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Hopefully so. I'd like to see where this came from, actually. That is, of course, if you're comfortable with that.
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Ferguson: Your Thoughts.
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Hopefully so. I'd like to see where this came from, actually. That is, of course, if you're comfortable with that.
Milky-Chii
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That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion based on what little you know of the situation and you certainly don't have to do anything you don't want to.
okay can you stop you act civilized by saying you're entitled to their own opinion and then you be a scrub and say "on little you know..." it's their ****ing opinion
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I'm not getting the full story why wouldn't she be comfortable
Milky-Chii
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Oh no I actually didn't mean it like that. I mean none of us were actually there and eyewitness reports are so mixed so who can really say what happened?
I mean I understand that you don't agree but you should respect their self entitled opinion
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Apple Imperialist
Right. However, citing sources is required in schools, and some forums moderate or even ban users for posting opinions or false information as facts. I'm not sure if it's against their rules to post facts without citing a source, but posting false information as fact can annoy other people.
It's not a requirement to source here, but it is a good idea anyway.
This isn't school but with serious topics where you're trying to prove a point citing your sources from a non-biased outlet is always recommended.
Stop. Leave the thread if you're going to act like this.
This isn't school but with serious topics where you're trying to prove a point citing your sources from a non-biased outlet is always recommended.
Stop. Leave the thread if you're going to act like this.
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Milky-Chii
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I do absolutely 0.0 I'm sorry if I came off as rude I really didn't mean it that way. She has every right to her opinion and it certainly doesn't bother me.
Do I really gotta clean up another thread?
After reading the first page looks like I do
ok boys and girls, from the master post
I’m literally so disgusted by people’s response to the Ferguson case. Let me lay down some facts - with sources. This is long so sit tight and grab a snack or two. I’ve seen a lot of different master-posts floating around, so I tried to make the “ultimate” master-post.
I think it’s important to note that the town of Ferguson, MO is a town that is not unfamiliar with segregation and unequal representation. The police in Ferguson are actually involved with the KKK. A choice transcript is as follows:
MSNBC: Have you been talking to law enforcement?
Frank Ancona: I have.
MSNBC: What are those conversations like?
Frank Ancona: Well, uh, depending on who you talk to, and of course, ya know all these things are off the record, but uh a lot of them are very frustrated with, ya know how the governor has basically sided with the criminals in a lot of instances..
MSNBC: Wait a second, wait a second, Frank you have law enforcement confiding in you, as a grand wizard of the KKK you’re telling me that you have local law enforcement talking to you personally off the record?
Frank Ancona: No, nah I’m telling you I have- I-I have friends who know people in law enforcement. I’ll just put it that way.
MSNBC: Oh you have friends who, oh right.
Frank Ancona: Right, right.
Darren Wilson is also allegedly involved with the KKK. In fact, as a police officer, Darren Wilson has a history of harassment and racial profiling.
Michael Brown did not steal Cigarillos from the convenience store. There is footage of him paying for it. In fact, the store owner and the store employees never reported having anything stolen from the store. The store owner even stated that he did not believe it was Michael Brown on the video tape of the robbery. The time stamps on the robbery video do not line up with the time that Michael Brown was shot. Darren Wilson was not responding to a robbery call prior to stopping Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson. This is not a David and Goliath story. Michael Brown was not a huge monstrous “Hulk Hogan" (pg 212 of 286) "demon.” (pg 225 of 286) By his own admission, Darren Wilson is the same exact height (pg 198 of 286) - 6’ 4”ft. Granted, Michael Brown weighed approximately 80lbs more. However, despite the alleged altercation that occurred between them, Darren Wilson did not feel that his “injuries” warranted going to the hospital. (pg 248 of 286) He, in fact, had extremely minor injuries. These injuries cannot be proved without a doubt that they were not self-inflicted or shaving injuries due to their location and severity, or rosacea or other erythema. His injuries had faded significantly by the time it was to take evidence photos. His injury photos show visible redness of the face in peak rosacea zones such as the nose, forehead, and cheeks. Rosacea is common in white populations around Darren Wilson’s age. At no time (pgs 208 - 286) did Darren Wilson tell either Dorian Johnson or Michael Brown that they were being detained on suspicion of robbery. In fact, Darren Wilson had no idea there even was a robbery. It would have been extremely difficult for Michael Brown to remove the gun from Darren Wilson’s holster in order to discharge it. The only way Michael Brown could have had it was if Darren Wilson had already pulled it. Furthermore, being intoxicated on marijuana would have slowed his movement and reaction time significantly. Michael Brown was also a significant distance away from Darren Wilson’s SUV when he was fatally shot. All four of the following must be met in order to claim self-defense:
You must use force to protect yourself when in danger of serious injury or death.
Unless you are in your own house, you must retreat if possible before resorting to force.
You must show that you did not start the altercation.
You cannot use more force than necessary to stop an unprovoked attack.
While the others are debatable, Darren Wilson provides testimony that he opted to pursue Michael Brown (pg 226 of 286) and thus did not adhere to the second condition. Michael Brown was undeniably shot facing Darren Wilson with his hands up, and continued to be shot while he was falling to the ground. Darren Wilson did not complete an incident report following the alleged altercation between himself and Michael Brown. This is a direct violation of Missouri Public Records Law; the denial of the records is a civil violation of the law. The “knowing” violation constitutes a Class A Misdemeanor in Missouri. There is also no use of force report.
There has been speculation that Darren Wilson chose to marry another police officer in the midst of the Ferguson case for spousal rights regarding testimony.
Despite Dorian Johnson supposedly being involved in a robbery with Michael Brown, the police refused to interview him, even after he offered. They did not conduct interviews until five days after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. The case was actually severely mishandled; the forensic investigator did not take any photographs because the “battery in [his] camera died.” Six eyewitnesses had the same exact account of what happened between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. None of these witnesses have changed their stories, or knew each other prior to the Ferguson case, with two exceptions. In fact, four of the eyewitness testimony can be lined up in chronological order. The prosecuting attorney actually supported Darren Wilson. The grand jury, which consisted of nine white people - the number it takes to reach an official decision - and three people of colour, was presented with an outdated, unconstitutional law (pg 5 of 286) that would have justified the use of force against fleeing suspects. This law became void in 1985. Darren Wilson also provided conflicting testimony, saying in his police interview that Michael Brown hit him with his left hand (pg 6 of 18), while in his grand jury testimony states that Michael Brown hit him with his right hand. (pg 211 of 286) Darren Wilson does not view Michael Brown as a human being; Darren Wilson dehumanizes Michael Brown in his testimony by saying “it looks like a demon.” (pg 225 of 286) Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler remarked that it’s incredibly rare for a grand jury to do what Ferguson’s just did. The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them. The first grand jury had to be reassigned because one member talked about how they would let Darren Wilson go free. The Ferguson police chief had no intention of firing Darren Wilson if he wasn’t indicted.
With all that said, it does not matter if Michael Brown had stolen the cigarillos. It does not matter if Michael Brown had assaulted Darren Wilson. It does not matter if Michael Brown was emboldened or shy, a delinquent or an honors student. What matters is that Michael Brown is a human being, and that is the sole reason that he should not have been executed. No matter how you dice it, it was illegal for Darren Wilson to fatally shoot Michael Brown.
The police response to all of these riots that broke out were noticeably without tear gas, rubber bullets, and other means of force. However, Ferguson police fired rubber bullets at peaceful protesters. This is a violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees the freedom of speech and right to assemble. In fact, there are multiple instances of evidence demonstrating the police’s use of excessive force against peaceful civilians both protesting and not protesting. The protests remained, for the large part, entirely peaceful. Protesters and community members cleaned up afterwards, with the police force notably absent.
What would Martin Luther King, Jr. say about these protests? We don’t really know, because despite all of the peaceful protests he led, he was still shot in the head for believing everyone should be treated equally.
Also lemme source myself [x]
This is also where you can find links to sources.
Stay peaceful and strong everyone and most importantly stay safe!
After reading the first page looks like I do
ok boys and girls, from the master post
I’m literally so disgusted by people’s response to the Ferguson case. Let me lay down some facts - with sources. This is long so sit tight and grab a snack or two. I’ve seen a lot of different master-posts floating around, so I tried to make the “ultimate” master-post.
I think it’s important to note that the town of Ferguson, MO is a town that is not unfamiliar with segregation and unequal representation. The police in Ferguson are actually involved with the KKK. A choice transcript is as follows:
MSNBC: Have you been talking to law enforcement?
Frank Ancona: I have.
MSNBC: What are those conversations like?
Frank Ancona: Well, uh, depending on who you talk to, and of course, ya know all these things are off the record, but uh a lot of them are very frustrated with, ya know how the governor has basically sided with the criminals in a lot of instances..
MSNBC: Wait a second, wait a second, Frank you have law enforcement confiding in you, as a grand wizard of the KKK you’re telling me that you have local law enforcement talking to you personally off the record?
Frank Ancona: No, nah I’m telling you I have- I-I have friends who know people in law enforcement. I’ll just put it that way.
MSNBC: Oh you have friends who, oh right.
Frank Ancona: Right, right.
Darren Wilson is also allegedly involved with the KKK. In fact, as a police officer, Darren Wilson has a history of harassment and racial profiling.
Michael Brown did not steal Cigarillos from the convenience store. There is footage of him paying for it. In fact, the store owner and the store employees never reported having anything stolen from the store. The store owner even stated that he did not believe it was Michael Brown on the video tape of the robbery. The time stamps on the robbery video do not line up with the time that Michael Brown was shot. Darren Wilson was not responding to a robbery call prior to stopping Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson. This is not a David and Goliath story. Michael Brown was not a huge monstrous “Hulk Hogan" (pg 212 of 286) "demon.” (pg 225 of 286) By his own admission, Darren Wilson is the same exact height (pg 198 of 286) - 6’ 4”ft. Granted, Michael Brown weighed approximately 80lbs more. However, despite the alleged altercation that occurred between them, Darren Wilson did not feel that his “injuries” warranted going to the hospital. (pg 248 of 286) He, in fact, had extremely minor injuries. These injuries cannot be proved without a doubt that they were not self-inflicted or shaving injuries due to their location and severity, or rosacea or other erythema. His injuries had faded significantly by the time it was to take evidence photos. His injury photos show visible redness of the face in peak rosacea zones such as the nose, forehead, and cheeks. Rosacea is common in white populations around Darren Wilson’s age. At no time (pgs 208 - 286) did Darren Wilson tell either Dorian Johnson or Michael Brown that they were being detained on suspicion of robbery. In fact, Darren Wilson had no idea there even was a robbery. It would have been extremely difficult for Michael Brown to remove the gun from Darren Wilson’s holster in order to discharge it. The only way Michael Brown could have had it was if Darren Wilson had already pulled it. Furthermore, being intoxicated on marijuana would have slowed his movement and reaction time significantly. Michael Brown was also a significant distance away from Darren Wilson’s SUV when he was fatally shot. All four of the following must be met in order to claim self-defense:
You must use force to protect yourself when in danger of serious injury or death.
Unless you are in your own house, you must retreat if possible before resorting to force.
You must show that you did not start the altercation.
You cannot use more force than necessary to stop an unprovoked attack.
While the others are debatable, Darren Wilson provides testimony that he opted to pursue Michael Brown (pg 226 of 286) and thus did not adhere to the second condition. Michael Brown was undeniably shot facing Darren Wilson with his hands up, and continued to be shot while he was falling to the ground. Darren Wilson did not complete an incident report following the alleged altercation between himself and Michael Brown. This is a direct violation of Missouri Public Records Law; the denial of the records is a civil violation of the law. The “knowing” violation constitutes a Class A Misdemeanor in Missouri. There is also no use of force report.
There has been speculation that Darren Wilson chose to marry another police officer in the midst of the Ferguson case for spousal rights regarding testimony.
Despite Dorian Johnson supposedly being involved in a robbery with Michael Brown, the police refused to interview him, even after he offered. They did not conduct interviews until five days after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. The case was actually severely mishandled; the forensic investigator did not take any photographs because the “battery in [his] camera died.” Six eyewitnesses had the same exact account of what happened between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. None of these witnesses have changed their stories, or knew each other prior to the Ferguson case, with two exceptions. In fact, four of the eyewitness testimony can be lined up in chronological order. The prosecuting attorney actually supported Darren Wilson. The grand jury, which consisted of nine white people - the number it takes to reach an official decision - and three people of colour, was presented with an outdated, unconstitutional law (pg 5 of 286) that would have justified the use of force against fleeing suspects. This law became void in 1985. Darren Wilson also provided conflicting testimony, saying in his police interview that Michael Brown hit him with his left hand (pg 6 of 18), while in his grand jury testimony states that Michael Brown hit him with his right hand. (pg 211 of 286) Darren Wilson does not view Michael Brown as a human being; Darren Wilson dehumanizes Michael Brown in his testimony by saying “it looks like a demon.” (pg 225 of 286) Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler remarked that it’s incredibly rare for a grand jury to do what Ferguson’s just did. The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them. The first grand jury had to be reassigned because one member talked about how they would let Darren Wilson go free. The Ferguson police chief had no intention of firing Darren Wilson if he wasn’t indicted.
With all that said, it does not matter if Michael Brown had stolen the cigarillos. It does not matter if Michael Brown had assaulted Darren Wilson. It does not matter if Michael Brown was emboldened or shy, a delinquent or an honors student. What matters is that Michael Brown is a human being, and that is the sole reason that he should not have been executed. No matter how you dice it, it was illegal for Darren Wilson to fatally shoot Michael Brown.
The police response to all of these riots that broke out were noticeably without tear gas, rubber bullets, and other means of force. However, Ferguson police fired rubber bullets at peaceful protesters. This is a violation of the First Amendment, which guarantees the freedom of speech and right to assemble. In fact, there are multiple instances of evidence demonstrating the police’s use of excessive force against peaceful civilians both protesting and not protesting. The protests remained, for the large part, entirely peaceful. Protesters and community members cleaned up afterwards, with the police force notably absent.
What would Martin Luther King, Jr. say about these protests? We don’t really know, because despite all of the peaceful protests he led, he was still shot in the head for believing everyone should be treated equally.
Also lemme source myself [x]
This is also where you can find links to sources.
Stay peaceful and strong everyone and most importantly stay safe!
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Apple Imperialist
Thank you. I'll start citing my sources for now on. In addition, I will avoid using Wikipedia as place to cite sources.
please. So many uninformed people here.
Wikipedia is fine. It usually includes source material in the footnotes you can use.
inb4 flame war and lock
you need to cite yourself for proof so if you say something like the officer killed the guy for fun you need something besides a satire news website
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wikipedia? don't you know anyone can change those my school wont let us use those for reference
you need to cite yourself for proof so if you say something like the officer killed the guy for fun you need something besides a satire news website
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wikipedia? don't you know anyone can change those my school wont let us use those for reference
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Which is why you use sourced material in the footer. Now drop it.
Milky-Chii
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Not sure if I should have snipped this or not but thank you soooo much for this post, it's really helpful to have all this info in one spot.
Just posted the master list of information and source which has a huge collection of sources. Last post on page 9.
Stay informed and safe everyone <3
No snipping required. It's a good post.
Honestly I'm more concerned with the case itself being something I don't feel I can judge with lack of eyewitness. Not the protests. The protests are probably the real tragedy out of all of this. It's both sides in these un-peaceful protests that's causing a lot of problems, but it does come down to people believing they have to martyr at some points or cause destruction and death worse than the incident between the officer and the suspect to make a point.
It's just gotten entirely out of hand, and that's a damn shame.
so why is this even a thread besides to inform people there's not really discussion more like debate when there is plenty of reasons the officer should be charged with murder
but whatever
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