Mafia The Franchise Wars- Town & TP Win!

[Kirbystarship]

My reads

FireNinja1 -null
Zendel- townlean, I feel like he is being helpful and contributing to town a lot and he seems calm.
Amazon- townlean, he seems to be playing his usual like in smash mafia townlean based on meta.
Ness- townlean, I understand why he's sus but his meta seems to lead me that he is town.
Seroja- null
Dolby- townlean, he seems helpful and he doesn't seem to lurk a lot like when he's scum. Plus he confirmed Kat.
Kit- null
Kat- scum/third party? I'm kinda uneasy about that claim didn't like how you claimed very quickly.
Toads- null
xCleb- I think is towned based on the interactions with Ayaya, besides that need more posts from them.
Biscuit- null
Ayaya- scum lean, I really didn't like your guesses on the 3 scum team, I don't think you guessed, I think you just found the 3 good players and went with it.
Kermittea- town lean, she does feel relaxed in her posts, I agree with Ness on voting, I don't think mafia would try and be the first person to vote.
f11- null

for all my null reads please post more. Don't have enough posts to make a read from you.

I'm voting for Ayaya, she is the only person that sticks out to me.

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@ Dolby was making reads.

 

[f11]

Whom here isn't okay with ayaya being lynched. I'm just trying to make a role call, don't be alarmed.

 

[Kirbystarship]

I think we should give Seroja a chance before lynching them Dolby. Your case is Mog is good.

 

[moonford]

Read's List!

Key:

Town Lean
Slight Town Lean
Null
Slight Scum Lean
Scum Lean

Ayaya

A few things that Ayaya has posted so far has stood out and not in a good way.

On her mafia guesses she picked arguably the three most experienced players (Kat, Cleb and Dolby) and said she picked them randomly, which is fine and dandy but it is still extremely unbalanced and if you've played 2 games or more then you should know that those three would be unlikely because it is an unfair advantage. She later said "tho I do admit I probably picked the experienced players subconsciously because they're the ones I pay attention to in games usually." Which doesn't make sense, you picked them randomly and then later say it was your subconscious that played in with your decision, if it was a random guess there wouldn't be much decision making.

Her guesses led to her being sussed and being the centre of attention so a little bit of doubt is at the back of my mind because doing that would be a really bad play and I doubt scum would do something that would garner so much attention. But her responses to other players, specifically Cleb don't seem right and that's why she isn't on null along with the first paragraph of this read.

Lynch candidate for today.

Biscuit

Pretty sure she is town, her RQS felt genuine. Her inexperience in mafia and her guess on the mafia ratio is a town tell, imo.

I would like to see more posts from her because 1 contribution to the game is lacking to say the least.

Cleb

It has been implied that he is Subway but that doesn't really mean anything. I mean, their spokesperson was a disgusting perverted man so I see no reason why Subway shouldn't be mafia but and his role play of Subway could be his way of "saying I have nothing to hide I AM SUBWAY" but the way he brought attention to it could be seen as a way to make people think he is town.

A little theory of mine but it puts me at null.

His attention on Ayaya's RQS in specific however, is completely called for and his interactions with her seem to be aggressive more so on Ayaya's side so I think he is successfully pushing her and I like it so far.

I feel like a bit more of this from Cleb would move me up to a town read rather than a slight town read and I really appreciate his efforts in this game compared to last game.


Dolby

His play so far has been in line with his town play and I believe Kat's claim (I'll get into it when I make a read on Kat), so he is confirmed for me.

Evan

Contributing and decently active, his posts so far have reminded me of his posts in Smash Mafia so I think he's probably town. I'll have to read up on his previous games to get a feel on how he plays as scum though.

f11

Eh.

Not really sure what to think right now.

FireNinja

More activity and contributions are needed for me to make a read.

Kat

If Kat and Dolby are scum then claiming and clearing each other would be transparent and stupid, imo. I really cant see a reality where either would do this so yeah, I'm taking her claim as confirmation of both her and Dolby's alignment.

Karen

I don't understand the town locks on her so far.

In the last game she was more active and made large posts, at the end of the game she mentioned she was wary as mafia and her activity/posts reflect that in that game.

It looks as though she is the complete opposite of last game and I feel as though she could be doing it intentionally because playing the same as scum every time with acquainted players is a little silly. I'm keeping an open mind abut her this game especially because of her performance in the last game.


Her more laid back playstyle does make me feel as though she is town but like I said I'm keeping an open mind. Also being the first to vote is a town tell for me.

Kirby

Not really getting scum tells but I feel as though there is a difference in tone.

Kit

I'm getting townie vibes and she seems to be logical/ open minded (don't know if that's the word I'm looking for) so I think she is probably town.

Ness

I'm getting kind of lazy here but I'm a little concerned with Ness at the moment, mostly because of his reactions to him being sus.

Seroja

Not enough yet.


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I'm aware that there is only one scum lean but I haven't seen anything really notable nor have I seen any connections so I feel as though more posts are needed from those in grey and Biscuit.


Likely town to likely scum:

Dolby
Kat
Evan
Kit
Cleb
Biscuit
Karen
FireNinja
Ness
Seroja
f11
Ayaya

People in grey are tied apart from Karen.

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Sorry if these are terrible, offensive and so on, day 1 hasn't really been too eventful and many players haven't posted much.

I forgot about Toad! He's on null too.

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Oh by the way, I'll be doing a 5 point system from now on to structure my reads better.

1. Tone
2. Contributions
3. Activity
4. META
5. Connections with other players

 

[FireNinja1]

Voting when I get back from volunteering.

 

[Kirbystarship]

Voting when I get back from volunteering.

who would you like to see lynched?

 

[Biscuit_m8]

Hey! I'm sorry for being inactive, I ended up staying the night at a friends and just got back. I'm now going to read through the thread.

 

[amazonevan19]

IDK how to do fancy coloration in a way my lazy self can do easily, so I?ll try to keep this simple. My reads in descending order of potential scumminess:

Townleans:
Dolby ? I choose to believe Kat and him at their word. His posts and RQS feel very town to me.
Karen ? previous analysis on Karen holds here.
Cleb ? good probing of ayaya, and him vs. her I?m definitely siding with him. There?s still room for scum!cleb using this as a bussing opportunity though. I don?t put much stock in the role name Subway (if that?s what he is), as Damniel told us the names aren?t supposed to be used to guess alignment either way.
Kit ? a bit more activity would be appreciated, but I think she?s exhibited usual townie behavior thus far.
Ninja ? from RQS seems noobishly town, though I wish he?d post more. He seems to be a bit more lurky when town from the prior games I?ve quickly read up on


Null
F11 ? not sure what to make of f11. Seems kinda lurky but has contributed (albeit mostly conspiratorial posts). A wild card imo
Toadsworthy ? seems to have a lot of IRL stuff going on so idk about him. Post your thoughts on dolby/kat, ayaya vs. cleb when you can.
Biscuit ? not much to say, I need to see more
Seroja ? has only posted once or twice I think? Definitely not townie behavior but not enough to declare scum purely off of that.


Scumlean
Kat ? I tend to distrust neutrals, as they can be one of two things: either a true neutral, or a mafia trying to hide. They CAN?T be good. Kat is claiming lyncher and that Dolby is her target, which Dolby concurs on. Aside from f11?s (and partly mine) conspiratorial ?they could be mafs with an elaborate ruse? schtick, I think Kat and Dolby are most likely telling the truth. Having said that, why am I putting Kat here? Simple. For the aforementioned reason of neutrality, plus the fact that she?s generally been rather relaxed and noncommittal. I don?t think that?s necessarily a good sign as she has a distinctly different playstyle from prior games and, as an assumed neutral, doesn?t care about whether good or evil wins. Which would all make sense if she?s truly neutral, but would also make sense if she?s actually scum and wanting to blend in under her neutrality alibi

Ness ? I keep going back and forth on Ness; on the one hand, he seems to be playing like his townie self ? aggressively pursuing what he seems is scummy behavior. On the other hand, some of what he chooses to pursue seems rather silly to me. Could be interpreted as maf trying to get his target lynched over unimportant stuff. Idk. Due to his seemingly being caught between two playstyles, rather than being one or the other, I think he could very well be scum.

Ayaya ? like I?ve said before, her RQS scumreads were bad due to the whole subconscious admission. If she simply admitted that she put experienced players up there so we would stay wary of them that?d be one thing. (Bad reasoning, sure, but not outright scummy.) It?s her overly defensive behavior and meandering posts which confuse me and make me think she?s scum.

Probably missed a couple people, but those are my thoughts so far

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didn't mean to edit whoops

 

[N e s s]

Reads:

Dolby: Given that Kat essentially just confirmed him, I believe him to be town.

KermitTea: Very certain that she is town after she voted Mogyay.

Arstotzkan: Not town, but you know what i mean. I believe her lyncher claim.

KirbyStarShip: His play is reminding me of how he usually plays as town, specifically post #211 where he went back through my scum meta to form a read on me that feels genuine. I feel if Kirby was scum, then he wouldn't have played "devil's advocate" for me and rather scum read me.

Biscuit_m8: Going to rebut what Kat said about them and their RQS:



I don't think that scum, especially a new player, would be willing to say that on #3. But this is probably the townread I'm least sure about given how they've only made about 1 post so far.

Toadsworthy/Fireninja1: Both need to post more.

NOTE: This post is a continuation of post #292

AmazonEvan19: He's playing a lot like he did in Smash mafia from what I've seen. I have noticed that he seems to be making longer, more thought out paragraph posts. Overall helpful and actively contributing.

Kit: At the moment, I think she is weird but I want to get more from her before I make a final judgement.

xCleb: I'm really not sure what to think of him. I'd say town but nothing has really said town to me yet. I think that subway sounds like a non-scum sounding business though.

F11: Was town leaning her earlier, but after she made this post it made me skeptical:

Ayaya as scum could make sense but I could see a lyncher on a mafia if the mafia team was op. Or as a tinfoil theory kat and Dolby are both mafia :eyes: This game is called the franchise wars so I expected more food related corporations, however Apple and Microsoft are more technology, this is me rambling but it wouldn't be out of left field for kat and Dolby to create a plan like that. But basically, I will have my eyez out.

It feels off. It looks as if F11 is essentially trying to plant the seeds for making Dolby and Kat look scummy. She doesn't seem very serious about it. Something else that irked me about this post is her suggesting that a lyncher could target mafia as a way of "countering an OP mafia". I not really sure what a lyncher may do to counter an OP mafia, because the target was scum then it would essentially be a townie with extra knowledge. Overall, slight scumlean.

Zendel: Slight scumlean. This one is a bit weird, because he was the first to step in and defend me, I feel as if he isn't being how he normally is. I specifically don't like this post:

Kat's claim along with clearing Dolby is making me uneasy but I'm going to believe it for now, Dolby is one of my town leans so I hope it's true.

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Have to agree with Seroja about Evan's read on Karen, she hasn't been THAT helpful but she does seem more laid back this time so I think she probably is town.

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I'm okay with an Ayaya lynch right now, her posts don't make sense and she seems evasive when she converses with cleb.

Specifically dont like how he agrees with Seroja about Evan, despite how Karen is basically universally townread and it doesn't really hold much merit to scumread based on Evan simply saying he thinks Karen is town despite not sayin many much. Don't like the interaction between the two in general either, I'm scumreading Seroja right now. Therres also this line I don't like:

I'm okay with an Ayaya lynch right now, her posts don't make sense and she seems evasive when she converses with cleb.

Despite the fact that up until this post he hasn't said anything else regarding Ayaya. He did promise a reads post, so if he posts his reads before I make this it may adjust my read of him.

Seroja: I don't like the fact that she glossed over how Ayaya is looking scummy right now, while she at the same time says that me and Cleb make her "uncomfortable" yet not outright saying she thinks me or him are scummy.

She also states that Kat having a similar role in between two games is a stretch, yet believes it and says "unless Dolby becomes suspicious later". 1. Dolby is literally confirmed 2. Knowing how analytical Seroja plays, this does not sound like something she would think up as town.

She also points out Evan's townread on Karen for not having enough behind it, yet goes on to say Dolby and Kirby are town without providing much reasoning herself.

I'm more certain about Seroja then my other 2 scumlean reads right now.

Ayaya: Her interactions with Cleb look significantly like Town vs. Scum. Cleb looks seemingly more town-like during the exchanges between the two of them, and I feel as if Ayaya twisted his words rather than vise versa.

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I am VERY confident that there is scum between the 4 that I mentioned (slightly less on F11), I also think that there could be scum between Kit/Toadsworthy if not. I'm currently confident in my townreads.

 

[moonford]

I didn't scum read Evan Ness and it's very much the opposite.

 

[N e s s]

As for lynch candidate, I am voting for Ayaya.

 

[moonford]

Haven't read through the thread thoroughly but there are a few things I didn't like:

- Town read on Karen by Dolby, I feel like it's too early but it's just like Dolby to town read someone THIS early.

- Ayaya's mafia guesses had three of the most experienced players and while yes, sure, you may have just looked at the player list and went like "hey, they might be all scum together tee-hee" but those three people specifically out of everyone else is weird. You've also mentioned that you go after/ read into more experienced players more than other players which is another reason why I'm wary of you and then you blamed it on your subconscious or something, lol? Eh, idk.

My thoughts are basically the same as everyone else's about Ayaya right now, I'm not scum leaning her right now but the post Ness made about Ayaya's other RQS in SU is making me think why she isn't like that in this game? It seemed less chill and more silly, if I'm going to be honest. Sorry.


Dolby can you explain the sus on Kirby, I understand your sus on Ayayayayayayayayaya though?

And as you can see from that point my suspicions grew. Post #285

 

[N e s s]

I didn't scum read Evan Ness and it's very much the opposite.

1. I have a habit of referring to suspicious as scumread. I'm very tired and I didn't mean you scumread him.
2. I posted my reads before I saw your reads list.

 

[moonford]

You ruined my post merge.

 

[Dolby]

Ayaya is def my top for the sole reason that Mog/Ser haven't had the time to be here. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the lack of resistance to an Ayaya lynch. If Ayaya isn't lynched, Seroja would be my next choice

 

[moonford]

1. I have a habit of referring to suspicious as scumread. I'm very tired and I didn't mean you scumread him.
2. I posted my reads before I saw your reads list.

1. I wasn't suspicious of him either?
2. I'm aware.

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Why are you ruining my post merges?!?!?!




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lol.

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Ayaya is def my top for the sole reason that Mog/Ser haven't had the time to be here. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the lack of resistance to an Ayaya lynch. If Ayaya isn't lynched, Seroja would be my next choice

Same tbh, it either means mafia thinks she has no chance of pulling through or mafia have are happy with the votes because she's town.

I'm worried and the lack of activity/posting is making me uncomfortable too.

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I'm worried about the lack of activity/posting is making me uncomfortable too.

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Oh wait, no corrections were needed. lol.

I'm dumb. XD

 

[N e s s]

Yo I just caught up with the thread. Something that stood out to me while reading the thread is how Evan townleaned Karen for 'trying to be helpful and active' which I did not see the evidence of. Not scumreading you for it tho. Just something I took note of.

You said you agreed with this, to which I interpreted it as you being suspicious of him since Seroja had pointed out something odd about evan.

And yes, I had seen that post you referred to. That was your ONLY point on Ayaya since you made your reads post. Even in that post you said "I'm not scumleaning her right now".

 

[moonford]

You said you agreed with this, to which I interpreted it as you being suspicious of him since Seroja had pointed out something odd about evan.

And yes, I had seen that post you referred to. That was your ONLY point on Ayaya since you made your reads post. Even in that post you said "I'm not scumleaning her right now".

1. I agreed that town reading Karen for being helpful to be odd on Evan's part and that's all I meant otherwise I would've said he is sus/scum read by me.

2. I said in the post to my response to your read on me (#312) that my suspicions had clearly grown by post #285, the post you referred to in your read hence why I would even consider her to be a lynch candidate.

 

[Kirbystarship]

Ayaya is def my top for the sole reason that Mog/Ser haven't had the time to be here. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the lack of resistance to an Ayaya lynch. If Ayaya isn't lynched, Seroja would be my next choice

I would think she would try and defend herself if she's mafia. I don't see that happening.

 

[moonford]

I'm so tired right now, I can't type properly either. AHHHHH!

Sorry for any errors.