visibleghost
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^ ppl laughing at your jokes doesn't make your jokes automatically Good lol
Your thoughts on humor when it comes to offensive/ traumatic things?
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Rape jokes are always at the expense of victims/survivors.
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thought I would elaborate
Rape jokes very often make light of people being raped, these jokes make rape something to laugh about with your mates after a few drinks, they make young boys think it's okay to joke about what they'd do to a female classmate. The vast majority of rape jokes play on the strength and power (most) men have over (most) women, they rely on fear and abuse of power.
This is always at the expense of victims. Having something so traumatic happen to you and hearing people at the bar, joking about the hypothetical drugging and rape of a girl they know, and laughing about it, that's destroying. The pain and suffering that victim has gone through is now reduced to a joke, people think it's funny. Even if they joke is told by a victim, it can most definitely still have a negative affect on another victim.
Rape is not something to be made into a joke. Rape "jokes" are not funny. Rape is something that literally destroys lives. Just because you aren't saying "hahahaha, you got raped" doesn't mean that it isn't at the expense of a victim, because it is.
This is always at the expense of victims. Having something so traumatic happen to you and hearing people at the bar, joking about the hypothetical drugging and rape of a girl they know, and laughing about it, that's destroying. The pain and suffering that victim has gone through is now reduced to a joke, people think it's funny. Even if they joke is told by a victim, it can most definitely still have a negative affect on another victim.
Rape is not something to be made into a joke. Rape "jokes" are not funny. Rape is something that literally destroys lives. Just because you aren't saying "hahahaha, you got raped" doesn't mean that it isn't at the expense of a victim, because it is.
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Not always. If you're not in the presence of a rape victim that would be horribly offended, you can make a terrible thing like rape into a funny (really dark) joke. That does not mean you approve of it, or that you care any less when it actually happens. I don't think anyone actually approves of horrible things they joke about; again, I think it just makes it easier to deal with, and a little less depressing when you think about it.
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What, other than people thinking it's funny, makes a joke good, then?
What type of rape joke is funny?
Also, you never know when you're in the presence of a rape victim, and it's not about "being offended" it's quite a bit more than that. I know that making a joke of something doesn't mean you approve of it, but it still makes light of the situation, and if you're not a victim, making light of someones suffering or someone's hypothetical suffering is still laughing at the expense of victims. If you tell a rape joke, you might see it as just that, a joke, and you still see it as a completely serious thing, but that doesn't mean that someone hearing that joke thinks of it the same way. Someone might hear the joke and not understand that rape is a serious issue. I don't see how such jokes are ever appropriate or funny.
I'm not at all against dark humour, but jokes about rape just aren't funny. Specially considering that the majority of them are told in such a demeaning way.
Mega_Cabbage
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As long as you tell/imply it as a joke, I think it's fine. Delivery is what matters.
So are you supposed to avoid joking about things because there's always going to be a small chance that someone will hear it and be upset? Intent is what counts when you make a joke about something; if your intent isn't to make a person's situation out to be less than it was, but rather to see the humor in small parts of it, then that should be what counts. I'm not saying rape is hilarious and that we should direct jokes about it towards rape victims; that's absolutely horrible. But a joke that isn't directed at someone can still be funny, even if it's really messed up.
It doesn't matter because we're just going to disagree, but it's not about being upset, I also wouldn't say that it's a "small" chance either. In my opinion, intent isn't what counts at all, I know it's different but if you trip someone up as a joke and they get seriously hurt, does it matter that you didn't intend for them to get hurt? No, what matters is that they're hurt.
See the humor in small parts of someone's situation? That is most definitely demeaning and belittling the victim, it doesn't matter who it's directed to.
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moonbunny
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No, they are not always at the expense of survivors. Rape jokes at the expense of rapists & rape culture in general can be funny. The problem is that they are very, very rare.
I don't even know why I bother trying to explain things to you -___- Intent doesn't matter to you? So all that matters is what you think someone meant, not what they actually meant? That makes a whole lot of sense.
It definitely matters whether you're making a joke about a situation in general, or whether you're directing it towards an individual and their situation. If you intend to be hurtful, you're a jerk. If you're joking about it because it makes you feel better, you're not a jerk. But I guess all that matters to you is emotion and feelings, not logic and rationality.
Dreamy Luigi
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people can be sensitive so i just don't, most of them arent funnt anyway
Twisterheart
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It depends on how the joke is executed. If it's pulled off well I might laugh.
Yeah, but people make dead baby jokes, jokes about things like 9/11 and terrorists and it does make you feel better, even if you kinda feel like you shouldn't be laughing. If we're all serious about everything all the time, things just get depressing which is why humor is such a great thing.
moonbunny
Senior Member
I suppose I'll give an example of the kind of rape joke that, in my opinion, is done right.
In fact, this one led to the public narrative of a beloved individual completely changing. It led to dozens of this rapist's victims coming forward. Although they haven't seen true justice, they at least got to see their rapist's reputation slung through the mud.
"Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the '80s," Buress said in the bit, mocking Bill Cosby's public persona. "Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby," Buress reasoned, "so turn the crazy down a couple notches."
Like I said in my first comment, I'm a fan of comedy that punches up, not down. This is an example of a rape joke punching up. It's rare, but it's doable.
In fact, this one led to the public narrative of a beloved individual completely changing. It led to dozens of this rapist's victims coming forward. Although they haven't seen true justice, they at least got to see their rapist's reputation slung through the mud.
"Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the '80s," Buress said in the bit, mocking Bill Cosby's public persona. "Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby," Buress reasoned, "so turn the crazy down a couple notches."
Like I said in my first comment, I'm a fan of comedy that punches up, not down. This is an example of a rape joke punching up. It's rare, but it's doable.
visibleghost
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a good joke isn't only about some ppl finding it funny, a good joke shouldn't be at the expense of others (as rape jokes often are) and gross ppl can have a gross sence of humour, them finding a joke funny doesnt make the joke good. like if a bunch of tranaphobes made a transphobic joke and They All laughed that dtill doesnt make it a good joke
If a "trahsphobic" joke was meant to be just that, a joke, and the person telling it wasn't trying to be hurtful, then it should be fine. Again, intent is what counts. You can make a gay or trans joke and not be a dick about it.
visibleghost
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yeah but if u are a dick abt then it's not a good joke. and a transphobic joke or a joke that makes fun of rape victims (especially if the joke teller isnt a survivor) are never good jokes
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