Continuing off from
where I left off earlier...
Trojan
Yeah that was a reaction test! Tina failed
That thing with the reaction test was kind of a joke that I made in the moment. I wasnt doing it as a reaction test, I actually thought it would benefit the town. After you guys said that it wouldnt work I passed it of as a reaction test.
If you want to see my thing with Kit and Tom just click my name on the home page.
This is sketchy as hell. You make a suggestion that basically just hands our roles over to the mafia on a silver platter, see people think it doesn't work, and then flip it onto me in order to make me look bad for no reason other than to push attention off of yourself? Scum play. You could have resolved that in other ways. When I made a mistake yesterday with how vig shots are refunded I owned up to and admitted it. I didn't try and fight the person who corrected me (Karla).
Essentially he just feels like he's commenting on everything while at the same time saying nothing. Reading through his filter is just a ton of spam.
Trojan usually just ****posts and doesn't do anything, so him actually playing is somewhat of a rarity. I'm not saying he's scum but it's a very weird shift in playstlye, wouldn't you agree?
Good comment from Daniel regarding Trojan too. His play style has changed since early game after this comment was made. He's just spamming a **** ton. But at the same time I'm thrown agreeing with this statement because...
Call Me Daniel
... I've mentioned several times that I felt Daniel was being very pushy day one, in that he was deeming people inactive and came to very fast conclusions about people day one. He even asked me on day one what I was doing for town - which coupled with other things made me think that he was strangely certain in his opinions.
2 people that don't sit well with me this whole game.
Meow for literally only posting to defend themselves and being quiet the rest of the game, when in forest fire Mafia they actually where scumhunting. They're not doing anything but defending themselves and disappearing
All llamas has been doing is agreeing with people and stating the obvious.
He also criticised Ness for being defensive at one point. I don't know how on day one -- not even toward the end of day one -- that these sorts of comments are really safe to make. I get the impression that such certainty comes from having more knowledge than the rest of us. Also, this response to me posting
silly photo of Meg:
I would have died if one of the tabs was the scum chat for this game
It irks me that his mind would instantly go to that. Is that because you would have to stop and consider whether or not you had something to hide if you took a photo that contained part of your computer screen? And, likewise Trundle -- he's someone I'm always ultra-wary of -- but it just stood out to me that two people I already had a bad impression of would make such similar, semi-accusatory (humorous) moments.
tina: glad ur posting at last. yes VT = vanilla townie. theres no reason for me (or anyone) to claim vet if they werent hit. ive cleared endless based on his posts and the N1 flips. i thought he was a relatively obvious first choice to save on N1 as a medic so i dont believe he's some sort of bulletproof mafia or third party role. i also have stated my concerns about trundles claim and am in no way dropping my guard wrt him.
what interests me is why ur approaching endless/trundle from the angle that one or both of them must be scummy. it seems awfully biased since u dont seem to have given any actual reads on either of them. it's incredibly paranoid to come up with theories that they are scum team in cahoots or some ridiciulous scenario where endless is third party who got shot by scumdle. leaving the "what happened N1" aside, can you give some actual reads on both their posting style and content? because you surely must have reason to dismiss the idea that endless is town.
also your thoughts on oath, since hes top of my suspicion list and u didnt address him in ur post
It was more rage-induced stream-of-consciousness rather than mapping out an argument, so I wasn't really looking back through the thread unless I recalled something specific. Just spitting out scenarios as they came to mind.
I'm always wary of Trundle. Always. Every game. There's something off in his posts but it's hard to place it. How he's making very safe accusations - mostly piggybacking off of others comments. Has he brought up any names directly himself? Because glancing through his filter I can't anyway. The only redeeming quality for me was that we seem to agree on Daniel.
It's not unheard of for a scum player, after a failed shot, to claim it was them in order to try to clear themselves as town and I think that is exactly what is happening here. I might find it more believable if Trundle had claimed before Endless, but it just all seems a little too convenient to me. Weak reasoning. Poor shot if true. Use of it on N1 and reasoning behind it just as silly.
This situation just feels fabricated and the this certainty of belief rather than being cautious bothers me. It feels like we're walking into a trap instead of questioning everything.
Endless has me baffled. Day one I said I couldn't read him, and that's because while he was making good points I did not like the tone in his posts. One being this one:
Alright, Kit is either mafia, or as incapable of coherently constructing reads as daniel. Kit, for your sake I hope it's the former.
Kit's reads are trash for the following reasons: The panda read, I've already addressed.
Ender is pulling his usual bull****, nothing to look at there.
There are roughly 4-5 inactives including Tom, singling Tom out makes absolutely no sense. Moreover, being inactive is only a scumtell if you're avoiding the game, which Tom, as a reasonable player, has absolutely no motivation to do.
Additionally, what the living hell are they trying to achieve by pushing the the king? What do they contribute towards the day by doing that? Both you and I know the answer is absolutely nothing, but they're trying to make it out as otherwise? For their sake I really hope they aren't town.
M3ow is horribly obvious mafia and needs to be killed ASAP. I haven't the slightest inkling as to how Ashtot picked up on this one but I'll give it to him, their responses after he pushed them is singleminded defensiveness towards Ashtot. That level of defensiveness (Irrational defensiveness) just about only ever comes from mafia. (Most likely because they feel like they have more to defend than the case presented against them, knowing that the person is right, regardless of the strength of the case.)
I can follow the train of logic on Ayaya being mafia, for similar reasons I don't care to repeat. I don't feel like emphasizing this read because it's been done to death by Endless and Karla.
Once again it's the same reason Daniel bothers me. That certainty in opinion early on - like he absolutely knows Panda's alignment. My impression was "bussing or trying to lynch someone opposite you?" Maybe its just his attitude of casting peoples comments as "trash" and "bull****", but it doesn't ring a bell with how I remember him playing at all. Of course styles can differ game to game. And if I were to say one of the two were most likely innocent, I would say it is Endless. And when I saw he had claimed a hit I believed him. But the fact he is so blindly believing Trundle rather than considering the idea that Trundle could be scum lying to gain his trust concerns me. It's unwise behaviour.
As for Oath, I'll get to him next post. Getting toward needing a break again, but I'll clear up a couple things first.
I'm on the fence with Tina and Panda. I have asked Panda to respond and she hasn't posted at all since despite lurking for a while, and the impression I get from Tina is that she's been mostly responding to people and posting her opinion to a matter than trying to figure out alignments.
I'll be placing my vote for Tina for now. I was waiting for the rest of her reads but it's 3 AM right now and I might miss the deadline or be too busy to post. My reasons for voting her:
- She was included in Ender's suggestion for King
- The reads that she posted seems mostly speculative (saying I might be third party but not really making a case why?) and I expected more from her
- The impression I get that I already stated above.
If you read my previous longer post (and you did, as you've mentioned it here) you'll see I am trying to figure out alignments.
- he posted about a quarter of the players in the game on that list, all experienced players IIRC.
- I didn't make a case because I don't think you're third party. I already said I think I know your role and that it wasn't the scenario I laid out. My point was people aren't considering possibilities, and you aren't "confirmed town" like you stated. I wanted to address that in case people believed it was 100% true as said in the point underneath, it was more of a wake-up call because I feel people are already falling into the trap of blindly following the 'leaders' like sheep.
I feel like you're just voting for me because I said something about you, even though I wasn't even presenting a case.
Love ayayas vote on Tina since I mentally noted to skim their content tomorrow after their bad read that trundle/me aren't both town. (I mean seriously? Where did that come from. If you think trundles reasons for shooting me were bad, then that just makes him mafia/serial killer. If you think it's a ploy then trundle is mafia in addition to me being mafia. Those are both wildly inaccurate but justifiable stances. However, there is no scenario where I'm mafia and trundle is town without demonstrating a reason that I would be mafia mutually exclusive to the trundle/me situation. No such reason was presented. [Hence the comment should be "I don't think trundle is town" not "I don't think they're both town", which is still most likely wrong but a lot more logical. The only thing I can tie this down to is a really really weird gut read. And that isn't what it was presented as. Idk, I haven't reread her yet so I refrained from pushing on her, but that was a seriously bad read.)
See my response to Karla above. I don't think it's a bad read at all. If you're truly town I think you're being misled by the idea that, 'our claims match up so it must be true', rather than looking at everything that is fishy about this situation. My consideration that you might not be town is based on thinking, "why
isn't he suspicious of Trundle's claim?" And that led me thinking that a possible reason for this lapse in judgement could be carelessness of being scum yourself. Yes that's a stretch but honestly, I started working out scenarios and trying to think of the reasoning behind them and that was one way that made sense to me why you are so certain he's town.
