Opinions: Community changing

[Annika.]

Generosity isn't friendliness. The most important aspect is that the game came out not even a month ago for everyone, so the economy has to stabilise yet. Also there are new villagers without amiibo cards, so that factors into it as well. But yeah, strangers not giving stuff for no reason isn't exactly unfriendliness. If someone posts in a thread that they are missing something or want something, then there'll be people helping them out. But don't expect handouts when we don't even know valuable valuable items will be with future updates.

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To me, the community consist of gathering data and compiling it in a way that helps every player equally. There were multiple people pixelating the new villagers by themselves just so that other people could use them for their signature. If your worry is the economy, then you're just the different side of the same coin.

 

[brockbrock]

I have a memory of people being desperate and impatient when ACNL came out, too.

I think we got accustomed to the laid back nature of a years-old game (NL) where most people had what they were looking for and thus the emphasis was more on helping others.

I think in a few months things will calm down and we'll be back to that same, friendly environment again. Don't forget how much Marshal was being auctioned off for that first year! It might not be quite up to the level of Raymond now, but it was still intense and people were passive aggressively outbidding each other and posting snarky comments. I think that's just the nature of a new game and this one happened to come out in a very uncertain and strange time in the world where a lot of us are cooped up at home, feeling anxious for our own reasons.

 

[Figment]

I'm new to the Animal Crossing community. I played New Leaf when it was first released, but I played it in a void. I didn't visit other people's islands at all and I didn't really know anyone who played. Not saying that online play wasn't a thing for New Leaf, but I don't think it was quite as widespread as it is now (of course not... There are more people playing New Horizons than there were New Leaf)

I think that the sheer number of people playing is the biggest factor. Hopefully once the newness wears off, so will the greater levels of greed. Especially once more people grow their collections.

Personally, I've never actually visited anyone else's island for any reason yet, but if I did I would try to tip or give my host a gift regardless. Like if I were doing a fruit trade, I may bring along something from my collection or something selling in Nook's Cranny or even a small amount of bells in addition to an equal swap for fruit. Just some kind of hosting gift to foster good will.


Also, as someone who is new to the community in general, I think some of the exorbitant prices people buy/sell villagers for is what really shocks me. On one hand, I get it. People have their favorites and must have villagers and the seller has something in high demand and they want to make a profit because they can. But everything seems really extreme to me.

I'm just glad that technically every villager is available in the game and there isn't some kind of real paywall. If you really want a villager and save up enough NMT and have enough patience, eventually you should be able to get it.

 

[Mello]

I can't really say if people are less friendly these days, as I've never been part of the AC community. Although, as someone who hosts high turnip prices pretty regularly, I've only come across maybe one rude person out of a couple hundred? I've also traded with a couple dozen people and I've had good experiences. Then again, my tolerance for toxicity is probably high, considering I've come from many toxic communities. By comparison, this animal crossing community is a paradise.

Also, as others have said, if anything, people are sort of in a frenzy right now trying to aquire all of the items/villagers/bells they want right now, as the game is still new and the install-base this time around is substantionally higher than previous entries. These things coupled together creates an environment where a give-and-take system are more prevalent than charity services. I expect things to change as more people collect everything they want.

 

[SpiritofAce]

Well, I hate how everything now is about "Look at how cute this villager is!! Look at them reading a book! LOOK! They're singing!!"
Personal dislike of mine, but people posting Marshall reading a book on Reddit for the 100th time drives me insane.

 

[Aubrey895]

I have noticed a change. I don’t know if it’s because now I’m on twitter and everyone on there is just sooooo nice and giving. Or if it’s because it really has changed...because I know on here the amount of nmt things sell for are ridiculous.

 

[ctar17]

On one hand the prices are insane, so I get people's frustration,

But on the other hand...
Supply and demand
People want Raymond, people are willing to spend a lot of NMT for Raymond -> Raymond will have a high price.
When people stop wanting more Raymonds, or Raymond becomes more in supply -> The price of Raymond will go down.

It should stabilize out eventually though when everyone gets a more level playing field. The game is still very new

Also the different platforms have different levels of prices imo
Discord has the highest (best to sell at, worst to buy from)
Here is middle range
Facebook definitely the lowest prices (best to buy from, worst to sell at)
I've seen some people giving away top tier villagers for free because people make a post that's like "Please I really need Raymond!"
And a commenter will be like "oh he's in boxes I don't want him, so yeah you can just tip me a few bells"
FB low prices are probably due to lack of knowledge about the actual market tbh, more casual players

 

[Spooky.]

I read everything people wrote while I was asleep after posting and it was very insightful!

It's understandable that the game is still somewhat new and we're all trying to get and trade for what we need. The most interesting point someone made was about how Nintendo Online is now paid rather than free for everyone like it used to be. I wonder how much of that does have an effect on trading. I suppose I'd become so accustomed to people saying 'I have the salon if anyone wants to come' and now seeing stuff like 'I require 2NMT and 400k to visit Nook's Cranny' just seems like a bit of a shocker to me. I don't really recall people asking for such fees to visit for something free to them, but then again, I did join the community late in the game during New Leaf.

"But yeah, strangers not giving stuff for no reason isn't exactly unfriendliness."

I posted about the spirit of giving and kindness in separate sections because I had a feeling someone would mistake my two different points as one point, and it still happened regardless, oops x-x

That's not what I was referring to in terms of kindness. You can be kind and not give away your stuff in game for free. Though I do feel like something that's free to you and charging an arm and a leg is a bit on the greedy side when it costs nothing more than a couple minutes of your time to open your airport. More so on the kindness front is a lot of the toxic and rude behavior I see. More on twitter than on here, but I still see a fair amount of rudeness here.

People starting hate posts aimed at other players, bullying someone for villagers they like/don't like, doxxing other players, just other nasty behavior and trends of mass blocking and other toxic behaviors. Again, this is more on twitter, but I see a decent amount lurking around here too. Just general unfriendliness. I see a lot of hateful things aimed at other players and just a lot of hate in general and it's very disheartening.

I'm more concerned about the behavior of people this time around than I am concerned about the prices people want for even the most free of things.

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I have noticed a change. I don’t know if it’s because now I’m on twitter and everyone on there is just sooooo nice and giving. Or if it’s because it really has changed...because I know on here the amount of nmt things sell for are ridiculous.

Maybe it's just the people I follow, but I've seen a lot of toxic behavior from twitter more than anywhere

 

[trashpedia]

I read everything people wrote while I was asleep after posting and it was very insightful!

It's understandable that the game is still somewhat new and we're all trying to get and trade for what we need. The most interesting point someone made was about how Nintendo Online is now paid rather than free for everyone like it used to be. I wonder how much of that does have an effect on trading. I suppose I'd become so accustomed to people saying 'I have the salon if anyone wants to come' and now seeing stuff like 'I require 2NMT and 400k to visit Nook's Cranny' just seems like a bit of a shocker to me. I don't really recall people asking for such fees to visit for something free to them, but then again, I did join the community late in the game during New Leaf.

"But yeah, strangers not giving stuff for no reason isn't exactly unfriendliness."

I posted about the spirit of giving and kindness in separate sections because I had a feeling someone would mistake my two different points as one point, and it still happened regardless, oops x-x

That's not what I was referring to in terms of kindness. You can be kind and not give away your stuff in game for free. Though I do feel like something that's free to you and charging an arm and a leg is a bit on the greedy side when it costs nothing more than a couple minutes of your time to open your airport. More so on the kindness front is a lot of the toxic and rude behavior I see. More on twitter than on here, but I still see a fair amount of rudeness here.

People starting hate posts aimed at other players, bullying someone for villagers they like/don't like, doxxing other players, just other nasty behavior and trends of mass blocking and other toxic behaviors. Again, this is more on twitter, but I see a decent amount lurking around here too. Just general unfriendliness. I see a lot of hateful things aimed at other players and just a lot of hate in general and it's very disheartening.

I'm more concerned about the behavior of people this time around than I am concerned about the prices people want for even the most free of things.

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Maybe it's just the people I follow, but I've seen a lot of toxic behavior from twitter more than anywhere

Woah, *doxxing*? Okay no. It’s stuff like this the reason why I left Twitter because it’s a very vitriolic cesspit, and this is from someone who used to be a loona stan on Twitter *shivers* I’m kinda glad I left.

 

[bobthecat]

I thought it was due to the fact that I'm getting older and possibly less patient with others' attitudes! LOL I am a solo player and all I know about the community is what I read on the forums.

It seems to me that very few are actually ENJOYING the game. Instead, they feel a need to have an absolutely perfect town in all respects, instantly, which is a lot of work and they aren't enjoying the work one bit. Or at least that is my perception.

Animal Crossing is by nature a very laid back, non-competitive game, but so many people seem to feel they are competing for the best town or something. Or maybe it is just me and they really are laid back? Or maybe we are all on edge due to the virus situation and how it is affecting each of us in our daily lives. I don't know. I just feel so sad for anyone who isn't having fun with this terrific game.

Completely agree with everything you've said here. People are impatient and can't remember the grind they had to do in NL so aree constantly moaning on this forum. If I see another thread complaining about a minor detail with new horizons I swear I'm gonna be really annoyed with this community. Nintendo has obviously worked really hard on this game so please appreciate that

I hope it's just the virus affecting people's personality and putting them on edge because a lot of the time on this forum it's just people moaning about the economy changing or some rubbish... It was also like that in new leaf when the duping glitch was widely used or are people wearing rose tinted glasses and pretending it was all innocent days

 

[Lady Timpani]

I'd say a lot of it depends on the platform you're using. I actually find this forum to have lower prices and a general notion that people should be offering their services for free/low prices, but it definitely has slower activity than the Reddit or some of the discords.

This is my experience as well. There are some cool smaller subreddits that have been gaining more users here recently— r/buddycrossing is one of them. It was pretty slow during NL but here recently people have been holding all night hosting parties, catalogue parties, leave-one-take-ones, stuff like that. And it’s been pretty fun! Reddit isn’t a very good place to sell turnips, regardless of how you feel about entry fees, because of the influx of bots, though. So I prefer to come to TBT for stuff like that.

There are a lot of reasons things are the way they are right now, but I think in a little while the community will mellow out. But if you don’t want to go to an island where you have to pay an entry fee, don’t! There are plenty of others you can go to, and while I personally like to leave tips, it is hard to sell turnips at a 99k entry fee when you’re only looking at making about 200k because you didn’t buy a lot to begin with. Just go somewhere else in the meantime.

 

[FireNinja1]

There are a lot of reasons things are the way they are right now, but I think in a little while the community will mellow out. But if you don’t want to go to an island where you have to pay an entry fee, don’t! There are plenty of others you can go to, and while I personally like to leave tips, it is hard to sell turnips at a 99k entry fee when you’re only looking at making about 200k because you didn’t buy a lot to begin with. Just go somewhere else in the meantime.

Most people who open their towns for turnip selling assume that you're selling a full inventory, which sell for 2-2.5 million bells, depending on the price. 99k comes out to about 5%, which isn't fantastic (especially if you intend to reinvest money into the stalk market), but turnips aren't hard to come by.

 

[Lady Timpani]

Most people who open their towns for turnip selling assume that you're selling a full inventory, which sell for 2-2.5 million bells, depending on the price. 99k comes out to about 5%, which isn't fantastic (especially if you intend to reinvest money into the stalk market), but turnips aren't hard to come by.

Yeah, this is something I’ve learned over the past couple weeks haha. I’ve only ever really dabbled in turnips before, and probably would still be considered to dabble, so it’s been an interesting experience. But my intent wasn’t to put down people who want 99k (or more) entry fees. I can understand why people who buy fewer might not want to pay the 99k entry fee, but at the same time, opening your town and letting people come in is a lot of work, so there’s a give and take there.

 

[Fuzzysaurus Rex]

This happens with literally every game. It dies down after a few months when the less reputable crowds get bored and leave.

 

[Figment]

If I see another thread complaining about a minor detail with new horizons I swear I'm gonna be really annoyed with this community. Nintendo has obviously worked really hard on this game so please appreciate that

On the other hand, I think legitimate constructive criticism is great! And not everyone is going to be happy with -everything- but at least be civil. There's no need to sugar coat everything, but there's no need to be rude.

I agree with you though!

I've seen so many gripes from people saying that it feels like Nintendo released an unfinished product with NH, but I actually LOVE that with free DLC there are so many possibilities for new things to keep everyone surprised. I'm already beyond satisfied for the $60 I payed for this game, but I feel like it's a total win-win that there will be new stuff in the future that won't be spoiled by time travel.

 

[Lavamaize]

ACNH is a really new game so thats means there is going to be more new and random players in general as opposed to new leaf had been around for like 7 years last year so really only the die-hard fans where playing it. This means that most of the die-hard fans had a lot of bells and items and were the ones who liked to give things away. Also as time went on there were more of the items and things became less rare making it so people gave away things more. New Horizons is still new (no pun intended) and so items are rarer and more valuable and a more wide variety of people are playing it too.

 

[Melody]

I've played AC for a long time and I've definitely noticed a change, but I think it has got a lot to do with the game being so new and a lot of people joining the community. It doesn't help that everybody is stuck at home, putting so many hours into the game that the greed for items and villagers is skyrocketing like crazy. I really really hope as time goes on that it gets more chill and the economy is stable, but I really feel like that won't be for a long time and it kind of makes me feel discouraged and behind I love to be involved on many different sites, and I try not to let the competitiveness get to me and ruin my experience. I'm probably a bit too sensitive because of quarantine also haha.

 

[N a t]

I do agree. I haven't witnessed a ton of toxicity but the whole fee to enter a town is odd to me. I personally wouldn't charge someone to visit, however I typically don't play with others I don't know personally nor do I let people in my town often. I just have issues that I cannot get over yet and I am working on because I want people to be able to come visit my shop and Sahara and etc. But even with the stuff Nintendo did to make sure non-best friends cannot ruin your town I'm still trying to get over the fear of someone messing up my town somehow. Like I said. I have issues I'm working on. Until then I'm still happy to make trades and hold them in my town too, I usually just end them quickly after finishing. I only like to make trades and ask for what I think might be fair and only if it's okay with the other person, but I'm not always too upset about paying exuberant prices or extra fees here and there. It can make playing difficult at times though unless I find a way to come into some fortune from another player.
Tldr; Not really suffering but not really thrilled with the situation I guess?