I really don't know a lot about Japanese laws & politics, but the prices people will have to pay for violating these new rules seem quite a bit out there.
I can understand the reasoning to an extent, but I think that once a person possess a game console and it's past it's life, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. I'm a huge fan of AR, Homebrew, etc. so if that stuff ever gets outlawed in the states I'll be really irritated.
I vehemently disagree with this law. In order to mod a console, I still have to purchase it from a vendor like Gamestop who has bought it from the console makers such as Nintendo. They have transferred their ownership of that specific console over to me and I should be able to do whatever I want with it. They have already made their profits on that unit. Of course the story is different if I mod the console to be able to play pirated games, but it is the pirated games which are the problem, not the fact I modded my console. A lot of modding is simply people creating custom content. Congratulations, you turned a well-meaning group of people into a bunch of criminals. These people also tend to be some of your most prolific fans, so great job alienating them.
I could probably write an entire book about why I despise laws like this, but I think I'll stop here before my post turns into a 10 paragraph rant.
I wonder how that’s going to affect those outside of Japan. Does that ban mean localization companies and retailers from other countries should adapt to that law too, despite not applying here?
Really ironic cause they basically get all the cool eg. event Pok?mon served on a silver platter. Also yeah overkill, put your efforts on something else.
I can understand the reasoning to an extent, but I think that once a person possess a game console and it's past it's life, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. I'm a huge fan of AR, Homebrew, etc. so if that stuff ever gets outlawed in the states I'll be really irritated.
I honestly think this is a bad law mostly because it is impossible to truly enforce. Do they honestly think they should give police the right to get a search warrant to check people's video game consoles in their homes and seize them? xD I also think that enforcing a cheat device ban would be impossible since there is probably millions of them in the Japanese market and I think that it would be silly to criminalize anyone that has one (especially if someone ignorantly traded one at a shop or something).
So it's these times that I truly wish you were here so you could explain what I want to say with your organized, convincing and completely rational beautiful words, not like my bad spotty English ugghhh... *sigh*
However.
I'm hands down agreeing with these new amendments.
I have said this in some other threads too, but, I honestly don't see why you guys don't see, that it's a matter of respect. :c
Let's say, here's this nice user honeyaura ( sorry hon, this is just an instance 'cause you draw hearty stuff! hope you wouldn't mind! ) who draws. She draws nice pictures and you pay for her commission. She gives you what she drew and you paid for. So you should be able to change its color/add something there/etc./whatever you want with this product ( in this case drawing )? Because you paid for it and you're the owner?
I know most of you guys wouldn't do that if it was a drawing someone put efforts into and you bought. You wouldn't, or at least wouldn't you ask them if it's okay to modify it?
Game software is a product which A LOT of professional people threw in A LOT of time and efforts. The right, to the design of the system should still belong to them, even if YOU are the owner.
No offense but I see it America's disease.
A person who was from US and I made friends with very first time told me when we were having discussion about cultural difference.
"I don't know why, but in our head - in most of America's citizen's head, it's being like, that we have to own everything / we are supposed to have control on anything we want."
I've seen this as backbone in a lot of discussion, and in my opinion, it's wrong and silly. It's a matter of respect, to the ones ( be it a person or company ) who made that product.
Also. Being impossible to enforce in terms of actual management doesn't mean it's bad law. In the first place, is there any law that's perfectly enforce-able to crimes? Criminals make the crime, sometimes they get caught, sometimes they don't. Don't you see it if you think about some violent crimes, like rape or steal? Not all of them get caught. And as Master says, yes it'd be impossible to find ALL of those acts. So, that's not the point of this law. The point is, the side who made the product is saying "No, please don't do that", to your modding. You see?
Overly strong punishment is because, one: it's the maximum case. I mean, "At most this could happen". Two, they being able to claim this charge against you if it's figured that you're doing it, that means "Seriously don't".
Why they had to emphasize that much was because, not few people are disrespectful to this right of them, to their work/product, I think.
-p.s.-
To avoid possible negative feelings by possible misinterpretation from the word criminal I used, I'm gonna add this quote from one episode in the show "Better Call Saul!" ( It's my fav show haha )
"I've known good criminals and bad cops. Bad priests, honorable thieves. You can be one side of the law or the other. Good one, bad one? That's up to you."
@yuki, I think it's a bit difference between painting and actual game where for example they suck at organizing and localization a lot of stuff which is the primary reason I would even think of doing that with Pok?mon games (I actually did a lot in gen 4/5). There are so many events and items etc. they could just have done via Wi-fi or serial codes worldwide, and limiting them to Japan or physical Japanese games and items(like sending codes with specific magazines) etc. is dumb. Which again makes banning stuff in Japan even more ironic lmfao.
As for painting, I think there are lots more respect because then you get/buy the piece as is and knows what to expect and you don't go alter it. And I highly doubt people would make 7 different versions for different regions just so people buy one of each considering how even more work that is. Also I don't think artists offer wi-fi items or send stuff with codes in country-specific magazine either when it comes to that (correct me if I'm wrong or if it doesn't make sense but basically).
But yeah if it's a game/console known with bad events for US/Europe then yeah boi sure I would hack if I could. I mean gaming industry need to step up and organize such stuff better, and release it. I mean we don't pay for 3ds wifi events or codes mostly so why can't they just put out one code for each region and stop making so many exclusives? If it's for making money that is just greedy if they think can afford 5 different 3ds's for example.
@yuki, I think it's a bit difference between painting and actual game where for example they suck at organizing and localization a lot of stuff which is the primary reason I would even think of doing that with Pok?mon games (I actually did a lot in gen 4/5). There are so many events and items etc. they could just have done via Wi-fi or serial codes worldwide, and limiting them to Japan or physical Japanese games and items(like sending codes with specific magazines) etc. is dumb. Which again makes banning stuff in Japan even more ironic lmfao.
As for painting, I think there are lots more respect because then you get/buy the piece as is and knows what to expect and you don't go alter it. And I highly doubt people would make 7 different versions for different regions just so people buy one of each considering how even more work that is. Also I don't think artists offer wi-fi items or send stuff with codes in country-specific magazine either when it comes to that (correct me if I'm wrong or if it doesn't make sense but basically).
But yeah if it's a game/console known with bad events for US/Europe then yeah boi sure I would hack if I could. I mean gaming industry need to step up and organize such stuff better, and release it. I mean we don't pay for 3ds wifi events or codes mostly so why can't they just put out one code for each region and stop making so many exclusives? If it's for making money that is just greedy if they think can afford 5 different 3ds's for example.
Okay, let's break it down. I know this is gonna sound somewhat philosophic though.
I brought up drawings as a metaphor so it points out that the plots are the same, didn't mean as comparison of actual distributing/selling systems. So, it's like, cake is cake regardless of what topping is on it, if it's choco chips or strawberry bits, cake is cake. I mean, how to view it, that's what I meant.
Picked it up as a metaphor, even with using actual member's name, so in the hope it could possibly get you guys see the point realistically/familiar. Fragile hope though.
What the topping is doesn't matter when you observe/think about the base concept, regardless if it's rare Pokemon, item/villager in NL, drawing, or whatever. The point is the same.
"Is it right thinking process, to try to get/to think you should be able to get, what you want at any situation?"
Maybe this involves cultural difference, I guess. Modesty is our basic virtue, our, Japanese'.
When you want something, try to reach your hands, and it's out of your reach, you're supposed to give up. That's our basic concept in general.
Then here, the other thing - the actual situation why it's out of your reach - comes on the table.
I don't know a lot about Pokemon games but, doesn't the game like Pokemon or NL have a function that lets you do the trade globally? That's what they provide as an alternative plan, instead of directly getting the code or distributing it through wifi.
I'm not CEO of game company, so it's not that I can assure like "this is the reason". But as the engineer who worked for a big corporation for long, at least I see some points.
1. Big corporation is possible to run by stock market. That means, for example, Nintendo Japan and Nintendo US/EU are different individual company! Think it like this : You and your best thot are good friends. So? So you can spend their forum bells as you like? Or they can push you to the things they think you'd better buy? The answer is obviously no. You have your plan, and they have their plan. Different individual companies. But since they're like siblings, they like to work together. That's how the world wide games are made, mostly. That doesn't mean Nintendo Japan can push Nintendo US/EU to their plan. That's one of actual reasons as to why distribution of specific stuff in game has restriction. And, in order to solve this disadvantage, they provide said function - trade.
2. I'm not knowledgeable at all when it comes to how many percentage of stocks the company owns of the other. But I'm certain both corporations of each regions own each other's stock to a certain percentage. This percentage and its daily value affects to who has more leads for the decision of each plans.
3. Even if, the game company in Japan plans to make the distribution of stuff world wide, it's not always possible due to various walls. Such as, the right of a certain item that they produced by tie-up with outside company. And the difference in base thinking process/common sense, or the means to assure that the stuff can be distributed through wifi or magazines in each countries due to difference in infrastructure, of actual transportation system/charge/or network, etc.
It couldn't be assured, that everyone can gain what they want. Some can and some can't. And, when you can't seem to get your hands on it,
- You give up, this is how the base concept of us Japanese virtue.
- You go out of your way, in order to get that stuff no matter what, this is how a lot of US people think.
Because you want it and unfortunately can't get it legitimately, it doesn't mean so you can go through infringement of interests. That's what I was trying to say. Hope it makes sense.
Also, if there's any wrong expression that sounds offensive, it's all due to my low ability of English. No any intention to offend anyone!
You know my bias about dealing with one hacker in a previous AC community. It goes back further in a Pok?mon community. Off and on for many years someone would keep trying to get our breeding leftovers to get ahold of user data, even sniping gts trades, so he could hack stuff with our ID numbers out of spite, because we didn't want his hacked crap. So this is less of a bias and more of a long standing grudge. I believe I've said enough.
Yeah, I guess we don't have "give up" thing, nor do we just 'deal with it'. And yeah, sure you can trade but considering how hard it is to even reach some of those events/code Pok?mon unless you get really lucky on the internet and finds the right people from the right countries etc. I totally understand if people hack or mod. And yeah you can order a Japanese 3ds (I had one at one point), but then you need the game + all extra stuff they release codes and such with.
What I meant was that and why I took Pok?mon and you could add Splatoon 2 here considering latest threads, is that if Nintendo as a company is different in different countries etc. they could very well organize their events or just make everything region free at least with wi-fi codes, or make eg. CoroCoro codes be valid in all regions no matter what. Or just go together in all regions to make an event department, I dunno. Also they should definitely push harder on countries to release or just co-ordinate better as for events.
And yeah if I get a drawing from someone I wouldn't dream of editing unless I get their permission to do so? Why, because it's their art, and they don't run shady gaming business where they would make as I said many different versions for different people depending on where they live etc. If I get a drawing it's theirs and I keep as is. And yeah I think the art comparison is a bit weird too, since they put work in one piece and gives/displays it as it is meant to be and don't do like 'lol buy latest corocoro and get an exclusive frame for it JAPAN ONLY' or whatever ****. I've gotten art from people and it's then and there as the artist intended it to be and most people show respect for the work. Now there are art thieves but those are probably unskilled and jealous of talent rather than just groaning over companies doing events. And the mentality in general is different between art and games anyway, so.
And don't worry about your English/grammar, I think I got your post and I've seen worse.
Yeah, I guess we don't have "give up" thing, nor do we just 'deal with it'. And yeah, sure you can trade but considering how hard it is to even reach some of those events/code Pok?mon unless you get really lucky on the internet and finds the right people from the right countries etc. I totally understand if people hack or mod. And yeah you can order a Japanese 3ds (I had one at one point), but then you need the game + all extra stuff they release codes and such with.
What I meant was that and why I took Pok?mon and you could add Splatoon 2 here considering latest threads, is that if Nintendo as a company is different in different countries etc. they could very well organize their events or just make everything region free at least with wi-fi codes, or make eg. CoroCoro codes be valid in all regions no matter what. Or just go together in all regions to make an event department, I dunno. Also they should definitely push harder on countries to release or just co-ordinate better as for events.
And yeah if I get a drawing from someone I wouldn't dream of editing unless I get their permission to do so? Why, because it's their art, and they don't run shady gaming business where they would make as I said many different versions for different people depending on where they live etc. If I get a drawing it's theirs and I keep as is. And yeah I think the art comparison is a bit weird too, since they put work in one piece and gives/displays it as it is meant to be and don't do like 'lol buy latest corocoro and get an exclusive frame for it JAPAN ONLY' or whatever ****. I've gotten art from people and it's then and there as the artist intended it to be and most people show respect for the work. Now there are art thieves but those are probably unskilled and jealous of talent rather than just groaning over companies doing events. And the mentality in general is different between art and games anyway, so.
And don't worry about your English/grammar, I think I got your post and I've seen worse.
