Feminism Discussion Thread

[Capella]

clothes dont have genders

 

[kayleee]

it's more like

girl stereotypes: dumb, cares about nothing but clothes/makeup, hates sports/physical activity
boy stereotypes: no emotions, successful, hates clothes/makeup, loves sports

boys/girls feel they're not like other boys/girls because they do not fit into said stereotypes
it is more common in girls than boys because girls have more negative stereotypes associated with them, but they say it for the same reasons basically

Yeah but the difference is when a girl exhibits all those stereotypes she is ridiculed, when a boy exhibits all their stereotypes they aren't made fun of. Like no boy is ridiculed for having no emotion or liking sports. Those are just viewed as common male traits whereas a girl who is "boy crazy" or cares a lot about their appearance is mocked because of their stereotypical "girlness"

So girls try to disassociate themselves from common traits of being a girl by saying they aren't like other girls to escape that ridicule, which in turn causes them to be ridiculed because "oh look at her thinking she's so special"

Like they literally cannot win

 

[pillow bunny]

clothes dont have genders

i'm pretty sure you said this to spite me, but yes i agree and that's what i've been trying to say

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

boy stereotypes: no emotions, successful, hates clothes/makeup, loves sports

TIL I'm very boy-ish: I run around football tackling people whilst naked and walk away without a care in the world.
The success part comes from me doing a sick touchdown dance on their lawn.

 

[pillow bunny]

Yeah but the difference is when a girl exhibits all those stereotypes she is ridiculed, when a boy exhibits all their stereotypes they aren't made fun of. Like no boy is ridiculed for having no emotion or liking sports. Those are just viewed as common male traits whereas a girl who is "boy crazy" or cares a lot about their appearance is mocked because of their stereotypical "girlness"

yeah i think guys who don't fit their gender norm have more trouble than girls though, so it goes both ways (but girls generally have it worse). really though, people should be trying to eliminate these stereotypes rather than talk about which ones are better or worse

 

[Beardo]

Shut er' down, Fleur!

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

yeah i think guys who don't fit their gender norm have more trouble than girls though, so it goes both ways (but girls generally have it worse). really though, people should be trying to eliminate these stereotypes rather than talk about which ones are better or worse

People already complain about this, and this is because if a boy isn't acting "how a boy should", then he's acting in a feminine manner, and feminine = bad.

It's not about girls being encouraged to act out of their stereotype and boys being encouraged to act within it, it's both genders being encouraged to not act stereotypically "girly"

 

[Dinosaurz]

I find that men are sometimes worse, people assume that if you say/do one thing to a woman, everyone blows up. But if a woman does something to a man, no one cares. In the USA/ first world only!

 

[pillow bunny]

Shut er' down, Fleur!

i'll actually be really offended if i get a warning, because it will literally just be for having an unpopular opinion. i am not being antagonistic or rude, especially compared to some other people here

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People already complain about this, and this is because if a boy isn't acting "how a boy should", then he's acting in a feminine manner, and feminine = bad.

It's not about girls being encouraged to act out of their stereotype and boys being encouraged to act within it, it's both genders being encouraged to not act stereotypically "girly"

it's not the "girliness" that is being shunned really
i mean, of course it's bad and wrong, but i think people saying it's only a problem because they're acting "girly" are trying to make boy's issues about girls and that's bad

idk

 

[TarzanGirl]

pillow bunny, you can't have a discussion about a topic such as this based on logic. Most people are just too emotional.

 

[Tao]

Okay well I've literally never seen that

It must literally never happen then.

 

[ams]

Hmm I might be jumping in at a bad time here, but back to the feminism thing. I always find these discussions confusing because I don't have a liberal arts background at all so when I think of feminism I'm not thinking about feminist theory or history as its taught in that context. I went to an all girls school growing up and I always understood feminists to just be people who believed in equal rights and opportunities despite gender, and also acknowledged and opened up discussions about unique challenges faced by women in our culture and others around the world. My male high school English teacher always called himself a feminist and basically explained his stance in the way I've mentioned. By that definition I would absolutely consider myself a feminist.

I can totally understand though that with feminism (and basically every other social movement) something that starts out with the purpose to unite people and promote equality just ends up inevitably becoming radicalized and having the exact opposite effect. Again, I am probably choosing the worst time possible to bring this up in this thread, but I feel the same way with the LGBT rights movement. I see so many LGBT people who are incredibly radical and are basically just polarizing people's opinions even more. Speaking as someone who is female and LGBT, it really saddens me that people within my own communities are corrupting movements that should be drawing people together.

 

[kayleee]

It must literally never happen then.

Yup you're exactly right and you weren't even a smart ass about it

 

[piichinu]

Men are ridiculed for being too girly
Girls are ridiculed for being too girly

See the common denominator here

 

[Tao]

Men are ridiculed for being too girly
Girls are ridiculed for being too girly

See the common denominator here

I dunno. Men tend to get ridiculed for cheating, lacking communication skills, being slobs, being ignorant and being aggressive among other things since they're not positive traits. They are however traits that stereotypical men are supposed to have. Women also get ridiculed for those things.

Men get ridiculed for being manly.
Women get ridiculed for being manly.

 

[piichinu]

Men get ridiculed for being manly

aight

 

[Tao]

Men get ridiculed for being manly

aight

In the context with the examples I was using, yes.

 

[pillow bunny]

every aspect of sexism goes both ways
some might affect women more than men and vice versa, but they are always both affected

 

[Princess]

I still think 'feminists' just doesn't sound right.

For a group that's supposed to be equal rights, it's already off to a bad start since the name alone sounds like it benefits one group more than another, even if it doesn't. That (along with those who want superiority rather than equality) are probably why a lot of people just mock and ignore them.

The origin for the name is because that "group" is not benefitting more than it's opposite currently. So it's a way to raise it to an equal level. But that's not all what feminism fights for.
The name doesn't really matter as much as the concept does.

Anyway, I'm definitely a feminist. Anyone that believes in in equality among all sexes is a feminist.

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The thing with extremists in feminism is that they constantly contradict themselves. For instance they'll say that women should be allowed to wear whatever they want because it's their own body etc. but then complain about the sexualization of cartoon characters simply because of what their wearing.

There's a difference between wearing whatever you want and purposely sexualizing underage females within the media, for the specific media's target audience.

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PS if your feminism actively EXCLUDES trans women and trans males
you are not a feminist.

 

[Ashtot]

There's a difference between wearing whatever you want and purposely sexualizing underage females within the media, for the specific media's target audience.

I agree, I was more referencing that there are times when it is clearly not sexualization but people claim that it is, I should have mentioned that in my post.

Also when it comes to the whole "im not like most girls/im not like most guys thing". It affects both.

When it comes to guys there's also the fact that a lot of guys are seen as animals that just want sex and aren't loving etc. and it makes me really sad because contrary to popular belief, good hearted men do exist.