Ferguson: Your Thoughts.

[Marmoset]

Ideology is more complex than you think it is. Freedom and ideas aren't what you think it is. For a good reason. I can only imagine what kind of things would happen in your world. Not all ideology is the same and is embraced. There are no dichotomies like you think there is. Perhaps more experiences can remedy this.

Your world view is much too simplistic. You need to consider the true definitions of these things for the sake of lives. You also need to pick up a history book sometime. The world doesnt work the way it does for a reason, and history time and time again will show you WHY society has taboos, WHY some ideas are more dangerous than others. Your thoughts can promote actions, good or bad. Your voice has meaning, so think about why these things are in place.

I seriously need to leave for tonight. But I hope one day you look back on your ideas and reflect and learn something.


P.S. history.

 

[oath2order]

So if a worker wrote "ching chong" on a receipt for someone, they don't deserve to get fired? (has happened many times) Or if they bragged on social media about it, and said they hated asian people so much! Or what if they were mocking black people? No one knows their racist "beliefs" until they say it out loud. How is this any different to what people post online? Think twice before posting. No one ****ing fires them until they give the company a bad name. Companies don't want racists, because less shoppers. The difference between this and being fired for not being racist is that...not being racist to customers isn't actually illegal. Pretty sure discriminating based off of race, gender or sexuality in workplace is illegal. And if they do this in their free time? What if people hear about it? Companies have been sued millions because of their workers. It makes sense why they want them out. If they boast about it online, how likely are they to be racist to their own customers?

I have no idea how it got to this topic, but I could give less ****s about them losing their jobs. Boo ****ing hoo. You say something racist and expect to get away with it? Kiss your job goodbye.

Remember when I said "as long as they don't act on it" Do you remember that.

Welp I'm done here. The thought police have clearly taken over.

 

[radical6]

Remember when I said "as long as they don't act on it" Do you remember that.

Welp I'm done here. The thought police have clearly taken over.

If they post it online, then they'll face the consequences. People should think twice before posting **** online. It's pretty simple. Doesn't matter if you don't act on it. If people know there's like a literal nazi in a company, then they're not going to go there. Then what happens? Their profits hurt. Or in case of big companies, if just one or two workers are racist to people the company can get sued for millions. If companies wish to prevent lawsuits, their best risks are to cut people who are more likely to act on that thinking. Really simple.

 

[Toffee]

Personally, I feel a police officer shot a teenager/young adult simply because he was an African American. There have been plenty of talks about how Mike Brown had to of had his hands up in surrender, how the witness chosen as the "most reliable" wasn't actually the most reliable, and I heard the prosecuting attorney was actually on the board of directors that helped raise $400 thousand for Wilson (source got removed, as many sites are removing ferguson posts currently), yet many people are still up in arms or simply lack care about the issue completely.

I can't possibly fathom that people are actually defending Wilson's actions. Even if you believe he's completely innocent and that Mike Brown charged him, how can you truly feel that a full grown, 6ft tall, trained officer equipped with a gun, couldn't take down a charging 6'5" man, without any form of weapon, from over 35 feet away? Even if you wanna go as far as "he couldn't take him down, Mike Brown was taller, younger, and stronger", are you seriously going to tell me that an officer trained for this kind of situation couldn't possibly of shot him once, in a nonlethal area of the body?

I just..don't understand. A young man was simply walking down the street and he got brutally murdered by the same people who hide behind the slogan of "to protect and to serve" (which really is just a slogan, btw, legally police officers have "no specific legal duty to provide protection ") And the repercussions? An ex-police officer walks away one million dollars richer and with no jail time. And yet when an African American man supposedly kills a police dog he's threatened with 35 yrs.

As for all these people talking about the riots and tearing the people in them down, these are two completely different issues. One is the issue of did a police officer kill a young man over nothing more than prejudice, and the other is between people who feel genuinely unsafe by the law and want to riot to protest it. Simply put, one is between a police officer and the family of the boy he killed, and one is between a country and it's citizens. Defending the cop just because riots are getting out of hand makes absolutely no sense. The family of Mike Brown isn't even asking the rioters to be violent in any way. The mother said she "wanted the riots to not make noise, but make change". These are people acting entirely independently because they feel cheated and unsafe from this decision.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the rioter's violence in any way; however, some perspective is needed here. Everyone is so up in arms over the burning of buildings. If you're that upset about the ferguson riots burning buildings down, then you probably were really mad with these violent riots too, right? Like when a football team lost in Denver 2014, when a baseball team won in San Francisco 2012 , when a basketball team won a game in Lexington, 2014, or maybe when a hockey team lost in Vancouver. These were sports riots, they were not riots about the overall safety of an entire country's law system. Why are these riots being looked down upon any more than any of those riots? Furthermore, some people are also mad about the burning of the flag. Let's not forget though, that technically there is nothing illegal about burning the flag (it's only "unconstitutional"), but malpractice is also considered unconstitutional. Murder, on the other hand, is illegal, something many of the people complaining about the flags that were burnt seem to ignore.

Let's also not forget that the police are sending way more officers than the number of rioters, teargassing many of them which are not doing anything violent, many of which are just resting on the ground. Let's not forget that when a woman had a heart attack and rioters asked the police to assist her, that they'd back off and leave her on the ground, the police responded by teargassing the crowd back.

Bleh this turned into a huge, link heavy post. I've just had this really built up in me ever since the verdict and had to get it out somewhere. Feels good to get it out, though.

 

[LambdaDelta]

So then you'd be in favor of people getting fired for not believing certain religion? It's their opinion and their belief.

This is a poor comparison.

Racism has actively lead to ruin plenty of people's lives. Which while religion can do this as well, its generally only due to the actions of an extremist minority.

 

[puppy]

im not really looking to play the "if this is allowed then this should be too" game. you could reason plenty of awful things that way. besides, the people that were getting fired did act on it when they posted racist things online. its just a matter of letting their work know its out there where everyone can see. im sure theyd like to know. racism in the workplace is dangerous and businesses know it. it leads to incidents like ferguson. can you imagine a black person's life in the hands of a racist doctor? or, say, a racist police officer in charge of bringing a black person to justice? these people dont think to themselves "i think im going to act on my latent racism now" when they commit malpractice because of it.

 

[Mercedes]

I dont care if he's innocent or not tbh. My concern goes towards these awful protesters who are just wrecking all of these businesses and expect no repercussions. Its absolutely sickening.

SOMEONE WHO CARES THE "protesters" ARE COMMON THEIFS AND CRIMANLES NOTHING MORE AND THE OFFCIER DID WHAT HE HAD TO GOD DAMN IT

 

[Jarrad]

SOMEONE WHO CARES THE "protesters" ARE COMMON THEIFS AND CRIMANLES NOTHING MORE AND THE OFFCIER DID WHAT HE HAD TO GOD DAMN IT

The officer did what he had to do?

So he had to shoot an innocent 18 year old boy SIX times for stealing a packet of cigarettes?
He didn't HAVE to use deadly force. That's what this entire Ferguson thing is over. The fact that he brutally shot and killed a young man when there were so many other ways to go about enforcing the law.

 

[Mercedes]

The officer did what he had to do?

So he had to shoot an innocent 18 year old boy SIX times for stealing a packet of cigarettes?
He didn't HAVE to use deadly force. That's what this entire Ferguson thing is over. The fact that he brutally shot and killed a young man when there were so many other ways to go about enforcing the law.

It was his choice. He should not have stolen cigs

 

[LambdaDelta]

nobody's excusing the "protesters" that are just taking advantage of this situation

nor are people excusing Wilson just because of the "protesters"

 

[Jarrad]

It was his choice. He should not have stolen cigs

No it wasn't his choice...

It was Wilson's choice to use deadly force on such a linear crime. The people that suffer the same punishment as Brown (being shot 6 times, one of which was in the face) are real criminals. The sort of people that brutally murder innocent people, kidnap children, traffic humans etc. In no way does stealing a packet of cigarettes justify being shot SIX times.

Educate yourself please. You can't just say "well he shouldn't have done it, it's his fault"
Brown did something which we wasn't supposed to do. He stole and he resisted police arrest.
Wilson did something which we wasn't supposed to do. He outright murdered a man in cold blood instead of dealing with the situation appropriately. He took advantage of his power as cop. Just because he wears a badge doesn't mean that he's not subject to murdering somebody. Nobody is above the law, regardless whether they enforce it or break it.

 

[LambdaDelta]

It was his choice. He should not have stolen cigs

too bad there's also been potential evidence shown that he actually paid for them

also stealing should never equal a death sentence, and if you honestly think it does then I seriously hope you never go into any sort of job that requires you to uphold the law

 

[Jarrad]

too bad there's also been potential evidence shown that he actually paid for them

also stealing should never equal a death sentence, and if you honestly think it does then I seriously hope you never go into any sort of job that requires you to uphold the law

It's like she's just been dropped out of the hunger games universe, where holding up a 3-fingered gesture is enough to get you killed.

Apparently stealing cigarettes warrants death.

 

[LaceGloves]

The officer did what he had to do?

So he had to shoot an innocent 18 year old boy SIX times for stealing a packet of cigarettes?
He didn't HAVE to use deadly force. That's what this entire Ferguson thing is over. The fact that he brutally shot and killed a young man when there were so many other ways to go about enforcing the law.

Correction: He was shot 8 times.
Twice in the head.
As stated before, a gun should be used to apprehend if necessary, not kill.

Also, the police officer's story was ridiculous. I will post a link of it later today. It is very unrealistic and he LITERALLY demonizes this 18 year old boy. LITERALLY.

 

[Zanessa]

It was his choice. He should not have stolen cigs

So if you steal a pack of pencils from a rich person and an officer goes after you and shoots you several times and kills you, is it justified? You stole something from them. You deserve it, right?

Okay.

 

[SuperVandal]

Correction: He was shot 8 times.
Twice in the head.
As stated before, a gun should be used to apprehend if necessary, not kill.

Also, the police officer's story was ridiculous. I will post a link of it later today. It is very unrealistic and he LITERALLY demonizes this 18 year old boy. LITERALLY.

yeah, i've seen snippets of his testimony. he literally calls mike brown a demon. like seriously? these are the nutjobs holding positions as law enforcers in our country?

 

[Aradai]

yeah, i've seen snippets of his testimony. he literally calls mike brown a demon. like seriously? these are the nutjobs holding positions as law enforcers in our country?

he also has the audacity to call Michael Brown, who is a human being like all of us, and "it". Are you serious.

 

[-Apples-]

So if you steal a pack of pencils from a rich person and an officer goes after you and shoots you several times and kills you, is it justified? You stole something from them. You deserve it, right?

Okay.

Well there's a difference. Brown was trying to put Wilson's life in danger. Like I said several times, what got him killed was that he tried to grab for Wilson's gun. Yes, it's not worth killing people over a pack of cigarettes, but he didn't shoot him all because of stealing. Some of you rejected the fact that Brown was trying to kill Wilson when Wikipedia said that he was, so that's why I blocked some of you. I also blocked everyone who kept asking me to post some sources. I know one of you jumped on me for discriminating against Brown supporters, but I'm not blocking them for supporting Brown. It's all about personal conflict with me, not about opinions.

I found out why Wilson quits. It's not because the media made him look bad. It's that the police department made a whole bunch of enemies because of that one incident, and the chief gave Wilson a warning. So he quits.

Once again, I'm not supporting racism, but I don't think Wilson was a racist. But some of the police brutality issues I've seen are clearly inhumane. But now that Wilson is out of the police force, it's time for him to look for a new job.

I do think OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are guilty, but I don't think George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson are guilty. Both OJ and Casey were purposely killing someone innocent and hiding the evidence. Zimmerman and Wilson were in presence with a punk. The reason why I made the supporters of Brown and Martin look bad were because they are more extreme when they talk and are even attacking the opponents. I'm not opposing them for supporting someone. It's just like this. You hate one popular movie, but people who like the movie hate you for hating the movie. So you hate the fans of the movie, not because they like the movie, but because they hate people for hating the movie.

 

[wintersoldier]

Well there's a difference. Brown was trying to put Wilson's life in danger. Like I said several times, what got him killed was that he tried to grab for Wilson's gun. Yes, it's not worth killing people over a pack of cigarettes, but he didn't shoot him all because of stealing. Some of you rejected the fact that Brown was trying to kill Wilson when Wikipedia said that he was, so that's why I blocked some of you. I also blocked everyone who kept asking me to post some sources. I know one of you jumped on me for discriminating against Brown supporters, but I'm not blocking them for supporting Brown. It's all about personal conflict with me, not about opinions.

I found out why Wilson quits. It's not because the media made him look bad. It's that the police department made a whole bunch of enemies because of that one incident, and the chief gave Wilson a warning. So he quits.

Once again, I'm not supporting racism, but I don't think Wilson was a racist. But some of the police brutality issues I've seen are clearly inhumane. But now that Wilson is out of the police force, it's time for him to look for a new job.

I do think OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony are guilty, but I don't think George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson are guilty. Both OJ and Casey were purposely killing someone innocent and hiding the evidence. Zimmerman and Wilson were in presence with a punk. The reason why I made the supporters of Brown and Martin look bad were because they are more extreme when they talk and are even attacking the opponents. I'm not opposing them for supporting someone. It's just like this. You hate one popular movie, but people who like the movie hate you for hating the movie. So you hate the fans of the movie, not because they like the movie, but because they hate people for hating the movie.

lmao if you're referring to me, i didn't jump on you for your ignoring spree. i just found it hypocritical that you kept painting yourself as a victim in this situation for supporting darren wilson when you were throwing supporters of mike brown under the bus. i'm pretty sure wikipedia isn't a source, but i'm not going to tell you to cite things as an attempt to prove your point bc that's a waste of time for you and me since my views regarding wilson aren't going to change.

i see you tho. you previously stated that zimmerman was worse than wilson, but now trayvon and mike are both punks that deserve to die. it's very transparent that you would even call them punks, but i guess the demonizing of black men continues even though we talked about how harmful it is. but i suppose you can keep justifying mike brown's death by saying he grabbed wilson's gun and that he was a punk who deserved to die.

perhaps maybe some people were extreme towards you with their views, but you have to understand why they were angry. this case is about mike brown, but it's also about the countless black men and women who've died because of police brutality. i've tried to be respectful to you as much as i can be in this, but the victim here is not darren wilson nor his supporters. he has profited off of mike brown's murder. he gets to go home to his family, he can eventually put this incident aside. i'm sure he can sleep soundly at night, so there's no reason for you to paint him or his supporters as victims in this situation.

 

[LambdaDelta]

Some of you rejected the fact that Brown was trying to kill Wilson when Wikipedia said that he was

the exact moment your entire argument crumbled apart