So... Obama won...
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The government is not a being of its own, the government is us. Half the problem is people don't realize this because of the faces put on it. Corporations swindle us all the time out of property that is more valuable than we think. We don't realize it because we choose to remain in ignorance, remain the serf.stormcommander said:
A large group of people is stupider than a small group when solving a problem, because people don't organize and see problems logically enough. Here is why I see Obama's ability to lead to effective solutions, it is not on his own, it is through other people who he is able to organize to work with diverse groups. I think the President is our nation's largest community organizer. Quoted from a chapter in After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois that Obama wrote in 1990.
The government is not us. There is no longer a social contract. The Unites States of America has turned into an oligarchy. If the government is "us" why are people forced under the system? If they want to be left alone, they are put into a cage. I have never endorsed this government or agreed to their system. And amidst the tyranny, the only thing people can talk about is "democracy". Don't they realize that Democracy is the step between liberty and totalitarianism? The education system has misused the word to talk about elections. Democracy is mob rule. It is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. The rights of the minority are infringed by the majority. This is why our founders embraced liberty, not democracy. This country was founded as a republic. But that is all lost today. Freedom is nothing anymore, we are all serfs of the government,
Did you even realize how much you avoided the question right there? lol :gyroidgrin:
edit: And here you guys are saying Obama just said something because he wanted to win? Are you calling him a liar? Are you aware Obama is a Christian who believes government should define marriage as the relationship between a man and a women. It is that simple. You two have no knowledge of what your political opponents beleive do you? Do you even know why people don't want gay marriage? I highly doubt it.
Did you even realize how much you avoided the question right there? lol :gyroidgrin:
edit: And here you guys are saying Obama just said something because he wanted to win? Are you calling him a liar? Are you aware Obama is a Christian who believes government should define marriage as the relationship between a man and a women. It is that simple. You two have no knowledge of what your political opponents beleive do you? Do you even know why people don't want gay marriage? I highly doubt it.
Mob rule would happen no matter what government we have. the difference is which mob has the bigger gun in the end. At least we have tried to find a way to include everyone in the mob, not everyone is. I do see your point of not being allowed to live just on your own, and may be that is a problem, but there are many benefits they would have to exclude to you for doing such. You are right about not having complete freedom too, but we do have more freedom here than most places in the world, and are envied for it. If you want complete freedom, go ahead and live in the middle of nowhere, grow your own food, find your own water, and give up all the modern conveniences we have. I don't even know what freedom you think is gone really.stormcommander said:
Different is the wave of my generation spurred into participation into the government out of the clutches of apathy. The country is revved up to change things, I cannot provide any more proof than what you saw in the cheering crowd last night. It is our duty to ensure that change is for the better, because it will be here, for better or for worse. Get out and be heard if you have a problem with something. A good idea is like a virus, but it takes time for it to spread just as it takes time for a faucet to fill a sink, or an ocean. Things will be different, they are always different at some level. I need no more proof than what the 106 year old woman, that Obama mentioned, saw over here life. She saw the post slavery era, wars, depression, but there were good times as well. It is on our shoulders to make sure there is a good time on the horizon.
Uh... a Republic is a form of government where the rights are protected for each individual. The law rules, not the majority. How did you miss what I said? :gyroidhuh:
Oh.. is that what you were getting at? Technically we have that, the problem I thought was who set the laws, who judges them and who enforces them....stormcommander said:
The biggest problem is who do you choose to judge the laws and their fairness, kinda goes back to how Plato believed the best government would be a philosopher king. It would be great the biggest problem is that philosophers aren't interested in the position normally. I think we do have that to some extent our constitution is held above all other laws. Either way, if there is a huge mob what will stop them from getting their way legally or otherwise? I piece of paper? In a perfect world may be, but this world isn't perfect.
We are SUPPOSED to have that but the government doesn't follow the Consitution. :gyroidsurprised: And I don't even mean only stuff like torture and privacy rights... by the 10th Amendment, every federal government agency and program is illegal. It has to be written in the Constitution. Department of Homeland Security which Bush created... Department of Energy, Carter created... illegal, the war on drugs... illegal, etc.Sporge27 said:
Some people try to say that the Constitution can be loosely interrupted. But the 10th Amendment and the overall Bill of Rights is quite clear. The governments job is only to protect life, liberty, property. So any mob that tries to infringe on that... government should stop. But what happens when the government itself does that like today?
We no longer have a legitimate form of government because it does not follow the Consitution. Awwww, I love John Locke. :gyroidgrin:
This has happened because... well to be frank... stupid people have elected stupid politicians and somebody needs to wake them up to what has happened. I was asleep just a year ago too, so I'm not saying I'm any way superior (lol).
Well actually I think the tenth amendment was made in a way to allow the government to run programs if it was heavily scrutinized. I mean getting 2/3s vote is pretty tough to do on anything.stormcommander said:
Yes they can be scared into stuff but if it is really something unwanted it shouldn't be able to get through.
Personally I think somethings are better kept out of the hands of corporations, but that doesn't mean I am right I know. But I like public transportation, or our postal system. Somethings are ridiculous and made specifically to destroy rights like the war on drugs. Prohibiting use of drugs so people have the right to be away from them is one thing but attacking what people do in their own house is another. The key is responsibility, and it shouldn't be the governments.
True and this nation is built on separation of church and state to prevent a BELIEF from becoming law when it infringes on others rights.stormcommander said:
All religions have beautiful stories with marvelous morals, but they also have many more ugly beliefs and silly traditions...
Fact is that though God may not be man made religion is and therefore flawed. Just like the government, just like everything here.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. What does that tell you?Bacon Boy said:
Obama's birth certificate was already revealed, by the way. It DOES seem like the only argument conservatives have against an Obama presidency, but it's obviously too late, sorry.
