You do realize that other staff can host events right?? Whether it be current staff or future staff. Chris is not the be-all and end-all. I know your memories of Jackbox games sound very glamorous, but it’ll be okay I promise!!
Do you remember when the staff de-modded another staff member for sharing accounts with another member? The staff member didn’t get removed immediately, but agreed to step down after the next direct. Stuff like this take time.
I’m sorry people are upset in your DMs but it’s wild to me that you can call people disagreeing with staff “a mob” (rude), and dismiss other people for not thinking someone who has been predatory should be a staff member - but someone calling you out for being rude and dismissive is the problem?
It's already devolving because some staff is failing to take accountability for their actions whether past or present. And if we want to go by your logic then technically Chris is the "next target" considering there is a user that was targeted and banned (unjustifiably).
I might respond more in-depth tomorrow since I'm supposed to be sleeping, but to quickly reply since I appreciate the explanation-- I feel as though a lot of context is being missed here. firstly, you mentioned the "consenting adults" example in your original post as well, and I am glad that chris reiterated that point, but the concern wasn't with that one post in particular but with a history of posts, some dating back a few years ago and some much more recent. it's also behavior that people had noticed was occurring in some of the chats during streamed gaming sessions, which are now deleted. if I'm not mistaken some of the people expressing their concerns about this are minors, or are at the very least close to it, so I think it's fair for those members (and anyone else!) to express their discomfort. again, it wasn't just the one post with a disclaimer about consenting adults, it was a history of behavior that people have noticed and chris himself has even acknowledged. to be clear I'm very glad he acknowledged this--I said as much in my previous post and pretty much everyone else who has commented on this has said so as well--but imo acknowledging it and apologizing for it is only the first step in regaining the trust and sense of comfort in those of us who were discomforted by the behavior. there are members who have been punished for much less on this forum, so I think some sort of reprimand for chris is appropriate here. you said you think it's unfair that members have posted they feel chris shouldn't be on the staff, but can I ask why that is? shouldn't the rest of staff know if a significant portion of the userbase feels that way? I don't think it's unfair to expect staff members to be held to a higher standard and if so many members are voicing their discomfort with a particular staff member that should be addressed. I genuinely do feel for chris and understand how hard it must be to read all this, but I just don't think it's unreasonable to want him to take a step back from moderating in light of all this. apologies should be met with action.That was my post, so I'll try to explain.
The posts before that had brought up a concern re: a staff member's posts. Fair.
When said staff member posted an apology, along with an explanation and a plan moving forward (also fair), this was met with more aggression, imo, along with some statements that were very disturbing. Unfair.
Trying to be non-offensive here, sorry if i fail, but will try.
If a person states their age 'preferences' but has a very CLEAR disclaimer of: providing everyone is consenting adults - that means what it says, consenting adults.
Imo it was extremely unfair and disturbing to then see members post that this person shouldn't be working with minors, that it is predatory, and they shouldn't be on staff. Very unfair.
I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to be in that person's shoes, having clearly stated only consenting adults, and now years later being labeled predatory and told to step down. Ridiculously unfair and extremely hurtful.
And the posts toward the staff member were aggressive and repetitive, and nothing the staff member could offer would satisfy anyone, the hurtful posts kept coming.
If you treat it like an Easter egg hunt, you can find numerous (like, a lot) older posts speaking of uhm, subject matter people might rather not have on the forum.
I did some searching, and boy there's some interesting older posts.Some (esp staff) have been on this forum a long time. It's probably a much different forum today than it used to be. Some things posted in the past would never be posted today by the same people.
But these posts are in the past. If the feedback was - this type of post makes people uncomfortable, maybe we shouldn't have it on the forum. Fair.
But going after staff for older posts and then refusing to accept their sincere apologies, explanations, and willingness to change and move the forums forward - very unfair.
The main themes of people i heard from -
Nothing will satisfy the people who are angry, apologies are ignored.
Fear of speaking out and becoming a target themselves when they just want people to be less aggressive.
Imo, if there's a divide, it's in the way people are treating the sincere apologies that have been offered and the nature of the posts making demands of staff (like staff stepping down) or labeling staff a certain way (see first spoiler), or the general agressiveness. Just my 2 cents before i fall asleep.
one more note and then I'll go to bed for real so I'm sorry for the brevity, but I just wanna reiterate that there are also people who aren't comfortable speaking up in this thread because they've seen concerns dismissed and called hostile and aggressive. I'd hope everyone who wants to say something in here feels like they can do so and realizes that just because people may disagree it doesn't mean it's a personal attack, but if someone's not comfortable, I get staying away and keeping concerns private in the contact the staff thread. protect your peace! I just wanted to note that the vague gestures toward hostility and referring to those who disagree as the mob is hurtful for others to read as well. I'm not sure which posts some people are reading as rude, but if by chance it's any of mine, please feel free to reach out to me and let me know so I can re-examine how I'm wording things. I'm a big fan of accountability
