brutalitea
tae bae
Vaccinations should be compulsory.
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Debate: Vaccines
- Thread starter oath2order
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I mean you only get the measles shot once so why not just get it? I got the measles shot when I was little and I have all of my shots already so I don't really seethe big deal on not getting vaccinated
But I refuse to get the flu shot since I'm older and can refuse it also has your doctor even try to persuade you to get a certain vaccination because when they asked me if I want the flu shot the try to persuade me to get it after I said no then when I revisited them they tried to convince me AGAIN to get it and my answer was still no gosh these doctors
But I refuse to get the flu shot since I'm older and can refuse it also has your doctor even try to persuade you to get a certain vaccination because when they asked me if I want the flu shot the try to persuade me to get it after I said no then when I revisited them they tried to convince me AGAIN to get it and my answer was still no gosh these doctors
Miss Vanian
the people's poet
i mean, even if vaccinations did cause autism, (which they don't) would you rather have and autistic kid or a dEAD KID
vbunny
Dredgen
personally I'll confess to some bias. I'm going into medical assisting so I'd firmly believe in the idea of vaccinations. I also know that the basis for arguing against the vaccines was founded on the work of Andrew Wakefield. He tried linking vaccinations to autism by citing a form of colitis only found in autistic children. In his research he collected a group of children, and tried to claim that the vaccinations gave them this colitis and autism. It was later found out that his sample had a bias since he used children who already had autism as his study sample. He also lost his medical license (though he's somehow practicing in Austin Texas?) and his medical journal on this autism-vaccine link was redacted from the lancet!
sorry if it got long winded there, I had to do some research on this guy in one of my classes. honestly people who don't get their kids vaccinated really infuriate me.
sorry if it got long winded there, I had to do some research on this guy in one of my classes. honestly people who don't get their kids vaccinated really infuriate me.
It's not the doctor's fault that the flu virus adapts so quickly.
But I only don't get the flu shot because I am so lazy with this stuff. Like why should I have to drive all the way to the doctors to sit in a chair for a half hour, get an uncomfortable shot, then get sick from said shot. 8/10 experience.
Brackets
Mon the Biff.
Yes flu shots change every year, but they are still important for some groups of people. In the UK you only get them if you're at an increased risk of suffering more from the flu. For example I get them because I have bad asthma and flu could exacerbate it. Yes flu mutates and the vaccines for for it are usually 70-80% effective but that's still better than nothing.
Fair enough it's probably not worth you getting it if you're a healthy 20 year old, but for some people flu can kill. And getting slight side effects from the shot is a lot better than death.
Fair enough it's probably not worth you getting it if you're a healthy 20 year old, but for some people flu can kill. And getting slight side effects from the shot is a lot better than death.
Astro Cake
Senior Member
I don't understand why vaccinations are up for debate in the 21st century.
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Mon the Biff.
There are several types of vaccine, and they DO sound scary and ridiculous if you don't understand how they work.
They can be dead, they can be alive but attenuated, they can be segmented, and they can just inject you with a small amount of toxin that a bacteria makes.
Each pathogen (bad bacteria or virus) has its own specific antigens, which trigger our immune system to make the correct antibodies to fight the pathogens. Once you've made those antibodies, they'll stay in your system for a long time, sometimes life.
Basically what the vaccines do is stimulate your immune system to produce the specific antibodies WITHOUT having to be infected by the disease - your body just THINKS it's infected. Then, if you ARE exposed to the disease, it's ok because you already have the antibodies.
Basically, there's nothing to worry about.
nammie
resident rep nana
people who dont vaccinate their kids are disgusting and need to keep their filthy spawn away from other children.
their BS reasons like my kid's never gotten sick and they're not vaccinated!!! yea and then when they do they'll catch some deadly preventable disease and die good job
the reasoning "I heard it causes autism!!!" (which is 100% false) is so ****ing dumb too like... even if it was true you'd rather have a dead child than one with autism.... ok....
their BS reasons like my kid's never gotten sick and they're not vaccinated!!! yea and then when they do they'll catch some deadly preventable disease and die good job
the reasoning "I heard it causes autism!!!" (which is 100% false) is so ****ing dumb too like... even if it was true you'd rather have a dead child than one with autism.... ok....
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Mon the Biff.
For anyone doubtful about vaccines, I really recommend a book called 'Deadly Choices' by Paul Offit, M.D. It's really good, reads well, very informative and basically destroys any anti-vaccine arguments.
Watchingthetreetops
*~Rude intolerance here~*
I hate to sound a bit morbid here...but to me, this whole thing is natural selection at work. I think that autism is a horrible thing to fear; I don't think people realize that their children could potentially /die/ if they don't have these vaccinations. If they did, I don't know if they would mind autism, and speaking of autism, it isn't caused by vaccines. The whole autism ordeal is the main reason we're being given that people don't want to vaccinate their children, but there's also religious people who believe in 'praying the diseases away'. And...I know that people dying in mass amounts is something I do not wish, but at the same time....if you are not educated enough on these issues and choose to sentence a child to a horrible, disease ridden life, or worse, they end up dying, maybe your child should die? I know how that sounds, but...again, this all boils down to natural selection to me. If you really don't educate yourself on these things....then maybe we could do without your genetics in the gene pool, and make more space for people who learn and give a damn about the future.
I sound very harsh here...and I'm sorry. I don't wish anyone to have these diseases. I am just very disgusted with people, and how they seem to believe that bad things won't happen to them. We are not gods. We are made of material that is vulnerable to the elements. I respect the decision of the parents. It's their choice, after all. That respect I have allows me to keep my mouth shut and lower my head, as to not cause a disruption in social settings. At the same time, it doesn't make me believe that the decision is any less stupid then it is, and if people are /that/ /stupid/, let their genes fizzle out.
I sound very harsh here...and I'm sorry. I don't wish anyone to have these diseases. I am just very disgusted with people, and how they seem to believe that bad things won't happen to them. We are not gods. We are made of material that is vulnerable to the elements. I respect the decision of the parents. It's their choice, after all. That respect I have allows me to keep my mouth shut and lower my head, as to not cause a disruption in social settings. At the same time, it doesn't make me believe that the decision is any less stupid then it is, and if people are /that/ /stupid/, let their genes fizzle out.
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Mon the Biff.
^ the thing is, it wouldn't work like that. That's the main issue here. If people start not getting vaccinated, it won't just be them that get ill or die. Firstly, there are people that are too immunocompromised (e.g. AIDS) or too young to be vaccinated. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if your month-old baby caught whooping cough off someone who didn't get the vaccination.
Secondly, as most vaccines aren't 100% effective we rely on herd immunity to make sure the diseases are kept at bay. In the recent measles outbreaks, some vaccinated people have been affected too.
Secondly, as most vaccines aren't 100% effective we rely on herd immunity to make sure the diseases are kept at bay. In the recent measles outbreaks, some vaccinated people have been affected too.
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