obama or that other guy

obama, that guy, or some other dude


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Okay I get the name is a joke, but come on. You shouldn't really joke about things like this. One, the racism is unneeded. Two, the other guy is Mitt Romney, and he's a joke in and of itself.

Anywho.

Obama 100%. I was partial to Jill Stien, however there's no way she's going to win. It's not going to happen. Obama and Clinton working together is quite possibly the best thing that could happen to this country. Why? Mostly for the education reform. I adore the idea of paying back my college loans based on a percentage of what I earn annually other than having to pay back a flat amount while trying to reach for a job that, lets face it, might not happen. I like that being an educator will have so much more in the way of benefits. Honestly, I believe that it takes four years to fix the last presidents mistakes, and now Obama can actually do something for us.

Medicine? Stem cell research, Pro choice, socialized healthcare, these are all things that the country needs. The trickle down effect that has been fought for by republicans has never worked, and I'm tired of someone else being in a better spot because they were born into privilege and have the money to go to higher end schools, while the rest of us can't afford to do that. Under republican standards the lower and middle class are left behind and are meant to stay there. With a democratic outlook, the rest of us have a chance to actually amount to something someday. That's how the country should be run, with the ability for everyone to have a chance to begin with.

Of course, yes most of these things look like communism which has been pretty much agreed on: It looks good on paper, but it doesn't work. While some people see a socialistic government as communism, with specific changes the entire system can work to the nations advantage.

At the moment, we need more young people in schools, and more people gaining jobs so that we can pay back the nations debt. The american dollar isn't worth what it needs to be, and under obama's plans, we actually can earn back enough by getting people in schools and on from that, into better jobs so that the taxes we pay will amount to more, which will in turn help the country. But, you might say, if we're paying more taxes how are we going to live? A percentage that is not equal for everyone, based on your yearly needs, and your lifestyle will allow you to live comfortably, it will allow you to get what you need, and in turn you can help EVERYONE and not just yourself. America is rather dumb when it comes to the belief that the individual isn't just as much at fault for debt, because it's been that privileged living that got us here to begin with.

Now, onto other reasons. I will NEVER vote for someone that shares Bush's beliefs on prisons, or national security. Obama has been closing down prisons for terrorist threats lately, and do you know what they found there? People are STILL being water-boarded over possibilities rather than proof. This war crap needs to stop, and for that to happen America needs a likable president that most country leaders get along with. I'd say Obama fills those shoes well.

Blah blah blah obama 2012
 
Now, onto other reasons. I will NEVER vote for someone that shares Bush's beliefs on prisons, or national security. Obama has been closing down prisons for terrorist threats lately, and do you know what they found there? People are STILL being water-boarded over possibilities rather than proof. This war crap needs to stop, and for that to happen America needs a likable president that most country leaders get along with. I'd say Obama fills those shoes well.

Couldn't agree more regarding this.
 
I'll never support Obama. :p
Sorry haha. He still needs to fix what Bush screwed up. If he couldn't do that in the first four, how will he do it in the last four? He spent the first few years trying to pass his ridiculous healthcare bill that a lot of people just didn't want. I don't get it. It seems to me people are kind of ignoring the fact that the economy has only gotten worse so far. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Romney, either. The five main companies that support him are the five that are responsible for the housing crisis and the bad loans crap. Neither candidates are good, IMO. If this is the best that America has to offer, then I'm giving up hope in America. I don't get your point on how the Republican Party is against the middle class and lower class people having a chance considering they're all for small and privatized businesses... Unless you mean Romney specifically, but he's just a spoiled child. I was unaware people still actually defended Obama. No offense at all but I really think America could do better. Way better. On the topic of the water-boarding thing, Gitmo should have been shut down years ago. It's completely against the Geneva convention. If we want countries to start taking it seriously, we can't turn a blind eye to what we, ourselves, are doing.
 
I'll never support Obama. :p
Sorry haha. He still needs to fix what Bush screwed up. If he couldn't do that in the first four, how will he do it in the last four? He spent the first few years trying to pass his ridiculous healthcare bill that a lot of people just didn't want. I don't get it. It seems to me people are kind of ignoring the fact that the economy has only gotten worse so far. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Romney, either. The five main companies that support him are the five that are responsible for the housing crisis and the bad loans crap. Neither candidates are good, IMO. If this is the best that America has to offer, then I'm giving up hope in America. I don't get your point on how the Republican Party is against the middle class and lower class people having a chance considering they're all for small and privatized businesses... Unless you mean Romney specifically, but he's just a spoiled child. I was unaware people still actually defended Obama. No offense at all but I really think America could do better. Way better. On the topic of the water-boarding thing, Gitmo should have been shut down years ago. It's completely against the Geneva convention. If we want countries to start taking it seriously, we can't turn a blind eye to what we, ourselves, are doing.

It's not ONLY Guantanamo Bay though. There are a ton of those prisons everywhere in the world.

The republican class mostly works with the trickle down effect, which as a lower class citizen I can vouch for it doesn't work. And no president has ever been able to fix what the previous president did in just four years. The houses have been fighting Obama every step of the way to undo problems that Bush started just because of petty reasons.

As far as the healthcare bill goes, besides my extremely right-wing family, everyone I've talked to is for it. Do you know how many people have already benefited from his healthcare policy? My boyfriend has a pre-existing condition, and could never afford to get help with it. One day he'll be blind. It's not a speculation, it's a fact. Because of the reform he's been able to see someone at an affordable rate that he can work with, so that maybe he can prolong how long he has. As for me, I'm in the hospital once a year. Do you know how much that costs? I'm constantly sick and need that healthcare. I would have been dead had it not gone through.

Then there's the fact parents can claim their children up until the age of 25 on their own medical insurance via work. (United, etc) As a student that lives away from my family, if something happens I'm not completely screwed. There's no reason I should have to pay for medical insurance via student loan money.

It's not the fact people are ignoring the economy at the moment. The plan put into place isn't a fast plan, it's a slow effect that will in time work. Look at it this way, when you build a house you have to start with the planning, it has to be exact and that takes time. Then you build the foundation. It doesn't look like much, but it's there, and it's sturdy, and it will hold everything up. It's the same way with the economy. There's a foundation being built that won't crumble, so that we don't end up in the same situation again.

Here's another simile that a friend and I discussed a while ago.

Fable 3, you play as a tyrant, or someone the people love. As the tyrant, you have to make sacrifices that the people will abhor you for, which will lead to prosperity in the end. If you go as a savior, then the people love you, but in turn you can't earn all that money quickly. While it's possible to save everyone, and make all your objectives without hurting the people, you have to put extra effort in other places that may be slower to show, but work in the long run. It's kind of the same thing and I love using videogame metaphors.
 
He spent the first few years trying to pass his ridiculous healthcare bill that a lot of people just didn't want.

Oh please. I can guarantee you the people who are for those reforms greatly outnumber those against. The difference just comes from the vocality of the two groups.

47 million uninsured, for whatever reason, is a pretty shameful thing for a country of our wealth and status.
 
Okay I get the name is a joke, but come on. You shouldn't really joke about things like this. One, the racism is unneeded. Two, the other guy is Mitt Romney, and he's a joke in and of itself.

Anywho.

Obama 100%. I was partial to Jill Stien, however there's no way she's going to win. It's not going to happen. Obama and Clinton working together is quite possibly the best thing that could happen to this country. Why? Mostly for the education reform. I adore the idea of paying back my college loans based on a percentage of what I earn annually other than having to pay back a flat amount while trying to reach for a job that, lets face it, might not happen. I like that being an educator will have so much more in the way of benefits. Honestly, I believe that it takes four years to fix the last presidents mistakes, and now Obama can actually do something for us.

Medicine? Stem cell research, Pro choice, socialized healthcare, these are all things that the country needs. The trickle down effect that has been fought for by republicans has never worked, and I'm tired of someone else being in a better spot because they were born into privilege and have the money to go to higher end schools, while the rest of us can't afford to do that. Under republican standards the lower and middle class are left behind and are meant to stay there. With a democratic outlook, the rest of us have a chance to actually amount to something someday. That's how the country should be run, with the ability for everyone to have a chance to begin with.

Of course, yes most of these things look like communism which has been pretty much agreed on: It looks good on paper, but it doesn't work. While some people see a socialistic government as communism, with specific changes the entire system can work to the nations advantage.

At the moment, we need more young people in schools, and more people gaining jobs so that we can pay back the nations debt. The american dollar isn't worth what it needs to be, and under obama's plans, we actually can earn back enough by getting people in schools and on from that, into better jobs so that the taxes we pay will amount to more, which will in turn help the country. But, you might say, if we're paying more taxes how are we going to live? A percentage that is not equal for everyone, based on your yearly needs, and your lifestyle will allow you to live comfortably, it will allow you to get what you need, and in turn you can help EVERYONE and not just yourself. America is rather dumb when it comes to the belief that the individual isn't just as much at fault for debt, because it's been that privileged living that got us here to begin with.

Now, onto other reasons. I will NEVER vote for someone that shares Bush's beliefs on prisons, or national security. Obama has been closing down prisons for terrorist threats lately, and do you know what they found there? People are STILL being water-boarded over possibilities rather than proof. This war crap needs to stop, and for that to happen America needs a likable president that most country leaders get along with. I'd say Obama fills those shoes well.

Blah blah blah obama 2012

I would have voted to Jill Stein but like you said, there is no way that's going to happen. You make some very good points and I pretty much agree with you 100%. Speaking of education, my state rep is trying to cut out schools money for education (our schools are already really terribly funded) and trying to stop people in my state from receiving FAFSA for college! (Free money based on your income for those of you who don't know). FAFSA is the only reason I can go to college. I can't and NEVER will be able to pay for college without it and I will be so upset if he get's in and passes this ****. Only the rich should go to school in his eyes.

Whos watching the debate tonight?
 
I mean don't get me wrong, by no means am I republican. I have an extreme distaste for both parties and the way they hope to run the country.
 
I mean don't get me wrong, by no means am I republican. I have an extreme distaste for both parties and the way they hope to run the country.

Yeah **** anyone who has opinions.

The debate tonight will be actually fun to watch. I can already see Mitt ****ing up.
 
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Okay I get the name is a joke, but come on. You shouldn't really joke about things like this. One, the racism is unneeded. Two, the other guy is Mitt Romney, and he's a joke in and of itself.
This thread wasn't meant to be taken seriously, and second it was not my intention to offend anyone. If you were offended, then I am deeply sorry.


Medicine? Stem cell research, Pro choice, socialized healthcare, these are all things that the country needs. The trickle down effect that has been fought for by republicans has never worked, and I'm tired of someone else being in a better spot because they were born into privilege and have the money to go to higher end schools, while the rest of us can't afford to do that. Under republican standards the lower and middle class are left behind and are meant to stay there. With a democratic outlook, the rest of us have a chance to actually amount to something someday. That's how the country should be run, with the ability for everyone to have a chance to begin with.
Agreed, agreed, and agreed.



America is rather dumb when it comes to the belief that the individual isn't just as much at fault for debt, because it's been that privileged living that got us here to begin with.
100 % agree.

Now, onto other reasons. I will NEVER vote for someone that shares Bush's beliefs on prisons, or national security. Obama has been closing down prisons for terrorist threats lately, and do you know what they found there? People are STILL being water-boarded over possibilities rather than proof. This war crap needs to stop, and for that to happen America needs a likable president that most country leaders get along with. I'd say Obama fills those shoes well.

Again, I agree. However, Obama fills those shoes well? That's where I disagree with you. These wars aren't going to end anytime soon, unless the government's imperialistic thirsts don't come to an end. Sure Obama took out troops in Iraq, but then he sent in over 5000 contractors. Not to mention the amount of drones which are about to be sent to the middle east. It's pretty evident that Obama has the same imperialistic goals as past presidents.
Staying in Afghanistan to fight terrorism? Yeahokay. Enormous amounts of lithium was found in Afghanistan.
Besides, terrorism means to spread your political beliefs through the means of terror. Isn't that what the United States has been doing for years?



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**** voting, lets get drunk and eat chicken fingers
I second this.
 
Again, I agree. However, Obama fills those shoes well? That's where I disagree with you. These wars aren't going to end anytime soon, unless the government's imperialistic thirsts don't come to an end. Sure Obama took out troops in Iraq, but then he sent in over 5000 contractors. Not to mention the amount of drones which are about to be sent to the middle east. It's pretty evident that Obama has the same imperialistic goals as past presidents.
Staying in Afghanistan to fight terrorism? Yeahokay. Enormous amounts of lithium was found in Afghanistan.
Besides, terrorism means to spread your political beliefs through the means of terror. Isn't that what the United States has been doing for years?

It's not only about that. I was more talking about likability. Look at what everyone else says about him from other places in the world. Surely you've noticed everyone likes him? That keeps the peace just as well as offering money to other countries.
 
One thing that baffles me is that people blame only Obama for everything. It's not like he's the supreme ruler of the United States. No president is. There is a partnership (or lack thereof) between him and the senate/house. Whatever he says the senate can deny, whatever the senate says he can deny. When they don't work together (like in the last 4 years) nothing gets done. It won't change just by one guy coming into office, it really matters when he is in agreement with the house/senate.
 
It's not only about that. I was more talking about likability. Look at what everyone else says about him from other places in the world. Surely you've noticed everyone likes him? That keeps the peace just as well as offering money to other countries.
He's charismatic sure. But his policies like able? eh............
 
One thing that baffles me is that people blame only Obama for everything. It's not like he's the supreme ruler of the United States. No president is. There is a partnership (or lack thereof) between him and the senate/house. Whatever he says the senate can deny, whatever the senate says he can deny. When they don't work together (like in the last 4 years) nothing gets done. It won't change just by one guy coming into office, it really matters when he is in agreement with the house/senate.
It baffles me too, people seem to forget what a ****hole America was after Bush left. However, I don't think it's proper to give him so much credit either. What the **** was that peace prize for?
 
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