Video Chat Confirmed for Pok

DarthGohan1 said:
Since everyone's writing really long, but really good, posts I'm just going to reference things people have said rather than quoting everything.

@Tye - Psychonaut highlighted the main things I was trying to say... although I feel he was a bit harsh. I don't think Tye is a fanboy... I think the word should only be used when appropriate. His favorite games may be Nintendo's, but (and I don't know your exact job / where you work) he is able to recommend any game for the right person. I also don't know your age, Tye, but I'm assuming somewhere between 13-16... and I'd bet that withing 3 or 4 years (assuming you keep buying a decent number of games and playing different games, etc. over that span) you too will start to get bored with games, both Nintendo's and others'.

As for the main argument, I'm not saying stop making games for the big franchises. But Nintendo currently has the attitude that every year or two they NEED to release a new Mario/LoZ/Metroid/DK/Kirby/AC/etc. game. Not true! If someone @ Nintendo has a really good idea for a new game in one of those franchises, awesome! But if not, don't force it. Psycho brings up another good example in Metroid Prime. One of my favorite games of all time is Super Metroid. I can't tell you how excited I was when Metroid Prime came out. To be honest, I'm not a big fps fan so I didn't enjoy the game as much as other people. But it was a really neat game. MP2 came out w/ a new story, new features, etc. and it also sold really well. But was there anything new left for Nintendo to do with Metroid after that? Not enough for a $50 game. And they released MP3... a good game, but what kind of new experience was it? It was MP2 with a new storyline and updated Wii controls...

The fact is Nintendo doesn't NEED to push out these franchise games so often. Give new franchises a chance. And when the time is right add on to everyone's favorite oldies. When they give new things a chance they're usually amazing - Pokemon in 1998, Super Smash Bros. in 1999, Animal Crossing in 2001/2, ... this list goes on: Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Pikmin, Mario Party... and how often when they release a new game are they just beating a dead horse? For every Super Mario Galaxy (aka good addition to a franchise) there's a Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party 8, etc. etc (the beating of dead horses).

In summary, I wish they'd keep their good franchises going while releasing many more original creations. Because all good franchises once were original creations... and there's only so far each one can go.
It's a shame he won't accept any of this.
 
DarthGohan1 said:
Since everyone's writing really long, but really good, posts I'm just going to reference things people have said rather than quoting everything.

@Tye - Psychonaut highlighted the main things I was trying to say... although I feel he was a bit harsh. I don't think Tye is a fanboy... I think the word should only be used when appropriate. His favorite games may be Nintendo's, but (and I don't know your exact job / where you work) he is able to recommend any game for the right person. I also don't know your age, Tye, but I'm assuming somewhere between 13-16... and I'd bet that withing 3 or 4 years (assuming you keep buying a decent number of games and playing different games, etc. over that span) you too will start to get bored with games, both Nintendo's and others'.

As for the main argument, I'm not saying stop making games for the big franchises. But Nintendo currently has the attitude that every year or two they NEED to release a new Mario/LoZ/Metroid/DK/Kirby/AC/etc. game. Not true! If someone @ Nintendo has a really good idea for a new game in one of those franchises, awesome! But if not, don't force it. Psycho brings up another good example in Metroid Prime. One of my favorite games of all time is Super Metroid. I can't tell you how excited I was when Metroid Prime came out. To be honest, I'm not a big fps fan so I didn't enjoy the game as much as other people. But it was a really neat game. MP2 came out w/ a new story, new features, etc. and it also sold really well. But was there anything new left for Nintendo to do with Metroid after that? Not enough for a $50 game. And they released MP3... a good game, but what kind of new experience was it? It was MP2 with a new storyline and updated Wii controls...

The fact is Nintendo doesn't NEED to push out these franchise games so often. Give new franchises a chance. And when the time is right add on to everyone's favorite oldies. When they give new things a chance they're usually amazing - Pokemon in 1998, Super Smash Bros. in 1999, Animal Crossing in 2001/2, ... this list goes on: Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Pikmin, Mario Party... and how often when they release a new game are they just beating a dead horse? For every Super Mario Galaxy (aka good addition to a franchise) there's a Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party 8, etc. etc (the beating of dead horses).

In summary, I wish they'd keep their good franchises going while releasing many more original creations. Because all good franchises once were original creations... and there's only so far each one can go.
Just for your information, I work in the electronics department at Toys "R" Us, and I'm 19, 20 in October. Certainly not 13-16, lol. And guess what? I've never gotten bored of Nintendo's games in my 19 years of life. I don't need a game to be completely new and fresh in order to enjoy it. Hell, just look at games like Super Mario Galaxy 2. It reuses a lot from the first Super Mario Galaxy, and looks, plays, and controls almost identical, but it's still being called one of the best games ever, if not the best. Like I've been saying, sometimes more of a good thing isn't bad, even if things seem a bit similar. Nintendo's games have never failed to entertain me up to this point, so why do you think I would get bored anytime soon? The reason why I stick with Nintendo is because they stick with their franchises that I love so much. You express your dislike of Nintendo releasing new installments in their franchises so often, but I love it. It means more games that I'll love to play, more often! And while I do welcome a new franchise from time to time (Elite Beat Agents, Pikmin, and a lot of Nitendo's one-off WiiWare and DSiWare titles are great examples of this, as well as the upcoming FlingSmash), it's Nintendo's well established franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Pok
 
Tyeforce said:
DarthGohan1 said:
Since everyone's writing really long, but really good, posts I'm just going to reference things people have said rather than quoting everything.

@Tye - Psychonaut highlighted the main things I was trying to say... although I feel he was a bit harsh. I don't think Tye is a fanboy... I think the word should only be used when appropriate. His favorite games may be Nintendo's, but (and I don't know your exact job / where you work) he is able to recommend any game for the right person. I also don't know your age, Tye, but I'm assuming somewhere between 13-16... and I'd bet that withing 3 or 4 years (assuming you keep buying a decent number of games and playing different games, etc. over that span) you too will start to get bored with games, both Nintendo's and others'.

As for the main argument, I'm not saying stop making games for the big franchises. But Nintendo currently has the attitude that every year or two they NEED to release a new Mario/LoZ/Metroid/DK/Kirby/AC/etc. game. Not true! If someone @ Nintendo has a really good idea for a new game in one of those franchises, awesome! But if not, don't force it. Psycho brings up another good example in Metroid Prime. One of my favorite games of all time is Super Metroid. I can't tell you how excited I was when Metroid Prime came out. To be honest, I'm not a big fps fan so I didn't enjoy the game as much as other people. But it was a really neat game. MP2 came out w/ a new story, new features, etc. and it also sold really well. But was there anything new left for Nintendo to do with Metroid after that? Not enough for a $50 game. And they released MP3... a good game, but what kind of new experience was it? It was MP2 with a new storyline and updated Wii controls...

The fact is Nintendo doesn't NEED to push out these franchise games so often. Give new franchises a chance. And when the time is right add on to everyone's favorite oldies. When they give new things a chance they're usually amazing - Pokemon in 1998, Super Smash Bros. in 1999, Animal Crossing in 2001/2, ... this list goes on: Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Pikmin, Mario Party... and how often when they release a new game are they just beating a dead horse? For every Super Mario Galaxy (aka good addition to a franchise) there's a Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party 8, etc. etc (the beating of dead horses).

In summary, I wish they'd keep their good franchises going while releasing many more original creations. Because all good franchises once were original creations... and there's only so far each one can go.
Just for your information, I work in the electronics department at Toys "R" Us, and I'm 19, 20 in October. Certainly not 13-16, lol. And guess what? I've never gotten bored of Nintendo's games in my 19 years of life. I don't need a game to be completely new and fresh in order to enjoy it. Hell, just look at games like Super Mario Galaxy 2. It reuses a lot from the first Super Mario Galaxy, and looks, plays, and controls almost identical, but it's still being called one of the best games ever, if not the best. Like I've been saying, sometimes more of a good thing isn't bad, even if things seem a bit similar. Nintendo's games have never failed to entertain me up to this point, so why do you think I would get bored anytime soon? The reason why I stick with Nintendo is because they stick with their franchises that I love so much. You express your dislike of Nintendo releasing new installments in their franchises so often, but I love it. It means more games that I'll love to play, more often! And while I do welcome a new franchise from time to time (Elite Beat Agents, Pikmin, and a lot of Nitendo's one-off WiiWare and DSiWare titles are great examples of this, as well as the upcoming FlingSmash), it's Nintendo's well established franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Pok
 
DarthGohan1 said:
Tyeforce said:
DarthGohan1 said:
Since everyone's writing really long, but really good, posts I'm just going to reference things people have said rather than quoting everything.

@Tye - Psychonaut highlighted the main things I was trying to say... although I feel he was a bit harsh. I don't think Tye is a fanboy... I think the word should only be used when appropriate. His favorite games may be Nintendo's, but (and I don't know your exact job / where you work) he is able to recommend any game for the right person. I also don't know your age, Tye, but I'm assuming somewhere between 13-16... and I'd bet that withing 3 or 4 years (assuming you keep buying a decent number of games and playing different games, etc. over that span) you too will start to get bored with games, both Nintendo's and others'.

As for the main argument, I'm not saying stop making games for the big franchises. But Nintendo currently has the attitude that every year or two they NEED to release a new Mario/LoZ/Metroid/DK/Kirby/AC/etc. game. Not true! If someone @ Nintendo has a really good idea for a new game in one of those franchises, awesome! But if not, don't force it. Psycho brings up another good example in Metroid Prime. One of my favorite games of all time is Super Metroid. I can't tell you how excited I was when Metroid Prime came out. To be honest, I'm not a big fps fan so I didn't enjoy the game as much as other people. But it was a really neat game. MP2 came out w/ a new story, new features, etc. and it also sold really well. But was there anything new left for Nintendo to do with Metroid after that? Not enough for a $50 game. And they released MP3... a good game, but what kind of new experience was it? It was MP2 with a new storyline and updated Wii controls...

The fact is Nintendo doesn't NEED to push out these franchise games so often. Give new franchises a chance. And when the time is right add on to everyone's favorite oldies. When they give new things a chance they're usually amazing - Pokemon in 1998, Super Smash Bros. in 1999, Animal Crossing in 2001/2, ... this list goes on: Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Pikmin, Mario Party... and how often when they release a new game are they just beating a dead horse? For every Super Mario Galaxy (aka good addition to a franchise) there's a Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party 8, etc. etc (the beating of dead horses).

In summary, I wish they'd keep their good franchises going while releasing many more original creations. Because all good franchises once were original creations... and there's only so far each one can go.
Just for your information, I work in the electronics department at Toys "R" Us, and I'm 19, 20 in October. Certainly not 13-16, lol. And guess what? I've never gotten bored of Nintendo's games in my 19 years of life. I don't need a game to be completely new and fresh in order to enjoy it. Hell, just look at games like Super Mario Galaxy 2. It reuses a lot from the first Super Mario Galaxy, and looks, plays, and controls almost identical, but it's still being called one of the best games ever, if not the best. Like I've been saying, sometimes more of a good thing isn't bad, even if things seem a bit similar. Nintendo's games have never failed to entertain me up to this point, so why do you think I would get bored anytime soon? The reason why I stick with Nintendo is because they stick with their franchises that I love so much. You express your dislike of Nintendo releasing new installments in their franchises so often, but I love it. It means more games that I'll love to play, more often! And while I do welcome a new franchise from time to time (Elite Beat Agents, Pikmin, and a lot of Nitendo's one-off WiiWare and DSiWare titles are great examples of this, as well as the upcoming FlingSmash), it's Nintendo's well established franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Pok
 
Tyeforce said:
DarthGohan1 said:
Tyeforce said:
DarthGohan1 said:
Since everyone's writing really long, but really good, posts I'm just going to reference things people have said rather than quoting everything.

@Tye - Psychonaut highlighted the main things I was trying to say... although I feel he was a bit harsh. I don't think Tye is a fanboy... I think the word should only be used when appropriate. His favorite games may be Nintendo's, but (and I don't know your exact job / where you work) he is able to recommend any game for the right person. I also don't know your age, Tye, but I'm assuming somewhere between 13-16... and I'd bet that withing 3 or 4 years (assuming you keep buying a decent number of games and playing different games, etc. over that span) you too will start to get bored with games, both Nintendo's and others'.

As for the main argument, I'm not saying stop making games for the big franchises. But Nintendo currently has the attitude that every year or two they NEED to release a new Mario/LoZ/Metroid/DK/Kirby/AC/etc. game. Not true! If someone @ Nintendo has a really good idea for a new game in one of those franchises, awesome! But if not, don't force it. Psycho brings up another good example in Metroid Prime. One of my favorite games of all time is Super Metroid. I can't tell you how excited I was when Metroid Prime came out. To be honest, I'm not a big fps fan so I didn't enjoy the game as much as other people. But it was a really neat game. MP2 came out w/ a new story, new features, etc. and it also sold really well. But was there anything new left for Nintendo to do with Metroid after that? Not enough for a $50 game. And they released MP3... a good game, but what kind of new experience was it? It was MP2 with a new storyline and updated Wii controls...

The fact is Nintendo doesn't NEED to push out these franchise games so often. Give new franchises a chance. And when the time is right add on to everyone's favorite oldies. When they give new things a chance they're usually amazing - Pokemon in 1998, Super Smash Bros. in 1999, Animal Crossing in 2001/2, ... this list goes on: Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Pikmin, Mario Party... and how often when they release a new game are they just beating a dead horse? For every Super Mario Galaxy (aka good addition to a franchise) there's a Metroid Prime 3, Mario Party 8, etc. etc (the beating of dead horses).

In summary, I wish they'd keep their good franchises going while releasing many more original creations. Because all good franchises once were original creations... and there's only so far each one can go.
Just for your information, I work in the electronics department at Toys "R" Us, and I'm 19, 20 in October. Certainly not 13-16, lol. And guess what? I've never gotten bored of Nintendo's games in my 19 years of life. I don't need a game to be completely new and fresh in order to enjoy it. Hell, just look at games like Super Mario Galaxy 2. It reuses a lot from the first Super Mario Galaxy, and looks, plays, and controls almost identical, but it's still being called one of the best games ever, if not the best. Like I've been saying, sometimes more of a good thing isn't bad, even if things seem a bit similar. Nintendo's games have never failed to entertain me up to this point, so why do you think I would get bored anytime soon? The reason why I stick with Nintendo is because they stick with their franchises that I love so much. You express your dislike of Nintendo releasing new installments in their franchises so often, but I love it. It means more games that I'll love to play, more often! And while I do welcome a new franchise from time to time (Elite Beat Agents, Pikmin, and a lot of Nitendo's one-off WiiWare and DSiWare titles are great examples of this, as well as the upcoming FlingSmash), it's Nintendo's well established franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Pok
 
DarthGohan1 said:
Tyeforce said:
DarthGohan1 said:
Tyeforce said:
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepthe best. Like I've been saying, sometimes more of a good thing isn't bad, even if things seem a bit similar. Nintendo's games have never failed to entertain me up to this point, so why do you think I would get bored anytime soon? The reason why I stick with Nintendo is because they stick with their franchises that I love so much. You express your dislike of Nintendo releasing new installments in their franchises so often, but I love it. It means more games that I'll love to play, more often! And while I do welcome a new franchise from time to time (Elite Beat Agents, Pikmin, and a lot of Nitendo's one-off WiiWare and DSiWare titles are great examples of this, as well as the upcoming FlingSmash), it's Nintendo's well established franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Pok
 
the game doesn't have to be reinvented, it just has to be more than the same game, plus a bonus level and some items.

the camera is a gimmick. it's a function that has little effect on the gameplay, unless it is the main star of the show, in which case the game is a test demo, or a game to take advantage of this feature alone. if the camera becomes something useful in gaming, it will have to start as a gimmick like this, but I personally doubt that it will grow out of this stage, and will be like sony's eyetoy.

I don't see how heart gold/soul silver really added any ways to play, beyond the poke walker which (unless it is a feature/peripheral that they continue to use in new games) was just a gimmick. I bought it, but it's just a gimmick, and it's uses are limited. it's fun, and I play/use it more than I play the actual game, right now, but that doesn't mean it will be implemented in the future, or that it is anything of value when considering the game/series on the whole. it's the pokemon pikachu (2) remade, and it will be as remembered as that device was in enough years/time.

curious, honestly, what did city folk add to the game? DLC every now and again is one thing if you want to count that, and there was the city (which is just a few buildings for things that existed in the city, if I'm not mistaken, if I am, correct me), a fountain, which was in the game, but removed from WW, and... gogogo.

my point to bringing up valve at all was the sheer amount of content and (free/no extra fee) support that is given for the price, compared to any nintendo game. the only one that comes close is probably animal crossing, because the game can be replayed and customized near-infinitely, if you have the time/patience.

Nintendo needs to innovate and re-invent their franchises, or else they are going to be stale when bought every year. I like that the legend of zelda usually only has two games per console, meaning one every 2 and a half years, roughly (I think? correct me if wrong)
the pokemon games are getting a little out of hand though, if anyone was surprised at that.

and at this point, I say...

I really want to finish this conversation, but I'm a lazy, lazy man.

that, and I've had this one post open for a good thirty minutes, and forgotten/lost my train of thought.

basically, no game NEEDS video chat, whether or not it's used/optional, and nintendo needs to stop trying to focus on these "features"/gimmicks, and add something to the real game, for people who still care. not that they aren't already doing so, but that they need to, and a lot, before they lose their devoted fanbase.

like that'll ever happen. lol

edit: OH SH- tye's 19/almost 20? you could've fooled me, sadly :/ Psychonaut is also 19, though just freshly/recently
 
Psychonaut said:
[ignorance]
And you're the one telling me that I'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
 
I've never seen such lengthy arguments in my life, you guys have impressive stamina/attention spans. XD

But anyway, video chat sounds cool. =) Just have to watch out for creepers.
 
Tyeforce said:
Psychonaut said:
[ignorance]
And you're the one telling me that I'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
wikipedia said:
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed

You still havent told me what you define as ignorance.

And also, you use that word too much, get a muth fuggin' thesaurus.
 
Ron Ronaldo said:
I've never seen such lengthy arguments in my life, you guys have impressive stamina/attention spans. XD

But anyway, video chat sounds cool. =) Just have to watch out for creepers.
Nintendo is the first video game company to introduce children to the horrors of chat roulette.
 
Ciaran said:
Ron Ronaldo said:
I've never seen such lengthy arguments in my life, you guys have impressive stamina/attention spans. XD

But anyway, video chat sounds cool. =) Just have to watch out for creepers.
Nintendo is the first video game company to introduce children to the horrors of chat roulette.
Ogawd.

I'm playing with a paper bag over my head. <=\
 
Ciaran said:
Tyeforce said:
Psychonaut said:
[ignorance]
And you're the one telling me that I'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
wikipedia said:
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed

You still havent told me what you define as ignorance.

And also, you use that word too much, get a muth fuggin' thesaurus.
You know damn well what ignorance means, so don't act stupid. Ignorance, by definition, is lack of knowledge or information, which includes, of course, ignoring details and disregarding facts.
 
Tyeforce said:
Ciaran said:
Tyeforce said:
Psychonaut said:
[ignorance]
And you're the one telling me that I'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
wikipedia said:
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed

You still havent told me what you define as ignorance.

And also, you use that word too much, get a muth fuggin' thesaurus.
You know damn well what ignorance means, so don't act stupid. Ignorance, by definition, is lack of knowledge or information, which includes, of course, ignoring details and disregarding facts.
I am aware of what it means, I wanted to know what your definition was, because you wrongly used it 40+ times in this thread.

No-one 'ignored' any givin facts, we just think it's stupid.
 
Tyeforce said:
Psychonaut said:
[ignorance]
And you're the one telling me that I'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
damn, tye. you really just try to piss me off, huh?

I seriously wish that I could find the image macro for different people have different opinions.

thanks for ignoring what I said, makes it all worthwhile.

tl;dr of this thread,
u-mad1.jpg
 
Rawburt said:
Good lord, do people really read all these essay length posts?
Probably not. Which makes me wonder why I even bother saying all that I do if the people I'm arguing with aren't even going to listen to me.
 
Tyeforce said:
Rawburt said:
Good lord, do people really read all these essay length posts?
Probably not. Which makes me wonder why I even bother saying all that I do if the people I'm arguing with aren't even going to listen to me.
They don't want to listen, Tye. :< People like different things, and facts often don't sway opinions.

Moral of the story: It's okay for everyone to like different things, right? =D
 
Ciaran said:
Tyeforce said:
Ciaran said:
Tyeforce said:
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepI'm the ignorant one. Let's just put this to rest, seeing that neither one of us will be coming to an agreement anytime soon.
wikipedia said:
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed

You still havent told me what you define as ignorance.

And also, you use that word too much, get a muth fuggin' thesaurus.
You know damn well what ignorance means, so don't act stupid. Ignorance, by definition, is lack of knowledge or information, which includes, of course, ignoring details and disregarding facts.
I am aware of what it means, I wanted to know what your definition was, because you wrongly used it 40+ times in this thread.

No-one 'ignored' any givin facts, we just think it's stupid.
Don't play stupid. Ignorance has a broad definition that encompasses many situations. Most of the time when I use it, it's used in the sense that people are being ignorant of (meaning disregarding or ignoring) the fact that people have different preferences and interests, so you're opinion isn't a fact like you think it is. Or, in the case of this thread, people are being ignorant of the actually subject and reason why I posted it, which was first and foremost to inform people. Instead, people start jumping to conclusions and stating their baseless opinions on a feature that we don't even know much about yet as fact, which is, again, ignorance.
 
I read everything that tye posted, and tried to reply to everything he said, but so much was restated that it gets difficult to respond to him, and what he said to 3 other people, along with myself, and saying more than "you're wrong because I'm right"

oh god this thread.

Tyeforce said:
Ciaran said:
Tyeforce said:
Ciaran said:
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepI'm
You know damn well what ignorance means, so don't act stupid. Ignorance, by definition, is lack of knowledge or information, which includes, of course, ignoring details and disregarding facts.
I am aware of what it means, I wanted to know what your definition was, because you wrongly used it 40+ times in this thread.

No-one 'ignored' any givin facts, we just think it's stupid.
Don't play stupid. Ignorance has a broad definition that encompasses many situations. Most of the time when I use it, it's used in the sense that people are being ignorant of (meaning disregarding or ignoring) the fact that people have different preferences and interests, so you're opinion isn't a fact like you think it is. Or, in the case of this thread, people are being ignorant of the actually subject and reason why I posted it, which was first and foremost to inform people. Instead, people start jumping to conclusions and stating their baseless opinions on a feature that we don't even know much about yet as fact, which is, again, ignorance.

he wasn't playing stupid, he was asking for your definition, since you had given no defined set for the word. it's a common strategy/courtesy in formal debates (as in school classes) to define what words you use, so that the opponent knows what you mean, and can't misinterpret your words purposefully in order to gain leverage over you, using their own definitions.

and yeah, I lol at your usage of it multiple times per post.
 
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