Nintendo forcing online membership on solo players!

[moonolotl]

in all honestly, i dont get why people get super upset at these sort of threads. yes, constant negativity can be annoying but the reason why i come to TBT is to have discussion about the game thats not present on other forums or groups. we should be talking about these things like economics and ac politics, not necessarily if TT is bad or not for the 172728th time.

Oh definitely! I completely agree we do need to talk about the negatives, but its when people only ever focus on every tiny little bad thing in the game or in the community, especially when its repeated over and over again.
It puts people down

 

[lucitine]

While i do agree with your points i also think thelonewanderer has become quite a well known and predictable person, so im not super surprised
I also remember hearing him talk about NSO before, and so that also makes it a bit more predictable
I dont think the person who said that was intentionally trying to chase away anyone or bully anyone, i just think OP has made a name for himself and people are starting to take notice

I'd like to also point out that posts like these could very well be driving people who have something to share away. I know I personally have gotten really frustrated with quality of the posts that I honestly thought about just leaving...not that I have anything good to share =P

 

[meggiewes]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there's a fine line between just having some negative opinions and only being negative =\
I think a lot of people are just tired of the constant negative posts (not just from OP but in general) and it doesn't help that OP is contributing to it quite a bit.

That doesn't mean people have to be antagonistic to each other though. I do agree there is a difference between negative opinions and being negative just for the sake of being negative. Is it a tough call? Yeah, it is.

I can empathize with being tired of the barrage of negative posts. I feel it too. That's when I take a break from social sites.

I just don't think it is quite fair to have someone be piled up on to the point that they leave the site because of it.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was too harsh.

 

[lucitine]

Oh definitely! I completely agree we do need to talk about the negatives, but its when people only ever focus on every tiny little bad thing in the game or in the community, especially when its repeated over and over again.
It puts people down

And keeping in mind that the OP for this particular thread was never meant for a discussion. The tone of the first post was 100% "Nintendo sucks, I hate it, they are just greedy, let's all talk cr*p"

There are ways to start a discussion but this is not it..

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That doesn't mean people have to be antagonistic to each other though. I do agree there is a difference between negative opinions and being negative just for the sake of being negative. Is it a tough call? Yeah, it is.

I can empathize with being tired of the barrage of negative posts. I feel it too. That's when I take a break from social sites.

I just don't think it is quite fair to have someone be piled up on to the point that they leave the site because of it.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was too harsh.

Nah, I totally get where you're coming from. I just thought I'd share another POV.

 

[ali.di.magix]

I feel like one of the only people who literally doesn't care about the online subscription. I do admit it does suck that you have to pay for a service that really doesn't have a whole lot of benefits. But like I paid for subscription about 6 months ago and now don't have to worry about it until a next year passes, I pretty much forget about the whole cost thing. It's a one-off cost that really isn't that heavy on the wallet. If you want the extra features and online trading, just suck it up and pay the extra $20 USD.

 

[Maruchan]

I'd like to think that this whiny negativeness is probably one of OP's online persona. They might not even be a new member.
Whatever they have been doing is for our sake, come to think of it: bring up some controversial topics, let it rise, stir, then slowly die down. Rinse and repeat. This 'freshens up' the forum atmosphere as it sure gives everyone something to talk about, while earning shiny forum Bells doing that. Quite thoughtful and entertaining (although probably unintended lol)

that said

This is a genuine question... Is Animal Crossing even fun for you? I've only seen you talk about doom and gloom regarding the game so I'm not sure you're even enjoying it.

Yeah the exact same thought occurred to me too! I'd feel really bad for myself if I have to play a game that I dislike so much...either take a break, or better yet, return the whole thing, console and the game/accessories, online or in store. Exchange for something else. There is nothing stopping us from keep enjoying AC New Leaf - we do NOT have to get into the hype of AC New Horizon.

Perhaps try Stardew Valley? That's one amazing game and no online subscription needed.
I hope OP feels better soon, and will enjoy whatever game they are playing. C:

 

[solace]

I actually like John Wick and agreed with him 90% of the time. I have also agreed with the thelonewanderer on maybe one occasion. I think when people know your name and associate with something whether positive or negative they will respond. It's like that marketing strategy, Rule of Seven: when people hear something 7 times they'll take action or notice.

I do not agree with bullying, but I do agree with making a statement, being able to hold your ground and defend your position. To leave a blanket statement on a forum, where people are tired of hearing the same old whiny bits, and then not responding is leaving yourself wide open.

 

[Fridaynightcatlady]

I’m confused as to why people decide to engage with this user. Most of his threads and comments yell “troll” miles ahead. I’d suggest to leave this user be.

 

[moonolotl]

I’m confused as to why people decide to engage with this user. Most of his threads and comments yell “troll” miles ahead. I’d suggest to leave this user be.

to some people it doesnt. Sure, when you look deeper into what hes done, maybe, but it may just appear hes angry and/or passionate

 

[skogkyst]

I don't know if it's really malicious on the part of Nintendo, but I feel like them pushing towards online is just them wanted to encourage community. If it's lead to some bad design decisions, which may well be the case, then obviously it's not perfect, but I'm not too unhappy overall with Nintendo's balance of online/off-line for this title.

 

[Red Cat]

I don't know if Nintendo deliberately nerfed some insect spawns to push people toward Nintendo Online, but with all of the annoying glitches that have been in NH, it is curious that Nintendo is using time and resources to alter bug spawn rates when almost no one was complaining about having too many peacock butterflies or not enough stinkbugs spawning on their island.

Furthermore, these patches do not "balance" the game; they actually do the opposite. When some people find an exploit in the game to make bells more quickly, they get to abuse it and cash in and then Nintendo comes in and pulls the rug out from everyone else. I got the game a week after launch and just started breeding blue/black hybrids to spawn peacock butterflies, so I never really got to do any peacock farming. People who got the game at launch and were able to abuse duping, tarantula island, ABD interest, and peacock farming as much as possible while they were available have a major leg up on people who started more recently or reset their island. The early bird gets the worm, otherwise you're just SOL.

These changes also don't encourage people to stop grinding for long periods of time; they do the opposite as well. You better take advantage of things like the money tree, fishing, and turnips as much as you can while you can, because Nintendo may rain on your parade in the next update and nerf those things too. Instead of encouraging people to take the game at their own pace, Nintendo is artificially creating a FOMO sense of urgency for players with all of the changes they are making to the game.

If Nintendo's goal was to stop people from gaining bells too quickly, the #1 thing they could have done was nerf turnip prices, but they didn't do that which is why a lot of people believe the conspiracy theories. Tortimer island in NL was never "balanced" or "fixed" in a patch, and NL was just fine, so I don't know why Nintendo is just now intervening in the IGB economy. NH is still a very good game, but it's fair to criticize Nintendo for doing so many questionable things with NH.

 

[moonolotl]

I don't know if Nintendo deliberately nerfed some insect spawns to push people toward Nintendo Online, but with all of the annoying glitches that have been in NH, it is curious that Nintendo is using time and resources to alter bug spawn rates when almost no one was complaining about having too many peacock butterflies or not enough stinkbugs spawning on their island.

No one was complaining because that was a good thing for money. Nintendo thought it wasnt balanced enough/it was a mistake on their part and so they fixed it. We can go into whether that was a good choice or not another time but my point is they dont have to patch something out because of people complaining about stuff

 

[Envy]

I've run into quite a few valuable butterflies in my playtime today. I think I caught several Agrias(?) butterflies, which are supposed to be rarer than even Peacock butterflies, right?

 

[moonolotl]

I've run into quite a few valuable butterflies in my playtime today. I think I caught several Agrias(?) butterflies, which are supposed to be rarer than even Peacock butterflies, right?

Im gonna be honest i think people are exaggerating the issue a little bit. It's not like peacock butterflies are gone entirely. I definihtely feel for those people who relied on things like the butterflies and such who now might struggle to get used to a different source of income but if nintendo felt the need to patch it out then it must not have been something they intended to be such a moneymaker

 

[Envy]

Im gonna be honest i think people are exaggerating the issue a little bit. It's not like peacock butterflies are gone entirely. I definihtely feel for those people who relied on things like the butterflies and such who now might struggle to get used to a different source of income but if nintendo felt the need to patch it out then it must not have been something they intended to be such a moneymaker

I admit I have played the online stock market a couple of times, but the max I got was a few hundred thousand bells, not the millions that most people are shooting for. In reality, I am taking the game at a slow pace and the vast majority of my income has been through bugs and fish. So, this nerf should actually effect me, but when I played today I wasn't noticing any problems. Sure the Peacock Butterflies are greatly reduced in number, but I still ran into lots of the Paper Kite (or whatever they're called) butterflies which I believe sell for $1000 bells a piece (either way, I've always caught them), so I still get a bit of profit anyway. Enough to satisfy me. I end up running into the rarer ones on enough occasion to not be bothered, as well.

TBH, the biggest blow to me was the transition from March to April, because the Emperor Butterflies were my largest source of income in March. They disappeared in April, and the Peacock Butterflies were the "make-do" butterflies.

 

[moonolotl]

I admit I have played the online stock market a couple of times, but the max I got was a few hundred thousand bells, not the millions that most people are shooting for. In reality, I am taking the game at a slow pace and the vast majority of my income has been through bugs and fish. So, this nerf should actually effect me, but when I played today I wasn't noticing any problems. Sure the Peacock Butterflies are greatly reduced in number, but I still ran into lots of the Paper Kite (or whatever they're called) butterflies which I believe sell for $1000 bells a piece (either way, I've always caught them), so I still get a bit of profit anyway. Enough to satisfy me. I end up running into the rarer ones on enough occasion to not be bothered, as well.

TBH, the biggest blow to me was the transition from March to April, because the Emperor Butterflies were my largest source of income in March. They disappeared in April, and the Peacock Butterflies were the "make-do" butterflies.

i definitely agree! I've been relying on the stock market more in april so i cant 100% comment on whether the peacock butterfly spawn rates affected me or not, but the april change definitely did and i can imagine just the loss of emperor butterflies would be worse. However, that's not a bug or a fault of nintendo, its just how the bugs work in real life i guess???

 

[Mairen]

I don't see it as Nintendo forcing its users to an online subscription strictly through this game. It's simply the direction that today's technology and the gaming community is heading. And while I mean no disrespect to anyone who's either in an area where they don't have internet access or cannot afford internet, but this is 2020, not 1992. When I visit family in the mountainous regions of Poland, they have wifi for goodness sake. Nintendo has always been about "playing together". It started off back in the 90s with gameboys and link cables, and the technology has only made it easier and easier for us. Yes, I'd rather this would be free, and I felt a bit annoyed when I first heard that we were going to be charged for it, but I got over that annoyance very quickly when I discovered just how much fun I had. And come on, it's only $4 a month, if you can afford a system, and the games, that's not really that painful of a number in the grand scope of things.

Also thelonewanderer, I do support you being on this forum and I hope you won't let this negativity from some of the people here ever make you feel less than welcome. Even if you typically only have negative things to say about this game, I can still tell you are passionate about this series. You bring up some interesting topics that really gets the discussions flowing sometimes.

 

[Raz]

I admit I have played the online stock market a couple of times, but the max I got was a few hundred thousand bells, not the millions that most people are shooting for. In reality, I am taking the game at a slow pace and the vast majority of my income has been through bugs and fish. So, this nerf should actually effect me, but when I played today I wasn't noticing any problems. Sure the Peacock Butterflies are greatly reduced in number, but I still ran into lots of the Paper Kite (or whatever they're called) butterflies which I believe sell for $1000 bells a piece (either way, I've always caught them), so I still get a bit of profit anyway. Enough to satisfy me. I end up running into the rarer ones on enough occasion to not be bothered, as well.

TBH, the biggest blow to me was the transition from March to April, because the Emperor Butterflies were my largest source of income in March. They disappeared in April, and the Peacock Butterflies were the "make-do" butterflies.

Do you know exactly what I have to do to make the peacock butterfly to spawn? I have some black and purple roses but I've never seen one of these butterflies before.

I'm on the southern hemisphere, if that's important.

 

[Red Cat]

No one was complaining because that was a good thing for money. Nintendo thought it wasnt balanced enough/it was a mistake on their part and so they fixed it. We can go into whether that was a good choice or not another time but my point is they dont have to patch something out because of people complaining about stuff

Nintendo shouldn't be very concerned about "balance" in Animal Crossing since it's not designed to be a competitive game; Nintendo should be trying to make the game more fun. Most of the glitches are not fun, so those should be the priority for Nintendo to patch. Reducing the Bunny Day balloon spawn rate in a patch was good because most people were not having fun getting spammed with balloons. Reducing the peacock spawn rate does not make the game more fun and for a lot of people it makes the game less fun. I realize that the game is less fun if it's too easy to make bells, but it's also not fun if it's too hard to make bells. Peacock butterflies were not so insanely broken that reducing their spawn rate was necessary. Catching butterflies is an enjoyable way to make bells, but only if the payout is enough to make it worth the time. The stalk market is less fun and feels more grindy even though it's faster, so pushing people toward making bells that way makes the game less fun for most people.

 

[moonolotl]

Do you know exactly what I have to do to make the peacock butterfly to spawn? I have some black and purple roses but I've never seen one of these butterflies before.

I'm on the southern hemisphere, if that's important.

they might not be in season? they spawn from hybrids normally
maybe the spawn rates are even lower in southern hemisphere april

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Nintendo shouldn't be very concerned about "balance" in Animal Crossing since it's not designed to be a competitive game; Nintendo should be trying to make the game more fun. Most of the glitches are not fun, so those should be the priority for Nintendo to patch. Reducing the Bunny Day balloon spawn rate in a patch was good because most people were not having fun getting spammed with balloons. Reducing the peacock spawn rate does not make the game more fun and for a lot of people it makes the game less fun. I realize that the game is less fun if it's too easy to make bells, but it's also not fun if it's too hard to make bells. Peacock butterflies were not so insanely broken that reducing their spawn rate was necessary. Catching butterflies is an enjoyable way to make bells, but only if the payout is enough to make it worth the time. The stalk market is less fun and feels more grindy even though it's faster, so pushing people toward making bells that way makes the game less fun for most people.

Its not a competitive game, no. but the balance is important because its an economy and it also affects how quickly you progress. If you get too much money too quickly people might end up growing bored, is what i imagine theyre thinking
And they did focus on bugs/glitches, they didnt completely ignore them