Are you a feminist?

Are you a feminist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 59.8%
  • No

    Votes: 31 24.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 20 15.7%

  • Total voters
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wait, I think people is only talking about women's rights. Isnt feminism about equality? Why no one complains about men not able to wear pink clothes or skirts, for example?? And yes I know men don't often get in trouble for those things, but do they have to be ignored bc they are a minory??


"What about men wearing skirts"
"What about men wearing makeup"
"How come custody cases show bias towards women than men?"
"How come people make fun of stay at home dads?"
"How come rape cases with men as victims aren't taken seriously?"


That's a list of the most common complain of this category I hear when people talk about women's rights, and that's okay because these are totally justified and understandable complaints.

But look at them carefully and tell me what all of them have in common? I don't wanna make this convoluted or like some sort of quiz so I'll just tell you: all of those things are considered to be typically feminine. Let's go down the list and I'll explain.


Men get made fun of wearing skirts because they're considered women's clothing. Women don't get made fun nearly as much for wearing something traditionally masculine such as a suit, and when they are the people doing so are usually made fun of more.

Men get made fun of for wearing make up for similar reasons, though I can't really think of something that men are expected to wear that would be in equivalence with makeup.

Women are shown to be given more bias in custody cases because men are traditionally seen as lesser parents - meaning that being a caretaker is seen as traditionally feminine, and men should never be feminine ever. (Sarcasm)

A similar line of thought can be applied to stay at home dads. Stay at home moms is a traditionally feminine "ideal", so when it's applied to a man people recoil at it.



And finally, rape cases for men aren't taken as seriously because of a few reasons:
1- Many people believe men LOVE sex. They can't get enough of it. They're like sharks.
Conversely, many people believe that women DESPISE sex. They always try to avoid it. (Insert marriage jokes)

2- The same people have the idea that men are almost always more physically capable than men. They're stronger, faster, etc.

You can debate the second one all you want, but when these two ideas mix together, then OBVIOUSLY the man wasn't raped, he WANTED to have sex, and how in the world could a woman who DOESN'T force it onto him? And even if it were true HOW could she do it? (Sarcasm)


I went off on a bit of a tangent there, but let me tie it all together with this:

TL;DR

The reason why I believe it's still called feminism, isn't just because the coin was termed back when the goal was women's suffrage, but because nowadays the idea is to give all genders the opportunity to practice both masculine and feminine roles however they like without either being shunned for it. This goal, however, has to particularly emphasize the feminine aspect, because it's the same feminine aspect that's shunned when it's applied to a man.


So yes, feminism applies to men just as much as it applies to women.
 
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I'm more concerned about women's rights in country where they are actually treated badly. Not in North America where "mansplaining" is an "issue" and trigger warnings or safe zones are being taken seriously.
 
wait, I think people is only talking about women's rights. Isnt feminism about equality? Why no one complains about men not able to wear pink clothes or skirts, for example?? And yes I know men don't often get in trouble for those things, but do they have to be ignored bc they are a minory??

We literally talked about all those things in this thread before

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I'm more concerned about women's rights in country where they are actually treated badly. Not in North America where "mansplaining" is an "issue" and trigger warnings or safe zones are being taken seriously.

???? What's wrong with trigger warnings though
 
Wow. 23 pages already. Can someone give a short recap?

Short recap: A lot of people have no idea that feminism deals with gender equality for all, including mens issues, despite it being said in this thread like 1000 times
 
When I refer to women in Saudi Arabia suffering, its the poor migrant workers who come to work only to get groped and abused. I donated to a woman who got her arm cut off. I would say Saudi Arabia is at least very behind in worker rights, the maids have no freedom there and can't escape. Considering I have a lesbian friend in Saudi Arabia whos horrified she will get executed, my opinion of the country isnt very high. Not like the west is any better in terms of history, I very much dislike the west, but Saudi Arabia is behind on human rights.

excuse me? maids have all the freedom here. i know because i have never lived without a maid. and neither did anyone else i know. they can't "escape" because we PAY them to stay here and do their work, and we also PAID for their ticket(s) here and there. and you know what? more maids kill children than families kill maids. so if they're living in a good household, doing regular maid things, being treated right and paid well, they have NO rights to run away from the house. please don't speak about SA have little worker rights when you are very misinformed and uneducated about it.
as for the lesbian thing sorry but we can't help it even though most of us reaally would like to help we just don't want to die


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and honestly, don't act like SA is the only country where poor migrant working women get sexually assaulted, it happens LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. and i'm pretty sure nobody likes it. just like how nobody likes isis, but that doesn't mean we can just tell them to stop and they'll leave us alone? majority of saudi arabia is PISSED when a video of any form of abuse ever is online. unless you were living under a rock (or just VERY racist), you'd know that
 
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excuse me? maids have all the freedom here. i know because i have never lived without a maid. and neither did anyone else i know. they can't "escape" because we PAY them to stay here and do their work, and we also PAID for their ticket(s) here and there. and you know what? more maids kill children than families kill maids. so if they're living in a good household, doing regular maid things, being treated right and paid well, they have NO rights to run away from the house. please don't speak about SA have little worker rights when you are very misinformed and uneducated about it.
as for the lesbian thing sorry but we can't help it even though most of us reaally would like to help we just don't want to die


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and honestly, don't act like SA is the only country where poor migrant working women get sexually assaulted, it happens LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. and i'm pretty sure nobody likes it. just like how nobody likes isis, but that doesn't mean we can just tell them to stop and they'll leave us alone? majority of saudi arabia is PISSED when a video of any form of abuse ever is online. unless you were living under a rock (or just VERY racist), you'd know that

Well of course they have the right to run away, it's not like if they were slaves right? And why would they run away if the job is good and they have nothing to complain about? Unless they run away with all your furniture and money. Also I don't get why one would need a maid that could murder children O.O, better not hiring them if they have bad reputation.
 
Short recap: A lot of people have no idea that feminism deals with gender equality for all, including mens issues, despite it being said in this thread like 1000 times

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Well of course they have the right to run away, it's not like if they were slaves right? And why would they run away if the job is good and they have nothing to complain about? Unless they run away with all your furniture and money. Also I don't get why one would need a maid that could murder children O.O, better not hiring them if they have bad reputation.

no they CANT run away and no theyre NOT slaves. it's basically like as if you were to cut class because "you got enough information already" (except switch information w money and there u go, maids running away.) also we don't hire maids with "bad reputation" honestly i don't think anyone does but some maids are just a little wonky in the head and decide to do some things oh lawd. one time one of our old maids tried to hack into my mom's computer lol she got sent back so fast
 
I'd like to live in a world where all humans are treated with equality and the respect that they personally deserve.
 
No, because feminism equals sexism which is no better than what feminists are "fighting"......
 
um no
pls explain...???

Most feminists I have met are very condescending to males. They claim they want equality because they feel oppressed by the male stereotype when in reality feminists just try to find ways to oppress men. If they truly wanted equality then there would be no need to put a title on there need to feel equal. Everybody is equal and nobody is better than anyone else. Modern day feminist oppression is a way to real problem in this time and I do not agree with it whatsoever.
 
Well of course they have the right to run away, it's not like if they were slaves right? And why would they run away if the job is good and they have nothing to complain about? Unless they run away with all your furniture and money. Also I don't get why one would need a maid that could murder children O.O, better not hiring them if they have bad reputation.

Oh my oh my. It seems you have a very strong prejudice against a country you've only heard stories of. Let me tell you one thing, some maids are very fickle. There are many reasons why they would want to run that have nothing to do with abuse. Have you ever thought that maids are humans too? They have desires and ideals too. I'm not from Saudi but maids behave the same in my country, they really do love to run away even if we treated them like family. Reasons? They met a guy they want to live with, they don't really like cleaning/taking care of kids, they became a maid to come to our country legally then they run away and live with people from their country and then they sell food at the side of the road or something. My aunt's maid ran away after stole all of my aunt's gold jeweleries. There are many reasons why maids would run away. You just don't understand because you've probably haven't encountered these type of people.

Regarding maids that kill children; Have you ever seen someone and just thought, hmmm this person is a killer, better not have anything to do with them. Is that logical? Obviously, you hired a maid through agencies. You have no idea what this person truly is like inside. They may be good at cleaning but have severe anger issues or are very impatient with kids. Some of these maids are fresh off the boat, they have no reputation or whatsoever to speak of yet and you are the unlucky one to have been her first employer. Is it right then, to blame the parents?

Please think about what you're saying and stop being so prejudiced.

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Most feminists I have met are very condescending to males. They claim they want equality because they feel oppressed by the male stereotype when in reality feminists just try to find ways to oppress men. If they truly wanted equality then there would be no need to put a title on there need to feel equal. Everybody is equal and nobody is better than anyone else. Modern day feminist oppression is a way to real problem in this time and I do not agree with it whatsoever.

Do you really feel oppressed by feminists? Please tell us more about it.
 
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Oh my oh my. It seems you have a very strong prejudice against a country you've only heard stories of. Let me tell you one thing, some maids are very fickle. There are many reasons why they would want to run that have nothing to do with abuse. Have you ever thought that maids are humans too? They have desires and ideals too. I'm not from Saudi but maids behave the same in my country, they really do love to run away even if we treated them like family. Reasons? They met a guy they want to live with, they don't really like cleaning/taking care of kids, they became a maid to come to our country legally then they run away and live with people from their country and then they sell food at the side of the road or something. My aunt's maid ran away after stole all of my aunt's gold jeweleries. There are many reasons why maids would run away. You just don't understand because you've never encountered these type of people.

Regarding maids that kill children; Have you ever seen someone and just thought, hmmm this person is a killer, better not have anything to do with them. Is that logical? Obviously, you hired a maid through agencies. You have no idea what this person truly is like inside. They may be good at cleaning but have severe anger issues or are very impatient with kids. Some of these maids are fresh off the boat, they have no reputation or whatsoever to speak of yet and you are the unlucky one to have been her first employer. Is it right then, to blame the parents?

Please think about what you're saying and stop being so prejudiced.

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Do you really feel oppressed by feminists? Please tell us more about it.

Nope. And I never said I did. I just dont think that feminist should feel high and mighty because they are female. Thats like having pride of your nationality which is wrong. You didnt choose to be male or female and you dont choose the color of your skin. If feminists are fighting for equality then they might as well be called equalists.
 
Nope. And I never said I did. I just dont think that feminist should feel high and mighty because they are female. Thats like having pride of your nationality which is wrong. You didnt choose to be male or female and you dont choose the color of your skin. If feminists are fighting for equality then they might as well be called equalists.

whats wrong with being proud of who you are
what is bad is shaming other people for what they are
 
whats wrong with being proud of who you are
what is bad is shaming other people for what they are

Its not what kind of life you are given. Its what you do with that life that matters. To me being proud of yourself for your heritage is ridiculous for the fact that you were not given a choice at birth. Example: Being born into a rich family doesn't make you better than anyone else. Sure, it might make you wealthier, but not a better person. Being proud of who you are for the things you have done is a totally different angle. All of this leads back to feminism in the sense that being a feminist doesnt make you equal, it singles females out that choose to act high and mighty over males. feminism does not equal equality. Only equality equals equality.
 
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