You don't need to be Christian to be president. I don't even see why religion is brought into politics. There's supposed to be a separation between church and state. Obviously a person's religion will affect their choices, but going into whether Obama fits certain biblical beliefs, shouldn't mean anything. Just because he's president (president-elect), doesn't mean he isn't entitled to his opinion.
So... Obama won...
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I wouldn't say entertain so much as teach tradition and values.Bacon Boy said:
There are 2 creation stories that happen in different ways. Noah could not have gotten 2 of every animal unless he could somehow circle the globe several times.
Now there could have been a big flood in the area but not global. The story is exaggerated a little for effect. We do that in movies based off of real events all the time. But the point of that story is God's promise to rejuvenate the world, the cleansing of the evil. Not that some old guy actually filled a large wooden ship with 2 of everything for what must have been the worst 40 days of his life.
Now Jesus, I think was definitely real, but I don't think he was God. Making the trinity was a compromise between people who said he was a man and those who said he was a God or so my theology taught. So now that makes Jesus a God who is a man and talks to himself to see whether he has to go through with his death or not. He was no doubt a good man as he was described.
Many stories in the Bible, in the old testament especially though, are likely just parables like Jesus told.
This is what I believe and call me unchristian for it, but I think being a Cristian is more about following Jesus' lessons and less about whether an old guy stuffed a ton of animals on a ship, or another raised dead or another saved his people from Egypt only after God released a ton of plagues that seemed a little bit cruel....
On an unrelated note... I'm watching videos of Ron Paul during the Republican Debates, and holy smokes... why the hell did they go with McCain over Paul? Paul pretty much destroyed McCain in the debates... what gives?
Ron Paul is a doctor who delivered over four thousand babies, a congressman from the quiet east of Texas, an economist, a philosopher, and a statesmen. If he won the primary, it would be the most surprising thing since.... no wait, it would be the most surprising thing ever! =oBulerias said:
http://www.youtube.com/v/-I73Ac1r2Ko
They called him the "Thomas Jefferson of our day." But on the campaign for president, they ignored him. You all saw the signs, didn't you? You saw his supporters in your neighborhoods. But we were silenced.
edit: By the way, his first biography recently came out (I bought it). There is also a documentary currently being produced.
I hate to say it, but I think it is because he held many stances unpopular in the Republican party. Many that I think are completely right though. Like the war. We should not have gone in and should not be there now, but we did go in, and we just have to make sure things won't collapse when we leave which should be ASAP.Bulerias said:
There are some views of Paul's I dislike, but I think from his record, he wouldn't force anything. Still I would be worried by some.
The fact that he feels one way but opposes it if it is not at the state level is interesting, but at the same time, I feel like the time when states were more important has passed. We are much more interconnected and reliant now and government whether federal or state level is still government.
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist and understands what must be done at the state level. The federal government has caused most of the problems we are in today. The bigger the government with the power, the less freedoms you have and the more corrupt the system is. That's why the Constitution was very clear about not giving the federal government any power, except that written in the Constitution... but we are far from that now.Sporge27 said:
Actually, I refuse to vote based on party. I voted for Barack Obama because he brings hope to this country. He is not your normal sleezy politician. He will not raise taxes for people who can't afford it, yet by undoing the Bush administration's tax freeze on the upper class ($250k+/yr), he will be able to fund the programs he has been talking about. Instead of solely focusing on offshore drilling (which will have no effect for 7 years, and even then maximize to provide for 3% of world consumption, when the US consumes 25% annually), he will invest money in alternative energy sources, decreasing our dependence on oil for energy. He is a helluva public speaker, able to motivate millions, and a true icon of a strong American individual. He is a leader we can be proud of, something that I can't say is true the past 8 years. There is a time and place for Reaganomics, don't get me wrong, but now is not the time. For students not able to afford college right now, Barack Obama has plans to eventually make community college free for them... something unprecedented that would help our country in ways we can't even imagine. You doubt that? The number of inner-city low-income voters exponentially increased this election thanks to Obama, why can't the number of college students from the same category do the same? Hewill change No Child Left Behind... there are better ways to track student progress than just standardized test scores. He will find a way to leave Iraq as soon as possible without jeopardizing our safety in the most rationale manner possible. Building off existing healthcare infrastructure, Obama will make healthcare affordable for every single American citizen. To stimulate the economy, instead of just sending out checks with no guarantee of them being spent, he will create 5 million green jobs, helping the environment and the job market. Obama will loewr taxes on small business startups, to help them over the obstacles of having difficulty finding enough loans right now.stormcommander said:
That is why I voted for Barack on top of other things. Thank you very much.
Darth, did you know that George Bush ran on an anti-war and humble foreign policy? Politicians lie, Barack is no different. It's interesting because Bush ran on of a more humble foreign policy than Obama did.
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By the way, this:
Is illegal according to the Constitution.
Illegal programs. Not to mention immoral ones. Both Obama and McCain supported national service. Scary stuff...
Oh my goodnes Darth, you are scaring me! You are telling my about all of these socialist ideas, then in another post announcing that he is not a socialist. Reagan? Reagan's administration was a failure. Do you realize how much government intervention is about to be pushed into the economic system? Do you realize how bad the effects will be? Please read this book. PLEASE. It's only $8. http://www.mises.org/store/Economic-Policy-Thoughts-for-Today-and-Tomorrow-P207.aspx
Illegal.
(next time I'll read posts in order, heh)
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By the way, this:
Is illegal according to the Constitution.
Illegal programs. Not to mention immoral ones. Both Obama and McCain supported national service. Scary stuff...
Oh my goodnes Darth, you are scaring me! You are telling my about all of these socialist ideas, then in another post announcing that he is not a socialist. Reagan? Reagan's administration was a failure. Do you realize how much government intervention is about to be pushed into the economic system? Do you realize how bad the effects will be? Please read this book. PLEASE. It's only $8. http://www.mises.org/store/Economic-Policy-Thoughts-for-Today-and-Tomorrow-P207.aspx
Illegal.
(next time I'll read posts in order, heh)
storm, i'm not uneducated. i know that thomas jefferson is probably rolling over in his grave right now. and he should be. i think the bailout was sick.
but times now are different than times in 1776. and i think there are lots of things that we need to take the constitution word by word for... but others it needs to be a little more lenient. although your way may be "ideal" according to the constitution, we'd end up 3 times farther down the s***hole than we have the last several years...
so i guess it comes down to following the constitution word by word and ending up with no country in 50 years, or taking the constitution to be more guidelines, and making progress.
but times now are different than times in 1776. and i think there are lots of things that we need to take the constitution word by word for... but others it needs to be a little more lenient. although your way may be "ideal" according to the constitution, we'd end up 3 times farther down the s***hole than we have the last several years...
so i guess it comes down to following the constitution word by word and ending up with no country in 50 years, or taking the constitution to be more guidelines, and making progress.
