So... Obama won...

[Bulerias]

Also, he might not stay el presidente for long. They think he is lying about being born here, and he won't show the government his birth certificate, so what does that tell you?

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. What does that tell you?

Obama's birth certificate was already revealed, by the way. It DOES seem like the only argument conservatives have against an Obama presidency, but it's obviously too late, sorry.

nope, and he was not... I don't know where you heard that.

But they're still looking for the real one. They won't let them see it, so they're going through all these legal matters...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Obama was born in Hawaii. Not Kenya.

 

[Bacon Boy]

but i see no finger prints, or footprints that they put on your birth certificates...
and they're looking for the real one

 

[Sporge27]

But this nation was founded by Christians. It's been proven time and time again. And they even said a nation can't be run without God.

What's your point? I'm pretty sure Obama goes to church more and is a bigger Christian than McCain, heh.

he's not a Christian. He says he is, but he doesn't believe in parts of the Bible. If you're a Christian, you believe the whole Bible as the truth.

Alright if you believe in the Bible completely you are obligated to stone me, you can't eat shrimp, beards are out (despite Jesus depicted with one).

Believing the entire Bible with no questions is just incorrect. It is made by and translated by man. It is also normally in the form of parables which are not meant to be actual truth, but fiction used to reveal truth. The Bible is also heavy in what was just tradition, and they back the tradition up with stories to keep them alive.

The pope changes his mind on matters based on new evidence on what is good in the world, sometimes they got things wrong.

 

[Bacon Boy]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

 

[Sporge27]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

Is there somewhere that Obama said he doesn't believe in all of the Bible or Christian values? Cause otherwise he is as much of a Christian as anything, but what scares me is what if he was a Muslim? Islam is based on love as much as Christianity is. Why listen only to the extremists, I hope people outside of Christianity don't only look at the Westboro Baptist church and how they picket military funerals saying they deserved to die..... or the Spanish inquisition. As long as a religion is based on good values there should be no problem with it.

 

[Jman]

Bacon boy- You've been watching too much TV lately. You can't believe everything you see or hear. Some people will just make it sound illegal or whatever so you support their candidate. Basically the media is usually full of crap. They can swing it one way or another. Your entitled to your own opinion though.


Yay Obama! Thank God he won.... He deserved it. I found it hilarious how desperate McCain was. I mean who cares about someone's middle name? And this fake "Joe the Plumber" who isn't even a licensed plumber? McCain shot himself in the foot. Obama should be an awesome president though, especially from what I've seen on the local news over the years. He's a great speaker, and is just an overall good guy. I wonder what they're going to name that new puppy.

YES WE CAN.

 

[Bacon Boy]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

Is there somewhere that Obama said he doesn't believe in all of the Bible or Christian values? Cause otherwise he is as much of a Christian as anything, but what scares me is what if he was a Muslim? Islam is based on love as much as Christianity is. Why listen only to the extremists, I hope people outside of Christianity don't only look at the Westboro Baptist church and how they picket military funerals saying they deserved to die..... or the Spanish inquisition. As long as a religion is based on good values there should be no problem with it.

He said so himself, and I do believe those parts WERE the rules back then which is even stated.

 

[Micah]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

When Jesus died on the cross he abolished the old law, giving us freedom from it. Thus we no longer were under it because the only way to be saved was through him and not by works or the old law.

 

[Jeremy]

We are SUPPOSED to have that but the government doesn't follow the Consitution. :gyroidsurprised: And I don't even mean only stuff like torture and privacy rights... by the 10th Amendment, every federal government agency and program is illegal. It has to be written in the Constitution. Department of Homeland Security which Bush created... Department of Energy, Carter created... illegal, the war on drugs... illegal, etc.

Some people try to say that the Constitution can be loosely interrupted. But the 10th Amendment and the overall Bill of Rights is quite clear. The governments job is only to protect life, liberty, property. So any mob that tries to infringe on that... government should stop. But what happens when the government itself does that like today?

We no longer have a legitimate form of government because it does not follow the Consitution. Awwww, I love John Locke. :gyroidgrin:

This has happened because... well to be frank... stupid people have elected stupid politicians and somebody needs to wake them up to what has happened. I was asleep just a year ago too, so I'm not saying I'm any way superior (lol).

Well actually I think the tenth amendment was made in a way to allow the government to run programs if it was heavily scrutinized. I mean getting 2/3s vote is pretty tough to do on anything.

Yes they can be scared into stuff but if it is really something unwanted it shouldn't be able to get through.

Personally I think somethings are better kept out of the hands of corporations, but that doesn't mean I am right I know. But I like public transportation, or our postal system. Somethings are ridiculous and made specifically to destroy rights like the war on drugs. Prohibiting use of drugs so people have the right to be away from them is one thing but attacking what people do in their own house is another. The key is responsibility, and it shouldn't be the governments.

Actually nope. The 10th Amendment clearly says it has to be left up to the states if it is not in the Constitution. The only reason why this fact is so hard to believe for the majority of people is because it exposes such a big truth that it clearly shows that the federal government is no longer legitimate. I don't know what you're talking about when you say 2/3 though...

 

[Sporge27]

Actually nope. The 10th Amendment clearly says it has to be left up to the states if it is not in the Constitution. The only reason why this fact is so hard to believe for the majority of people is because it exposes such a big truth that it clearly shows that the federal government is no longer legitimate. I don't know what you're talking about when you say 2/3 though...

What I mean is that the constitution can be edited... by a 2/3s majority in the house and senate. I never read into the constitution much but I assumed you meant that they added stuff in so they could run things like the post office... I don't know if I am right there though.

 

[Bulerias]

I got into a debate with some fundamentalists earlier today and they think Obama is the Antichrist... hahahahaha.

One of the guys I talked to thinks the economic crisis was caused by abortion and that Obama's going to make things worse in that regard. Uhh, yeah, he's pro-choice, but abortion --> economic crisis? Wowwww...

 

[Jeremy]

Actually nope. The 10th Amendment clearly says it has to be left up to the states if it is not in the Constitution. The only reason why this fact is so hard to believe for the majority of people is because it exposes such a big truth that it clearly shows that the federal government is no longer legitimate. I don't know what you're talking about when you say 2/3 though...

What I mean is that the constitution can be edited... by a 2/3s majority in the house and senate. I never read into the constitution much but I assumed you meant that they added stuff in so they could run things like the post office... I don't know if I am right there though.

Oh, yah it's supposed to be amended. But it can't just not be followed.

And the 10th Amendment says if it isn't written in the Constitution it has to be left to the states. Everyone was aware of this common sense for quite some time, which is why it took a Constitutional Amendment to ban alcohol. As much as I disagree with that, AT LEAST they did it properly. See, they used to actually understand the 10th Amendment... but now nobody cares about this.... it's the Bill of Rights for goodness sake! Almost everything the federal government does today is unconstitutional. And all of the country's problems can be related to this issue. The last constitutional war we were in was WWII... think of all the greeeeat wars we've had since then!

 

[Jeremy]

I got into a debate with some fundamentalists earlier today and they think Obama is the Antichrist... hahahahaha.

One of the guys I talked to thinks the economic crisis was caused by abortion and that Obama's going to make things worse in that regard. Uhh, yeah, he's pro-choice, but abortion --> economic crisis? Wowwww...

Lol....

But he really will make it worse. I'm sure that person has no idea why though. :gyroidtongue:

It's because he supports more government intervention.

 

[Micah]

I got into a debate with some fundamentalists earlier today and they think Obama is the Antichrist... hahahahaha.

One of the guys I talked to thinks the economic crisis was caused by abortion and that Obama's going to make things worse in that regard. Uhh, yeah, he's pro-choice, but abortion --> economic crisis? Wowwww...

Actually, Obama doesn't fit the description of the Beast (Antichrist) in Revelation. Maybe one of the 10 kings though...

 

[Sporge27]

I got into a debate with some fundamentalists earlier today and they think Obama is the Antichrist... hahahahaha.

One of the guys I talked to thinks the economic crisis was caused by abortion and that Obama's going to make things worse in that regard. Uhh, yeah, he's pro-choice, but abortion --> economic crisis? Wowwww...

sigh... same reason why me having a boyfriend = hurricane Catrina....of and that wearing lucky socks helps you win at casinos.

 

[Bacon Boy]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

When Jesus died on the cross he abolished the old law, giving us freedom from it. Thus we no longer were under it because the only way to be saved was through him and not by works or the old law.

GO KOEHLER! YOU'RE ON MY TOP LIST OF PEOPLE ON TBT!

 

[Sporge27]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

When Jesus died on the cross he abolished the old law, giving us freedom from it. Thus we no longer were under it because the only way to be saved was through him and not by works or the old law.

GO KOEHLER! YOU'RE ON MY TOP LIST OF PEOPLE ON TBT!

gah my point is that Obama probably said something about not believing the Bible to be true because of things like this, and may be the fact that many stories are told in a pretty unrealistic way, that I don't think were meant to be taken literally. Artists use lies to reveal truth and that is what I see in the Bible. My point still stands.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I got into a debate with some fundamentalists earlier today and they think Obama is the Antichrist... hahahahaha.

One of the guys I talked to thinks the economic crisis was caused by abortion and that Obama's going to make things worse in that regard. Uhh, yeah, he's pro-choice, but abortion --> economic crisis? Wowwww...

Actually, Obama doesn't fit the description of the Beast (Antichrist) in Revelation. Maybe one of the 10 kings though...

Because....

Obama MAY be from the middle east.

But!

He does not meet the ideals YET! Let's just wait, if he brings up one world government, we KNOW he's the antichrist.

To KOEHLER: Also, what I'm thinking is that this economic crisis might lead to the abolishment of money which we will require a supplement for which might bring on the mark of the beast. Someone will bring it up. And HE will be the antichrist. BUt things will happen before that which I know I won't be here for. But this could be leading to that.

 

[Bacon Boy]

FYI. Levitics is what you are referring to. It's the old laws, compared to the new laws. So that settles that.

But look, I'm done with this, it's an endless fight. None of us want to change our opinions.
I'm laying down my pride and my guns (guns figuratively speaking) and walking away.

Look you said either you believe the whole Bible or you are not a Christian. that is what I had a problem with. You just admitted that part was wrong, so how can you say that? Interpretation is as important as what is there in the bible.

When Jesus died on the cross he abolished the old law, giving us freedom from it. Thus we no longer were under it because the only way to be saved was through him and not by works or the old law.

GO KOEHLER! YOU'RE ON MY TOP LIST OF PEOPLE ON TBT!

gah my point is that Obama probably said something about not believing the Bible to be true because of things like this, and may be the fact that many stories are told in a pretty unrealistic way, that I don't think were meant to be taken literally. Artists use lies to reveal truth and that is what I see in the Bible. My point still stands.

So, you think Adam and Eve, Noah, Jesus, Paul, Revelation and the rest are just parables? Or just make up stories? Uh no, a real Christian believes the Bible for the truth, not just some book made to entertain with good-moraled stories!

 

[Jeremy]

Bacon Boy, you don't need to attack Obama's religion to realize that he'll be a bad president. =)