Ferguson: Your Thoughts.

[oath2order]

i believe what puppy is trying to is that if you hold harmful views, you should be reprimanded for them. freedom of religion is NOTHING LIKE racism and they are incomparable. if you do have racist views, i would imagine you would keep them to yourself or to the privacy of friends and not boast on social media that you're glad ferguson is burning or that mike brown deserved to die for being a well you know, the n word. when you're working for a company, you represent them as a whole. you have to act professional, and racism is far from it.

you have do have a right to have an opinion- to hold certain views... but you should be held accountable for your actions. if your information is wide spread on social media, then someone does have the right to call your job and complain about the views you hold bc it's harmful to both the consumer and the company.

So basically, what I'm getting from you, is that if you think the wrong way, you're not allowed to have a job.

 

[radical6]

So basically, what I'm getting from you, is that if you think the wrong way, you're not allowed to have a job.

thats their own fault for posting it. companies dont want a bad rep. if one of their workers is a racist bigot, then people are likely to stop shopping there. besides, some companies monitor your social media anyway lmao. it teaches them a lesson. mostly happens to teens and young adults from what ive seen however

 

[Marmoset]

Racist ideology is dangerous and should never be justified with that whole "freedom of belief" speech. Allowing people to hold these ideas can essentially lead to the support of racism.

"Freedom" is limited, for a good reason. Let us remember the eugenics movement, WW2, slavery. All of these things began with dangerous ideas. You may think "well they can think these things so long as it doesnt hurt anyone" but as SOON as you allow these things to pass through the process of hurt begins on an emotional level and will escalate to something so much more dangerous.

So yes, of course someone should be fired if they hold racist ideology and should be punished publically. Why? Imagine how much worse things could get if it were to continue.

Dangerous ideas can lead to dangerous actions.

 

[Angelmarina]

I'm honestly just tired of people claiming its racial discrimination. Crimes like these happen everyday with people of all races and they don't make the news. Thats all I'm saying, and I'm also tired of the fact that when cases like these make the news everyone on my facebook, twitter, and etc. suddenly become lawyers. Like really? I'm a criminology major right now, and its really interesting looking at who and what people blame for cases like Ferguson, because most of the time its speculation. Also just a note, I'm not racist, my adopted mom actually knows Trayvon Martin's family, so I have seen both sides of cases like these, I just think they shouldn't be the only ones that people blow up and protest about.

 

[wintersoldier]

So basically, what I'm getting from you, is that if you think the wrong way, you're not allowed to have a job.

ok that's not what i said. i honestly don't care if your views are different from mine, but when you say harmful, toxic things you should be punished for your actions. consumers do have the right to not eat at a certain restaurants or shop at a store if they know the company is willfully employing someone without giving them consequences for their actions. you have the right to an opinion, but you deserve to be reprimanded if what you say is harmful (i know i keep using this word, but honestly.)

a racist opinion is not the same as freedom of religion, or comparable to someone's religious beliefs.

 

[oath2order]

thats their own fault for posting it. companies dont want a bad rep. if one of their workers is a racist bigot, then people are likely to stop shopping there. besides, some companies monitor your social media anyway lmao. it teaches them a lesson. mostly happens to teens and young adults from what ive seen however

Okay so the thought police is active then.

Don't think the wrong way or you deserve to be fired.

 

[Marmoset]

More like don't be a racist. There is a huge difference in thinking peanuts are nasty versus thinking one race is inferior to another. Because guess what? One potentially leads to situations we have seen throughout history that cause millions to be murdered. The other leads to you not eating peanuts.

Freedom of belief is not what you think it is.

 

[oath2order]

More like don't be a racist. There is a huge difference in thinking peanuts are nasty versus thinking one race is inferior to another. Because guess what? One potentially leads to situations we have seen throughout history that cause millions to be murdered. The other leads to you not eating peanuts.

Freedom of belief is not what you think it is.

Yes it is. You have every right to believe whatever the hell you want and you really shouldn't be fired for it unless you act on said beliefs in a way that harms others. If you're simply thinking "I don't like black people", then why should you be fired for that if you don't act on it?

I'd consider it similar to firing someone over their political beliefs.

 

[wintersoldier]

I'm honestly just tired of people claiming its racial discrimination. Crimes like these happen everyday with people of all races and they don't make the news. Thats all I'm saying, and I'm also tired of the fact that when cases like these make the news everyone on my facebook, twitter, and etc. suddenly become lawyers. Like really? I'm a criminology major right now, and its really interesting looking at who and what people blame for cases like Ferguson, because most of the time its speculation. Also just a note, I'm not racist, my adopted mom actually knows Trayvon Martin's family, so I have seen both sides of cases like these, I just think they shouldn't be the only ones that people blow up and protest about.

lol ok you know i've tried to stay calm in this thread but i can't when you say it's not about race. it is about race, of course it's about race. people have tried to excuse mike brown's death by painting him as a thug, a thief, a criminal. the word thug is used to dehumanize black men, it's just another synonym for the n word. you honestly can't tell me it's not about race.

i don't know why you bother pointing out other cases that happen each and every day. i honestly don't understand why people do that? can we not focus on one thing at a time? just because people are protesting for mike brown, doesn't mean there's no concern for other people who have lost their lives to police brutality.

honestly, i want to remain civil with you... but i'm just tired of this whole debate about it not being about race when it clearly is. if it's not about race, then the media wouldn't turn brown into a caricature- as if he wasn't worth anything. it is about race, this case is about race. i don't even know why you had to specify that you're not racist, i doubt anyone was going to accuse you, but ok.

 

[Marmoset]

@Oath: You desperately need to brush up on your history and question your own views if you really think this way. Dangerous thoughts can lead to dangerous actions as I said before. Do they all do?No. But passing this down to future generations is horrifying. Question yourself sometime.

 

[oath2order]

@Oath: You desperately need to brush up on your history and question your own views if you really think this way. Dangerous thoughts can lead to dangerous actions as I said before. Do they all do?No. But passing this down to future generations is horrifying. Question yourself sometime.

You know what else is dangerous? Hiring and firing over what people believe and think.

 

[Marmoset]

Firing or potential ideology that could lead to the death of millions.... hm..... and firing is worse?

Here's a thought: dont be racist, and then you get to keep your job and no one is senslessly killed. Everyone wins!

 

[oath2order]

Firing or potential ideology that could lead to the death of millions.... hm..... and firing is worse?

Let me ask a few questions.

Do you support companies hiring and firing over what people believe? Please answer this with a simple yes or no.

Do you think that anybody who is racist but doesn't act on their racist thoughts, should be fired and deserves to not be hired?

 

[Marmoset]

If it involves racist ideology then yes. They should be reprimanded. Doesn't matter if they act on it or not. When they pass this type of thing doen to future generations history repeats itself.

Seriously. History. It is important. You are ignoring it in your argument and it honestly needs to be addressed.

I dont know if this is true but right now you sound like you support racist ideology...

Think about what you say and allow others to do. Have a good night.

 

[Angelmarina]

lol ok you know i've tried to stay calm in this thread but i can't when you say it's not about race. it is about race, of course it's about race. people have tried to excuse mike brown's death by painting him as a thug, a thief, a criminal. the word thug is used to dehumanize black men, it's just another synonym for the n word. you honestly can't tell me it's not about race.

i don't know why you bother pointing out other cases that happen each and every day. i honestly don't understand why people do that? can we not focus on one thing at a time? just because people are protesting for mike brown, doesn't mean there's no concern for other people who have lost their lives to police brutality.

honestly, i want to remain civil with you... but i'm just tired of this whole debate about it not being about race when it clearly is. if it's not about race, then the media wouldn't turn brown into a caricature- as if he wasn't worth anything. it is about race, this case is about race. i don't even know why you had to specify that you're not racist, i doubt anyone was going to accuse you, but ok.

It's about race because we make it to be, we make stereotypes, we call people names like thug, thief, cracker, the n word, yellow, and red neck. These are terms WE have made, and WE classify people like this. I never said that it was right with how they 'painted' him to be but you have to understand, the media does this to people and thats why other cases are so important! The media turns the innocent into monsters because for them they get paid to make up people's minds for them. Also, it's the prosecutions job to do the same. Honestly, I am sure that Michael Brown was a good person who was put into a stereotype, but you can't attack me because of my opinion. I just don't think the case should be about race. Cops are trained to shoot when their life is in danger, I'm not saying he was right to shoot in the situation, and I'm not justifying his actions but the cops have been there for weeks now trying to stop the rioting and calm down the citizens, thats extreme stressful, feel free to disagree though.

Also, the n word and criminal are not the same thing! People are criminals but they are not always the n word and if the n word is a touchy subject then it shouldn't be used at all, but the plain fact it that there are older generations that stick higher to their beliefs and some of them are racist, it's why we call people what we do, thats where most of the stereotypes originate and they teach that to their kids. I'm just tired of everything being racial, it's only when race is a huge thing in the case that it becomes this big.

I specified just in case someone did try to make that claim. And I am being civil, you can't fight with someone on their opinions or beliefs, we have them for a reason, and the odds of them changing are slim. Just agree to disagree.

 

[oath2order]

See, the thing about your argument is that once you open the gates to hiring and firing for one type of belief, then it is absolutely hypocritical to say that you can't hire or fire someone for something you support.

Let's say someone was fired for being in support of homosexuality. I can assume you wouldn't be in support of that. Homophobia is major problem, just like racism.

I'm sorry, the way I see it, is that you can either have it so that companies are allowed to hire and fire based on beliefs or you can't.

 

[Angelmarina]

See, the thing about your argument is that once you open the gates to hiring and firing for one type of belief, then it is absolutely hypocritical to say that you can't hire or fire someone for something you support.

Let's say someone was fired for being in support of homosexuality. I can assume you wouldn't be in support of that. Homophobia is major problem, just like racism.

I'm sorry, the way I see it, is that you can either have it so that companies are allowed to hire and fire based on beliefs or you can't.

But in some states you can get fired if your boss finds out you are homosexual, that or if you are homosexual and are getting married. I actually talked to a representative in an organization that is fighting for their rights, and sadly their companies can fire them in certain states.

 

[Marmoset]

Racist ideology and disliking a genre of music are two different things. Why?

You seem to think that people can be fired for thinking things that are not dangerous. Firing isnt a black and white issue and you arent fired over anything and everything. You cant't be fired just for liking puppies.

How can supporting homosexuality lead to the death of MILLIONS like racist ideology has done in the past and is pccuring today (ex: third world countries).

The world isnt black and white like you thinkit is in terms of these problems.

 

[oath2order]

Racist ideology and disliking a genre of music are two different things. Why?

You seem to think that people can be fired for thinking thigs that are not dangerous.

How can supporting homosexuality lead to the death of MILLIONS like racist ideology has done in the past and is pccuring today (ex: third world countries).

The world isnt black and white like you thinkit is.

You're missing the point.

What I'm trying to say is that you're trying to push YOUR ideology onto what companies should choose to hire and fire people over for thinking. You're trying to say "You can fire people for thinking this" but then when presented with an alternative, your mindset has become "Well you can't fire them for thinking that."

Where did the music thing come from. That's unrelated to anything you and I were saying.

Stick to discussing in the U.S., not third world countries, please. That's what this entire debate is about, the culture of the U.S. and not third world countries.

I dont know if this is true but right now you sound like you support racist ideology...

Think about what you say and allow others to do. Have a good night.

No, I don't. I support people being free to think what they want and not have to face repercussions for thinking the wrong way.

 

[radical6]

So if a worker wrote "ching chong" on a receipt for someone, they don't deserve to get fired? (has happened many times) Or if they bragged on social media about it, and said they hated asian people so much! Or what if they were mocking black people? No one knows their racist "beliefs" until they say it out loud. How is this any different to what people post online? Think twice before posting. No one ****ing fires them until they give the company a bad name. Companies don't want racists, because less shoppers. The difference between this and being fired for not being racist is that...not being racist to customers isn't actually illegal. Pretty sure discriminating based off of race, gender or sexuality in workplace is illegal. And if they do this in their free time? What if people hear about it? Companies have been sued millions because of their workers. It makes sense why they want them out. If they boast about it online, how likely are they to be racist to their own customers?

I have no idea how it got to this topic, but I could give less ****s about them losing their jobs. Boo ****ing hoo. You say something racist and expect to get away with it? Kiss your job goodbye.