just seems like they're crazy and want women to be more powerful than anyone else, but im not gonna talk about them too much myself instead I want to know what tbt thinks of feminism, are you for or against feminism? pls keep any discussion within the rules
your thoughts on feminism?
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Watchingthetreetops
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Sexism is not something that only happens to women, but because it happens it affects all genders. I'm for equality and justice, but...I don't like it when a cause is used as an excuse to ask for things. I believe in what feminism is, but not what it's become. I agree, it's sort of gotten...out of hand. I really just want to see equality and justice for all people.
hydrophonic
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Feminism is about equality, and if by any kinds you aren't a supporter of feminism, i gladly invite you to never talk to me. XXOO.
Soot Sprite
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It's not about being superoir, it's about being equal. Myself (being a girl), have been objectified and treated as less for being female, and that's not how it should be.
If men were treated like women were, I can garuntee they would be just as pissed as women. I'm sure some would act "crazy", but who wouldn't be upset about that?
If men were treated like women were, I can garuntee they would be just as pissed as women. I'm sure some would act "crazy", but who wouldn't be upset about that?
hydrophonic
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because for MILLENIUMS, women have been the opressed gender. Also, feminism also fights for men rights, because what patriarchy has done to society has affected, affects and will afect to EVERYONE.
Now tell me, isn't a man educated to repress his feelings to not show any weakness? Isn't he thought to be agressive, dominant and senseless? Isn't a woman educated to be submissive, caring for her appearance and to be less competitive than men? Oh, yeah, for sure not, we all live in a very equal world, sure!
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oath2order
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I don't see how your comment really argues against what he's saying
Celestefey
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Because feminism does predominantly fight for womens rights but of course I am not saying that it undermines mens problems, not at all, it would be nice if we could all be equal and not feel we must act in a certain way because of who we are, we should just be the person we want to be.
But um... I mean, it's just a word? Surely the movement itself should be more important than what it is called. I mean, we have words such as "history" and "mankind", but that still focuses on females, it is not just an exclusively male subject. Same with feminism. xD Of course feminists want equality between genders, that's why any normal feminist would also care very much about mens rights too. But we never see that happening because it's always the "crazy feminazi" women that you see being talked about on the internet and on the news. You never actually just see the normal people who just campaign for equal rights because... You know, we're all human beings, it's ridiculous to think that some people must be treated more unjustly than others.
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hydrophonic
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He is stating the name shouldn't be feminism because as it seeks equality, it doesn't represent all genders by alluding to only one (i'm assuming), when in reality is called feminism because 1) women are the opressed gender, and even though men also suffer from some of patriarchy's effects, they aren't opressed, they are the opressors. (Opressors by mere gender and in a general way. Not all men have sexist attitudes, but their privileges as men make them opressors by nature). And 2) the fight is against patriarchy, which, surprise, surprise, was and is exclusively conformed by men.
Nightmares
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I hate that in school, girls aren't allowed to play contact rugby, but boys are...!
Apparently the guys have 'more experience'.... -_______-
Well maybe if you let us ****ing play, we'd have experience!
Apparently the guys have 'more experience'.... -_______-
Well maybe if you let us ****ing play, we'd have experience!
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I feel like there's two types of feminists.
Godzilla feminists who are like 'WOMENN RULE KILL ALL MENS WHAT UR A MAN??? GO DIE YOU OPPRESSIVE CHIZHEAD', and a total embarrassment to the movement, but then there's decent feminists who empower women and dislike the patriarchy, but don't fully generalise men and want equality for both genders rather than a matriarchy.
Predominantly, when the term feminism surfaced in around the 1960's, feminism was made for women's rights but today I see men's rights covered a lot too.
Godzilla feminists who are like 'WOMENN RULE KILL ALL MENS WHAT UR A MAN??? GO DIE YOU OPPRESSIVE CHIZHEAD', and a total embarrassment to the movement, but then there's decent feminists who empower women and dislike the patriarchy, but don't fully generalise men and want equality for both genders rather than a matriarchy.
Predominantly, when the term feminism surfaced in around the 1960's, feminism was made for women's rights but today I see men's rights covered a lot too.
oath2order
#Porygon2024
You have got to be joking. History comes from historia. It's not gendered.
Mankind is a shortened version of humankind.
This is as silly as asking "why does the Black Rights movement only have the word "black" in it? Don't all humans have rights?"
When one group (whether that be race, religion or gender) has been marginalized & discriminated against for centuries, there is a need to fight for those rights.
And these things won't stop being an issue until the gap is closed & equality is achieved.
For all those who think that women are equal to men, and feminists are jumping up & down about "nothing"--you can declare that once women have equal pay, can gain a position of political power without large amounts of derision & scorn.
(yes, people still worry more about the attractiveness & mothering abilities of a female politician--not her policies or how well she does the job.
Some will even wonder why she isn't at home raising children, or about her latest hairdo. There will be equal or more media coverage on her skirt/weight/shape/novelty of her femaleness than the latest bill passed)
People can say that when a female leader can do her job in peace without being rated on her clothes or desirability as a partner. (does anyone look at old male politicians & judge them by how "sexy" they should be?)
They can say that when women can post a photo of themselves online in an overweight state & not be met with hatred & comments about whether or not she would make a good partner in bed. (even if her photo is there for reasons that have nothing to do with romance, dating or trying to look attractive--she will still be judged much more harshly than any man would)
They can say that when women aren't the majority of victims for most crimes. When women can walk down a street wearing whatever and not fear for their lives or worse at night.
When the things I am talking about aren't seen as a"normal" things to happen to women & "just a normal part of life". The things that most men don't ever have to worry about in their lifetime (unless they end up in jail!) as a "normal" & "common" thing that may happen to them in their lifetime.
They can say that when women don't have to prove themselves twice as much for leadership positions or in roles of authority such as the leader of a company, security or police.
When women don't have to jump through 10x the amount of hoops as a man to be regarded with the same respect & dignity. To be seen as someone equally valid in a position of power.
They can say that when it isn't a big shock/rare when a women is leading a country, household or expected to raise children alone as "that's the women' job".
When a man can follow the instructions and advice given to him by his partner/wife/girlfriend without being called "whipped" because society believes that the situation should always be reversed.
There are plenty more examples, but this should be enough food for thought. That should be enough for any thinking person to cut through the ignorance regarding the meaning of feminism & the gaps between men & women that still exist today.
I was joking. Didnt you see the Oh wait thing? LOL
hydrophonic
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i was kind of doubting about if it was a joke or not lmao, but i don't quite get them. Sorry!! ;-;
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visibleghost
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feminism is great and definitely needed
Soot Sprite
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This entire post has very good points, and proves why feminism is not only an issue, but needed. There aren't many female politicians, but when there is one, they're questioned for their "female" qualities and not their political stance. Society has deemed women as being the lesser, and not capable of being in control (like the "whipped" comment), using an excuse like their emotional control or stability as to why they don't need a powerful postion.
Feminism isn't about women being better, it's about equality. Men (for the most part) don't need any help getting the respect they deserve, but women do.
That Zephyr Guy
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The reason it's called feminism was because, historically, women were considered to be second class citizens and the idea was to make them equal by raising them up to the standard.
Nowadays, you can interpret the name a few ways. The most notable, and laughable one I've seen is the "woman superiority complex" one, which was explained in the OP of this thread actually.
A better way to look at it, is it's equality for the sexes with an emphasis on women, because as a whole that gender is the one still considered to be "lower". There's still stuff in the movement that outright benefits men, but that leads me to my second point.
The other way to interpret it, would be to see that it's a movement for improving the way society sees things that are "feminine". A big argument people like to throw around with this debate is the "but what about the men, we have issues too", which is perfectly valid - in a discussion about gender equality we need to look at both sides of the equation.
But the question here is, what is it that society gives men a hard time over? A quick rattle of the brain should list a few quick things:
Child custody
How serious people take their rape cases
Showing emotion
Drag Queens
Homosexuality
Etc
Now what do these all have in common?
Child custody? Pah. That's women work. A man is in no way more capable of taking care of that child than his wife.
He was raped? Yeah right, as if he could be forced to do anything by that woman. He's a man after all, they all enjoy sex right?
Crying? Worried? Upset? Man up. Don't be a such *****.
That man is dressing like a girl? God what a creep. That girl is acting like a guy? Yeah she's one of us!
And I don't think I need to explain the direction of penetration in regards to homosexuality.
While there are other examples of it just being "people acting outside their gender roles", keep in mind that a girl acting like a guy is far more accepted than a guy acting like a girl.
I could go on but I digress.
If there's something I want you to take away from this, it's this:
TL;DR - The idea of what is considered masculine and feminine is damaging to both genders. The goal of feminism is to change that by making the feminine aspects be seen in an equal light when compare to the masculine.
I usually try to keep my posts brief, so I'm sorry for the wall of text.
Nowadays, you can interpret the name a few ways. The most notable, and laughable one I've seen is the "woman superiority complex" one, which was explained in the OP of this thread actually.
A better way to look at it, is it's equality for the sexes with an emphasis on women, because as a whole that gender is the one still considered to be "lower". There's still stuff in the movement that outright benefits men, but that leads me to my second point.
The other way to interpret it, would be to see that it's a movement for improving the way society sees things that are "feminine". A big argument people like to throw around with this debate is the "but what about the men, we have issues too", which is perfectly valid - in a discussion about gender equality we need to look at both sides of the equation.
But the question here is, what is it that society gives men a hard time over? A quick rattle of the brain should list a few quick things:
Child custody
How serious people take their rape cases
Showing emotion
Drag Queens
Homosexuality
Etc
Now what do these all have in common?
Child custody? Pah. That's women work. A man is in no way more capable of taking care of that child than his wife.
He was raped? Yeah right, as if he could be forced to do anything by that woman. He's a man after all, they all enjoy sex right?
Crying? Worried? Upset? Man up. Don't be a such *****.
That man is dressing like a girl? God what a creep. That girl is acting like a guy? Yeah she's one of us!
And I don't think I need to explain the direction of penetration in regards to homosexuality.
While there are other examples of it just being "people acting outside their gender roles", keep in mind that a girl acting like a guy is far more accepted than a guy acting like a girl.
I could go on but I digress.
If there's something I want you to take away from this, it's this:
TL;DR - The idea of what is considered masculine and feminine is damaging to both genders. The goal of feminism is to change that by making the feminine aspects be seen in an equal light when compare to the masculine.
I usually try to keep my posts brief, so I'm sorry for the wall of text.
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I've got two degrees in sociology and couldn't have put it better myself.
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