The official Animal Crossing: New Horizons guide revealed the relationship between Flick and C.J.

just because they're roommates and business partners and friends doesn't end my headcanon that they're both secretly pining for eachother and neither will admit it. it's like all the drama tv shows where the characters are best friends for years and suddenly have a realization that they have fallen in love with eachother
 
If you do not want to see them as a gay couple then that's you. But for there to be a forum and a group of people basically saying "HA there's no LGBT people in AC because you're not kid friendly!!!" in a sea of character relationships/crushes/drama (Isabelle and KK, nook and mable, the pelican trio, reese and cyrus) to put down a gay couple that is coded for gay people to see and know right away is gross and I will do all I can to point out that they are, in fact, not hetero :)

this is really what bothered me... I mean, how can people say that there's really no romance in animal crossing? are they really that blind towards heterosexuality? romance is everywhere in animal crossing. and the "not child friendly" excuse really hurts. if you cared about things being child-friendly, you'd be concerned about smug villagers, or especially about Kapp'n, who is a much older character, flirting with the player when said player might be a very young child. but no one thinks there's anything wrong with that. because it's straight.

I mean, I don't even personally like Flick/CJ (not that I dislike them, either; I just don't care). what I care about is the ugly way people are reacting towards the mere possibility that they might be gay, and what that says about how they feel about gay people. and, whether you like it or not, how you react to gay characters does reflect how you feel about real gay people, no matter how much you insist that you have "nothing against gay people irl tho!!".

just because they're roommates and business partners and friends doesn't end my headcanon that they're both secretly pining for eachother and neither will admit it. it's like all the drama tv shows where the characters are best friends for years and suddenly have a realization that they have fallen in love with eachother

gay culture is dating for 2 years before you ask each other out
 
this is really what bothered me... I mean, how can people say that there's really no romance in animal crossing? are they really that blind towards heterosexuality? romance is everywhere in animal crossing. and the "not child friendly" excuse really hurts. if you cared about things being child-friendly, you'd be concerned about smug villagers, or especially about Kapp'n, who is a much older character, flirting with the player when said player might be a very young child. but no one thinks there's anything wrong with that. because it's straight.

I mean, I don't even personally like Flick/CJ (not that I dislike them, either; I just don't care). what I care about is the ugly way people are reacting towards the mere possibility that they might be gay, and what that says about how they feel about gay people. and, whether you like it or not, how you react to gay characters does reflect how you feel about real gay people, no matter how much you insist that you have "nothing against gay people irl tho!!".

YEAH. I hate the "I'm not homophobic BUT....." If you have to put a "but" before your clearly homophobic statement or even say that you AREN'T homophobic before making a statement honey.......... You are 👼 It's a fictional game yes but if you cant handle two characters being gay in a game where they LITERALLY NEVER COME INTO PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER Then you clearly have no tolerance for it irl either jsdnkjsdfnkdsjfn

Kapp'n creeps me out so much because of the way he flirts with characters. The fact he makes comments about there being more than one girl on the boat. The fact he has A WHOLE WIFE AND CHILD and will still serenade about how beautiful a possibly 8 year old is..... Like.... No one else complained about the probable pedophile in the game who is likely to cheat on his wife but god forbid we have two cute and harmless gay characters y'know. 👀

Plus, what about all of the non-kid friendly dream addresses in NL? The horror towns with blood splatters, the bars and gambling clubs people made, the QR codes of all kinds of non kid-friendly stuff like...... No one bat an eyelash at that 👀
 
It's a really simple topic! You either:
take the what the guide says at face level and live in heteronormative animalville
you don't care either way
or
you can see the nods to homosexuality

I am not going to spit up what everyone else has already said. You are allowed to experience the game however you'd like. But a lot of the "arguments" against their possible relationship are... really disgusting? As a gay, masculine nonbinary.. it is nice to see some sort of rep in game?
 
I never thought anything of their friendship. I feel like they're supposed to be kids, and regardless, I don't care. People can think what they want, though.
 
I think a lot of the arguments against Flick and CJ's relationship are really... transparent. To say that a headcanon or pointing out that a relationship between two male characters might exist is "gaywashing" or "taking things too far" is, in my opinion, really ignorant. It's also kind of gross that people think same-sex relationships are inherently sexual, or more sexual then opposite-sex ones. I don't want to bring even more drama into an already controversial topic, but for years and years us in the LGBT community are told that if we want representation we have to create our own, and then when we do we're told we're taking things too far, we're reaching, we're looking too deep into things and creating gay characters out of nowhere.

To me, this was obviously intentionally ambiguous in a way that is a subtle nod to LGBT people without creating fury among homophobes and people who think that gay characters in video games isn't "kid-friendly" and the fact that some of you don't want to allow others to believe that is really disheartening.
 
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i also just want to say that the fact that it was ambiguous/had nods to homosexuality made me really happy. i love this game and i want to see myself in the things i like. the people who feel the need to say that it's "gay-washing", that there shouldn't be any romance in animal crossing, etc. are being so ignorant and so unaccepting. like seriously, gay-washing? there are so few instances of lgbt representation in the first place and a lot of them just aren't done well, so why can't we take something that was left up in the air and project ourselves onto it? why can't we give ourselves the representation that most of the media can't seem to give us? why do people have to complain about people "making things gay" when it's making us happy, us who have only really been accepted in recent times and are still fighting for acceptance everyday? it isn't okay that some people have gone far enough as to attack others who don't view two character's relationship the same as they do, but do you really have to complain about every single person's head canon that maybe, just maybe, these two characters are homosexual and happy?

i'm going to keep thinking that they're gay and nothing's really gonna change that lol
 
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romance is everywhere in animal crossing. and the "not child friendly" excuse really hurts. if you cared about things being child-friendly, you'd be concerned about smug villagers, or especially about Kapp'n, who is a much older character, flirting with the player when said player might be a very young child. but no one thinks there's anything wrong with that. because it's straight.
The "not child friendly" argument coming up in this thread is funny to me too because it's literally and explicitly the excuse Nintendo has used historically to keep gay content out of their games. That and the whole "we're not trying to do social commentary" thing, which is equally offensive. This is in response to players campaigning for gay relationships to be added to Tomodachi Life back in 2014:
"[Nintendo] never intended to make any form of social commentary with the launch of Tomodachi Life...The relationship options in the game represent a playful alternate world rather than a real-life simulation. We hope that all of our fans will see that Tomodachi Life was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary." (source)

In other words, "I don't see why you're so upset, we're just trying to imagine a playful alternate world where gay people don't exist".

Aside from the points I and others have made in this thread already about the specifics of the language choices in the localization and the validity of gleaning a relationship beyond "roommates/business partners" through it, for the folks in here saying things like "I don't see why this matters, why do you care, it's just a game, etc.": that quote is six years old. It's old enough to go to kindergarten, and yet in the intervening six years Nintendo still hasn't published a game with queer characters that come any closer to canon than CJ and Flick. Until proven otherwise, the official stance of Nintendo in the year 2020 is still that they'd prefer Playful Alternate Worlds that don't contain any queer people.

I think it's safe to say that everyone here is on this forum because we enjoy Nintendo games, and Animal Crossing in particular, and (most likely) New Horizons, but for the people here arguing that it's pointless to talk about this or that nobody should care, imagine how it feels to love the work of a publisher known for its inspiration of delight and childlike wonder, to feel attached to a series as joyful and kind as Animal Crossing, and have the company responsible for its existence basically tell you they're grateful for your "passion" (read: money), but they'd rather you didn't exist.

I'm not a shipper; I'm not gonna go out searching for CJ/Flick content, so I'm not saying any of this because I'm "mad that my ship isn't canon" or whatever. What I am is queer, and it's nice to finally have a little morsel of content that nods towards me in a series I've been playing since it first came out on the Gamecube. It's a good feeling to see yourself reflected in the media you experience, even if you're forced to find that reflection in interpretation of language coming out of the mouth of a digital beaver.
 
How is this news? This was only suprising to those who can’t read what partner (it means someone you are affliated trough work and is primarily non-romantic word) means for the most world and those who see things that were never there be begin with. People need stop blaming Nintendo or Treehouse for their poor reading comprehension, they didn’t do or add anything vague or double meanings in the dialogue as this whole CJ/Flick thing was entirely fabricated by delusional and simple-minded shippers.

Someone in the earlier pages of the thread wrote that Nintendo censored or has their relationship ”lost” in the localization. They are friends or coworkers in every single regional version starting from the Japanese one, English version changed nothing about that. And people may have forgotten by now, but CJ isn’t the only one who uses the word ”partner”. The Nooklins did it too. Yet I see no one gushing (thank god) that they must have a thing for the player.
 

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...they didn’t do or add anything vague or double meanings in the dialogue as this whole CJ/Flick thing was entirely fabricated by delusional and simple-minded shippers...
But they did. A huge amount of LGBT people in America and other countries refer to their lovers as "partners." They didn't say "business partners" they said "partners" and for many people that can make a huge difference. Please don't make out marginalized communities to be "delusional" or "simple-minded" for projecting themselves onto media, when media so rarely caters to us, or even acknowledges us.
 
How is this news? This was only suprising to those who can’t read what partner (it means someone you are affliated trough work and is primarily non-romantic word) means for the most world and those who see things that were never there be begin with. People need stop blaming Nintendo or Treehouse for their poor reading comprehension, they didn’t do or add anything vague or double meanings in the dialogue as this whole CJ/Flick thing was entirely fabricated by delusional and simple-minded shippers.

Did you join the site just to call LGBT people delusional 👀
We aren't "shippers" honey we know Gay lingo when we see it :) Because we use it :) and hear it :) in our day to day life.

Also if you truly wish to go for the "Definition" route I'll have you know you are very wrong my dear.
As my lovely friend google so kindly brought up for me here are the official definitions. #2 will shock you!
  1. either of a pair of people engaged together in the same activity.
    "arrange the children in pairs so that each person has a partner"
  2. either member of a married couple or of an established unmarried couple.
    "she lived with her partner"
 
Reading "gay-washing" made me age 50 years (talking about the original person, not the people quoting them) Maybe uhh dont rebrand a term with a long history of racism just to take a stab at gay people. Theres a whole lotta wrong there. Please just let people have the fun and representation they want, even if its vague. LGBT people are more than just "shippers". If shipping/headcanons/whatever truly bothers you, you need a serious break from the fandom. I'm not saying this to be rude, its genuinely concerning that people interpreting a game differently than you makes you make homophobic remarks. You need to reflect.
 
I personally never saw them as romantic partners but business partners, though I can see how others have come to that interpretation. The fantastic thing about media is that we can all interpret it in the the way that we like, so long as we do not shame others for seeing the game in the way they do! Ship CJ and Flick or not, that's up to you. I don't really pay attention to the romantic parts of the game anyways, I personally do not ship anybody. Someone earlier said that we live an expectation to date and to get married and to be romantic and it's nice that we do not have to fully interact with romance in this game if we don't want to (with no opportunity for your character to date, for example).

I also read somewhere earlier in this thread that our perception of our villagers and our town is very dependent on our interaction with the game, and I really resonate with this. I see my Rocco as a kind of grumpy grandfatherly figure. Your Rocco might be just a cranky, insufferable guy. In the same vein, it's not out of the question to say that my CJ and Flick are business partners and your CJ and Flick are romantic partners.

This is a topic that I am personally quite indifferent about, but it's really great to see so many people loving these new characters and finding representation in them!
 
How is this news? This was only suprising to those who can’t read what partner (it means someone you are affliated trough work and is primarily non-romantic word) means for the most world and those who see things that were never there be begin with. People need stop blaming Nintendo or Treehouse for their poor reading comprehension, they didn’t do or add anything vague or double meanings in the dialogue as this whole CJ/Flick thing was entirely fabricated by delusional and simple-minded shippers.

Someone in the earlier pages of the thread wrote that Nintendo censored or has their relationship ”lost” in the localization. They are friends or coworkers in every single regional version starting from the Japanese one, English version changed nothing about that. And people may have forgotten by now, but CJ isn’t the only one who uses the word ”partner”. The Nooklins did it too. Yet I see no one gushing (thank god) that they must have a thing for the player.
Fang is gay too btw
 
How is this news? This was only suprising to those who can’t read what partner (it means someone you are affliated trough work and is primarily non-romantic word) means for the most world and those who see things that were never there be begin with. People need stop blaming Nintendo or Treehouse for their poor reading comprehension, they didn’t do or add anything vague or double meanings in the dialogue as this whole CJ/Flick thing was entirely fabricated by delusional and simple-minded shippers.

Someone in the earlier pages of the thread wrote that Nintendo censored or has their relationship ”lost” in the localization. They are friends or coworkers in every single regional version starting from the Japanese one, English version changed nothing about that. And people may have forgotten by now, but CJ isn’t the only one who uses the word ”partner”. The Nooklins did it too. Yet I see no one gushing (thank god) that they must have a thing for the player.
would just like to say that you took the nooklings' use of partner very out of context. like seriously, you included a screenshot of their usage. do you really think that their use of the word is relevant to this discussion? it definitely feels like you used this thread to express homophobic tendencies under the guise of believing that everyone who liked the idea of two characters from a video game series being together are simple-minded, delusional, and have poor reading comprehension. like seriously, do you think that everyone who ships characters together are simple-minded? everyone who has the imagination to wonder what it would be like if some characters were in a relationship? that doesn't sound simple-minded to me.

anyway, i'm getting pretty heated, so I'm probably just going to stop looking at this thread unless someone quotes me. i'm glad that most of the people in this thread are accepting, because this is just ridiculous.
 
There is Reese and Cyrus
The Pelican triangle
Kappn and his wife
I think the lgbt community wanting this one thing is okay..

This sums up how I feel. I want to see queer people in mainstream media this same, off hand, kid-friendly way, where we are just normalised. No big deal. Just happens to be non-binary people with they/them pronouns in books - I cheer, seeing people like me. Just there. Accepted. I loved the idea that one of the new couples just happened to be gay.

As with other people in this thread - I refer to my lover/spouse as my 'partner'. In the UK, that's most often automatically interpreted as life partner without the need to spell things out.

On a lighter note - I have been convinced that Brewster and Blathers are in a relationship for years. I will now continue to believe that Flick and CJ are a couple. Because it makes me happy. Everyone else is welcome to their own beliefs.
 
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