Your thoughts on social justice and other American cultural issues?

[Miii]

This has become a really prevalent topic in America. Social justice is all over the place, and it seems to be mostly people my age (in their 20s) or younger promoting it.

I personally think it's a ridiculous concept that we need to get rid of and never revisit. I think it directly conflicts with the first amendment (freedom of speech), and that if people are really opposed to certain thoughts and ideas, then they should distance themselves from the situation (block people online rather than responding, avoid public speaking events you disagree with, etc.). If sticking up for their beliefs is important to them, then I think they should use facts to try to get others to see their side of the story, rather than shutting down public speaking events, demanding that youtube videos be taken down, causing people to lose their jobs and things of that nature.

It's gotten to the point that all you need to get someone fired from their job is to make a scene and tell their boss that they're racist, homophobic, sexist or misogynistic. Now, even doctors are being sued for telling patients that they're overweight or obese (which is part of their job!!!), even though study after study backs up the fact being overweight or obese is harmful to your health; in fact an estimated 800 people die every day in America from diseases directly resulting from obesity.

I'm also really sick of the term "white privilege". It's completely illogical to assume that just because someone is white, they're at an advantage, just like it's ridiculous to assume that someone is at a disadvantage just because they're black, or hispanic, or asian. People are trying to change the definition of racism, now, to make it to where it only applies to white people; the term "reverse-racism" was coined as a result, and that's infuriating to me. Racism is racism no matter what race you are, or who you think you're better than.

So what are your thoughts on all this? Do you like the idea of social justice? If so, why, and what good do you think it does? Feel free to discuss other American cultural issues below.

And, of course, keep it civil or this thread will be closed.

 

[Stalfos]

Donald Trump says hello.

 

[Miii]

Donald Trump says hello.

I get that you obviously don't like Donald Trump, and you know that I do. But your comment isn't contributing anything to this thread.

 

[f11]

I mean if your racist then why should you be having a job where you'd work or help the people you hate. Like ???

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White privelge is real and I can give maybe 20 examples why it is.

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3. Racism is a systematic oppression.

 

[visibleghost]

oh noes the sjws are taking over :~(

 

[Miii]

I mean if your racist then why should you be having a job where you'd work or help the people you hate. Like ???

The point was that all it takes to get someone fired is accusing them of being racist; you don't actually have to provide evidence. A lot of employers will fire someone so that they don't have to deal with investigating the situation (which can take a lot of time, effort, and money if a lawsuit is filed).

And I don't support or advocate racism, but do you really think that dumb racist people shouldn't have jobs just because they're dumb and racist? Should we just let them starve on the streets because they think differently, however contrary to popular belief their ideas may be? If that became an acceptable idea, we could justify condemning people for just about anything.

 

[Stalfos]

I get that you obviously don't like Donald Trump, and you know that I do. But your comment isn't contributing anything to this thread.

Don't get me wrong. I'm agreeing with you to a certain point. But after going halfway through your post I just thought **** it. I'd be more inclined to discuss these subjects with someone who isn't way out on the far right.

Oh, and I did read the whole post. I didn't get any better.

 

[f11]

The point was that all it takes to get someone fired is accusing them of being racist; you don't actually have to provide evidence. A lot of employers will fire someone so that they don't have to deal with investigating the situation (which can take a lot of time, effort, and money if a lawsuit is filed).

And I don't support or advocate racism, but do you really think that dumb racist people shouldn't have jobs just because they're dumb and racist? Should we just let them starve on the streets because they think differently, however contrary to popular belief their ideas may be? If that became an acceptable idea, we could justify condemning people for just about anything.

If there's no evidence speak to employer if you think it wasn't justified. Usually you can find racist tweets or posts that are screenshotted snd sent.. if your racist i don't give a **** about you and ur life if you hate me for ill I care you could die and I wouldn't really bat an eye ┐(?•_•`)┌

 

[visibleghost]

I'm also really sick of the term "white privilege". It's completely illogical to assume that just because someone is white, they're at an advantage, just like it's ridiculous to assume that someone is at a disadvantage just because they're black, or hispanic, or asian. People are trying to change the definition of racism, now, to make it to where it only applies to white people; the term "reverse-racism" was coined as a result, and that's infuriating to me. Racism is racism no matter what race you are, or who you think you're better than.

white privilege is a thing tho
black, latinx n asian ppl are at a disadvantage because of racism. n in our society the whites are the racists !! it doesn't matter if a white person isn't personally racist, they're still part of the system and get affected by white privilege whether they want or not. this obviously doesn't mean that all white ppl have an easier life than people of colour do, but it means that we have an advantage in society and aren't likely at all to be treated badly or differently or get killed or be bullied or anything like that because of our race :^p

and racism isn't a person being like "um i think you're bad because of your skin colour", it's a systematic form of oppression and therefore in our society white people can't be victims of racism. because white people have white privilege and aren't systematically oppressed .

 

[toxapex]

While I agree that some methods of enforcing social justice can be immature or extreme, that doesn't mean social justice itself is bad. I think it's good that more people are becoming aware of the fact that certain groups are more privileged and represented than others, white people especially.

 

[Fleshy]

There are definitely problems when it comes to social justice and "sjws", I won't deny that, but I find the self proclaimed anti-sjws to be rather frightening and much more 'dangerous' as a whole.

I wouldn't want to hire someone who was racist/homophobic/sexist etc. and I think many people think that way too, I wouldn't want someone like that working for me, I personally am scared of people like that also (hypothetically as i'm not in the position to hire anyone). I don't always think taking it to someone's boss is a good idea, but in serious cases I don't really see the problem with it. (I don't want people to be homeless or jobless, but I'd say they brought it on themselves for being racist/homophobic etc.) About the weight thing, I think the problem is that doctors usually dismiss serious problems that patients have and just tell them to lose weight. I have witnessed this with my mother, she went to see the doctor about serious back problems, they barely looked into it and just told her that it was because she needed to lose weight, turns out it wasn't weight related at all, and it was serious. Most overweight people don't dispute the fact that their weight can be causing health problems, the problem occurs when doctors won't take patients pain seriously until they've lost weight.

White people as a whole are more privileged, that's not saying that all white people are more privileged than all non white people, as class, health, gender, and things all play a part in it too, but white privilege is real. People calling a white person names because they're white is not at all comparable to racism that people of other races go through, not even slightly. I don't see why that is disputed or is a discussion.

 

[Miii]

Don't get me wrong. I'm agreeing with you to a certain point. But after going halfway through your post I just thought **** it. I'd be more inclined to discuss these subjects with someone who isn't way out on the far right.

Oh, and I did read the whole post. I didn't get any better.

I don't completely adhere to "right" ideology, not that it would matter if I did. If you can't discuss issues with someone whose beliefs conflict with yours, then what's the point of having a discussion to begin with? To preach to the converted? That defeats the point of a discussion/ debate.

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white privilege is a thing tho
black, latinx n asian ppl are at a disadvantage because of racism. n in our society the whites are the racists !! it doesn't matter if a white person isn't personally racist, they're still part of the system and get affected by white privilege whether they want or not. this obviously doesn't mean that all white ppl have an easier life than people of colour do, but it means that we have an advantage in society and aren't likely at all to be treated badly or differently or get killed or be bullied or anything like that because of our race :^p

and racism isn't a person being like "um i think you're bad because of your skin colour", it's a systematic form of oppression and therefore in our society white people can't be victims of racism. because white people have white privilege and aren't systematically oppressed .

You don't think that a black person calling a white person a cracker (which came from whip cracker, by the way) is racist? That's equally as bad as the n word, and if it's not, then wouldn't that signal black privilege more than white privilege? And if only white people can be racist, no matter what black, hispanic or asian people say, wouldn't that signal white oppression?

 

[visibleghost]

You don't think that a black person calling a white person a cracker (which came from whip cracker, by the way) is racist? That's equally as bad as the n word, and if it's not, then wouldn't that signal black privilege more than white privilege? And if only white people can be racist, no matter what black, hispanic or asian people say, wouldn't that signal white oppression?

no i do not think it is racist. why? because if a black person called me cracker all it would do is hurt my feelings. i don't experience anything other than my feelings being hurt. white people jokes might hurt my feelings, but jokes about black people are part of something much bigger that leads to the death and discrimination of black people.
meanwhile black people are getting killed, seen as thugs and criminals, less likely to get a job and many more things because of racism. it's not racist to call a white person a cracker lmaooo

 

[f11]

@miii Cracker; Its not racist...as it's the whip y'all used the beat the us with. And if it's ass equally bad as ******, then why isn't it censored as ****** is

 

[Stalfos]

I don't completely adhere to "right" ideology, not that it would matter if I did. If you can't discuss issues with someone whose beliefs conflict with yours, then what's the point of having a discussion to begin with? To preach to the converted? That defeats the point of a discussion/ debate.

Oh, by all means, discuss. You haven't really struck me as a person who's willing to accept ideas other than your own. Wether it'd be imigration, gun control, wage gap or whatever. You never concede defeat even when you are proven wrong.

 

[Miii]

While I agree that some methods of enforcing social justice can be immature or extreme, that doesn't mean social justice itself is bad. I think it's good that more people are becoming aware of the fact that certain groups are more privileged and represented than others, white people especially.

That's not a recent thing. People were aware of inequalities when the women's rights movement began. They were aware of it when segregation became illegal. They were aware of it when birth control became legal and readily available to the public. I feel that people have addressed a lot of the inequalities of the past, and laws preventing job and housing discrimination based on race, gender, religion, and physical capability have since been passed.

 

[mogyay]

i don't think it's the same because there's not a historical context to it. calling a white person a cracker isn't a nice thing to do but for it to be called racism i think there needs to have been centuries of black people enslaving, prosecuting and degrading white people. whether you choose to see it or not black people are born without as many privileges as white people.

also i kind of agree with stalfos why bother making this topic, you never seem to take into consideration other people's point of view anyway...

 

[toxapex]

You don't think that a black person calling a white person a cracker (which came from whip cracker, by the way) is racist? That's equally as bad as the n word, and if it's not, then wouldn't that signal black privilege more than white privilege? And if only white people can be racist, no matter what black, hispanic or asian people say, wouldn't that signal white oppression?

"Cracker" is nowhere near as bad as the n word. The n word has a history behind it of the systematic oppression of black people. "Cracker" as I understand it is discrimination at the most, but certainly not racism. Racism has to do with a culture of oppression toward a group of people. Discrimination is simply being prejudiced against a person, and is not nearly as serious when aimed at whites.

 

[Miii]

no i do not think it is racist. why? because if a black person called me cracker all it would do is hurt my feelings. i don't experience anything other than my feelings being hurt. white people jokes might hurt my feelings, but jokes about black people are part of something much bigger that leads to the death and discrimination of black people.
meanwhile black people are getting killed, seen as thugs and criminals, less likely to get a job and many more things because of racism. it's not racist to call a white person a cracker lmaooo

Calling someone the n word doesn't lead to their death or discrimination -___- it's just a word, which originally just meant someone that couldn't legally own land. Calling someone cracker is equally as offensive. I'm white, and I had no part in slavery (and neither did most Americans in that time period; 6% of white Americans owned slaves at the peak of slavery's existence). Why should me being compared to a real racist that oppressed and abused people for their own gain be considered less of an insult than the n word?

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@miii Cracker; Its not racist...as it's the whip y'all used the beat the us with. And if it's ass equally bad as ******, then why isn't it censored as ****** is

It's not censored because it's also a kind of food.

 

[seliph]

Lmao "cracker" is not and will never ever be as bad as the n-slur. "Cracker" does not oppress anyone, it doesn't disqualify people from getting jobs, it doesn't get people killed, it doesn't have a deadly, dehumanizing history behind it. All it does is make you go "Oh :c" because of that lovely White Entitlement™.

Why do white people want to be oppressed so badly? Y'all should be glad. But I guess if being killed by cops gives you more attention you'll want it for some whack reason.