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[tobi!]

If you haven't heard for some reason, 150 people were killed in a plane crash recently. They believe the co-pilot intentionally locked the captain out and crashed the plain with the intent to kill everyone.

Some people believe he's innocent.
At a press conference earlier, prosecutor Brice Robin gave a disturbing account of the cockpit voice recordings extracted from black box. He said Lubitz locked his captain out after the senior officer left the flight deck.And asked whether he believed the crash that killed 150 people was the result of suicide, he said: 'People who commit suicide usually do so alone... I don't call it a suicide.'

What are your thoughts?

 

[Fhyn_K]

May the dead rest in peace. In regard to the suicide, it is not that at all; that is mass-homicide. I can only speculate on the information that is here and I find it hard to believe that Lubitz is innocent. That man chooses to lock out the pilot and then disables the only contingency that will let him back into the cockpit; he knows what he is doing. Disgusting.

 

[00ToxicLove00]

I saw this yesterday it's so sad. I also heard the pilot had something to do with it but why kill tons of ppl? Idk it's just sad.

 

[LambdaDelta]

I'm left more baffled as to why there's a lock override switch than anything else tbh


I mean I get the idea of it, but

its like some sort of twisted comedy when you stop to think how much differently things could've gone if that little ****off switch didn't exist

 

[Murray]

I'm left more baffled as to why there's a lock override switch than anything else tbh


I mean I get the idea of it, but

its like some sort of twisted comedy when you stop to think how much differently things could've gone if that little ****off switch didn't exist

That's a stupid and pointless perspective to have. You can say that about anything ever yet it solves nothing.

 

[LambdaDelta]

That's a stupid and pointless perspective to have. You can say that about anything ever yet it solves nothing.

"thinking about stuff in such a way that could prevent future tragedies is stupid"

ok

 

[Murray]

"thinking about stuff in such a way that could prevent future tragedies is stupid"

ok

so you get the idea of it yet in this one isolated case you think it's bad? dont really make sense


ok

 

[LambdaDelta]

"I get the idea of it" in no way implies I think its a good idea period

especially in how its implanted (even existing, there should at least be a way for high authority to bypass it)

 

[Murray]

"I get the idea of it" in no way implies I think its a good idea period

especially in how its implanted (even existing, there should at least be a way for high authority to bypass it)

well then you clearly don't get the idea of it??

 

[LambdaDelta]

well then you clearly don't get the idea of it??

because making it where the person that has the ability to keep the plane under control unable to return if they're barred entry is clearly a good idea

 

[Gandalf]

It's a design that anticipates for the bad guys to be on the other side of the door, not in the cockpit to begin with.

Either way, please don't turn this into an argument. Keep to the topic and be respectful.

 

[LambdaDelta]

It's a design that anticipates for the bad guys to be on the other side of the door, not in the cockpit to begin with.

I understand that, but its also exactly why I consider it to be poorly implanted.

A system which gives one side (in this case the cockpit) maximum authority is just asking for something terrible to happen with that system being abused, even if its not the intended effect.

 

[Reindeer]

I understand that, but its also exactly why I consider it to be poorly implanted.

A system which gives one side (in this case the cockpit) maximum authority is just asking for something terrible to happen with that system being abused, even if its not the intended effect.

The cockpit is supposed to have maximum authority to ensure the safety of everybody on board. It's a grim way of saying it, but if assailants were to hurt a few people the plane could still land safely. If those guys got into the cockpit, the entire plane could go down and kill everybody with it. Think of what happened on 9/11, and you get the idea.

The thing that went wrong here is that Lufthansa (the parent company) doesn't have a rule regarding how many people have to be in the cockpit. With most other companies, if the pilot or co-pilot leaves to go take a leak or whatever, another crew member has to come in and sit in the cockpit. This isn't the first time a pilot decided to crash a plane on purpose, so a lot of companies implemented that rule for safety reasons. And because Lufthansa doesn't have that rule (at least they didn't at the time), the co-pilot was allowed to be left alone.

 

[LambdaDelta]

The cockpit is supposed to have maximum authority to ensure the safety of everybody on board. It's a grim way of saying it, but if assailants were to hurt a few people the plane could still land safely. If those guys got into the cockpit, the entire plane could go down and kill everybody with it. Think of what happened on 9/11, and you get the idea.

its also why I said to only give high authority overriding access earlier

I do agree it shouldn't be something anyone could get to. that'd be dumb as ****. but having it where the pilot cannot get back in? that isn't any smarter

The thing that went wrong here is that Lufthansa (the parent company) doesn't have a rule regarding how many people have to be in the cockpit. With most other companies, if the pilot or co-pilot leaves to go take a leak or whatever, another crew member has to come in and sit in the cockpit. This isn't the first time a pilot decided to crash a plane on purpose, so a lot of companies implemented that rule for safety reasons. And because Lufthansa doesn't have that rule (at least they didn't at the time), the co-pilot was allowed to be left alone.

yeah, and there's certainly this too. which in its own way would've worked to keep this situation more in check

 

[Reindeer]

its also why I said to only give high authority overriding access earlier

I do agree it shouldn't be something anyone could get to. that'd be dumb as ****. but having it where the pilot cannot get back in? that isn't any smarter

I'll agree with that. However it'll be a few years at least before such a system is fully integrated in all new and currently existing planes. Until then there should just be good rules regarding the safety of the cockpit. Lufthansa is already going to catch a lot of **** for this (rightfully so), so the best we can hope for is that aviation companies which have lax rules tighten them up in light of this. There's crazies everywhere.

 

[LambdaDelta]

I'll agree with that. However it'll be a few years at least before such a system is fully integrated in all new and currently existing planes. Until then there should just be good rules regarding the safety of the cockpit. Lufthansa is already going to catch a lot of **** for this (rightfully so), so the best we can hope for is that aviation companies which have lax rules tighten them up in light of this. There's crazies everywhere.

yeah basically

I'd say even having a rule regarding how many people in the cockpit isn't enough, but at least it doesn't give one person that full authority. humans are fundamentally flawed, and entrusting one single person to the lives of many (especially in this case where the "many" has no way to protect themselves) is never a good idea. since as you mentioned, crazies are everywhere. especially where you don't expect them to be

but yeah, it'll be a while before anything happens. so the best we can do for now is hope this situation causes things that can be easily changed and implanted to be, and that we can then work on improving passenger and crew safety even more in the coming years


which on a side note, I think just simply setting up universal airline rules would also help a lot too, if only to make things more streamlined and easier to improve in the future

and on another side note, I keep misreading this thread's title as GundamWings

 

[Manzanas]

I think just simply setting up universal airline rules would also help a lot too, if only to make things more streamlined and easier to improve in the future

It would be extremely helpful.