentions.

Also, go ahead and claim. Role names can be generated super easily and tell nothing of your actual alignment.

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*omit as, should read "you could only give a super..."

You're probably scum tbh. Fishing for claims.

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Daniel, I thought this is plurality vote, not majority?

 

[amazonevan19]

You're probably scum tbh. Fishing for claims.

uhm. Ahem.

I wasn't the one who suggested you should claim.

I posted my thoughts. and if you're still too blind to see past this simple factor, then I'll be forced to claim.

Which is, as I already stated, is practically worthless in this game since company names tell us nothing.

Also, nice seismic shift to scumreading me and not actually refuting or responding to any of my points.

 

[moonford]

LOL you actually think someone would fakeclaim as Cop to save their partner when they could EASILY be counterclaimed especially when said partner isn't close to getting lynched at the start of day?

Well it's a possibility and we should be expressing what we think.

And when you put it that way that would be a stupid thing all things consider especially after Kirby counterclaimed a few minutes. after. I was also working on a post simultaneously (regarding Seroja) so my thoughts were focused on that more, so it wouldn't make much sense after considering.

 

[KermitTea]

lol I don't trusts Karen's save that much but I'll save that for later. Fun is an instalynch though.

how bout you tell us why now

 

[Seroja]

uhm. Ahem.

I wasn't the one who suggested you should claim.



Which is, as I already stated, is practically worthless in this game since company names tell us nothing.

Also, nice seismic shift to scumreading me and not actually refuting or responding to any of my points.

What points? All of your points have been explained by me 1000000000x times. You're just too stubborn to see. I caught up to the thread in 1 hour 30 minutes since replacing the game. It was about 8 hours till EoD. I posted what was going through my head while I was reading the thread for the first time. I went to bed. It was 2 am by the time I'm done and I was sleepy.

If you're just gonna get hung up on that one stupid detail that I've explained to death and ignore all of my other contributions and calls for discussions of other scummy people, then you're really not being helpful to town at all.

Yes Cleb is confirmed NOW that he's dead. But I am town. Was I supposed to know he was town? Was I supposed to know Aya was scum? Those were my thoughts at the time and I stand by them! Now if you still think I'm godfather or whatever fine, but I will not waste my time on this anymore.