toadsworthy
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yeah i stopped looking at his posts because each one started out with trying to push sus on me, but responded to that in my post above
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yeah i stopped looking at his posts because each one started out with trying to push sus on me, but responded to that in my post above
amanda1983
Senior Member
I'll address the quotes in bold in order, for ease of reference :
- A very very minor quibble but I don't have the most posts in this thread, I've got the 3rd higher player post count. I just wanted to clarify that.
- I feel like you are vastly overestimating my knowledge and experience here. I've never had an actual, proper mafia role yet. That cultists game was my only mafia role, and I was converted near the very end of the game - well after Cult had guaranteed their victory no matter what happened. I get the general theory of supporting scummates, and I know the basics of what to be suspicious of from a Town perspective. But that's it.
- This was the first real direct, confrontational post I had to make this game, and it was towards a very very new player. I did not want to seem dismissive or condescending of her read, but I also absolutely did not agree with it. I post with the intent of generating productive content to further the game, but I try to remain mindful of how I come across to others, even moreso when I haven't interacted with them much prior. If anyone looks at the posts in question and thinks my response was out of line, then that's a problem and I want to know in that case. Short of that, I don't see the issue.
- I don't know if I've misunderstood what "leading a lynch" is or what, but that's the second time you've said I'm doing that when I don't understand why. This time I placed a vote at least, but it was clearly not going to get you lynched given the vote pattern. It was also a vote I think was justified and I'd expect Town!Toads to acknowledge that.
- I'm sorry for not being clear at the time : this reference to tunneling was towards Uttumori, who seemed to be tunneling Lani. I also didn't vote, then or later.
- I did promise a read on Luca, and I gave them the next day. Brief, yes, but I did.
- My understanding at that time was that a) every player who'd played more than 3 games would know that was a Town slip, b) mafia already KNOW who they are and in this game that means they would know everyone else's role - since we had only two, and now 3 total, c) Zendel had NO IDEA he had Town slipped, leaving him vulnerable as he was unaware of how those key mechanics work, d) give the new/er players the benefit of knowing we now had a basically Confirmed Town player - a huge advantage, but only if used, and e) that at least some forms of slipping - falsely or legitimately - had to be allowed in the game due to it's very nature. I would not have said anything if I thought Zendel would be penalised for the accidental slip in any way.
- Mafia would already have known his alignment regardless of how experienced they are. Zendel wasn't mafia, therefore he was Town. I don't think that had anything to do with me.
- For any other type of mafia game I would be much, much more hesitant to bring any attention to such a slip. Thank you for explaining why that's important.
toadsworthy
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-You had the most posts of the three I highlighted, sorry that was my lack of clarification
- Don't bring up cultists lol! it was a bad time hahaha (RIP ROSE THE ROLEBLOCKER) lol
Im clearly not over/underestimating your abilities because you said a few posts ago that you were fully aware of the situation with Nightmares vs Uttumori and that Zendel was not an option, and then I already had your experience factored into my reads. Also bare known, you defended someone who turned out to be mafia (the only other one who did was like Zendel, and we know they aren't mafia) and I don't want that to be lost especially with Zendel's hint in the mix too
- I mostly put in the bit about "leading a lynch" in because I honestly didn't know people thought about lynching me lol, I don't blame you for doing it because yeah I'v been markedly quieter and different in my approach (mostly because of school though).
-The Zendel slip thing is just a weird fact, I don't know if it plays a role in my reads on you, but I just thought it was strange to bring more attention to someone outting themselves. Yes Mafia already knows who is what, but being a regular townie vs an outted townie is different and if you had known Zendel was a townie based on that, you shouldn't have announced to the thread, but rather told him after the game that what you did could be disadvantageous in future games by putting a target on your back (however he wouldn't have had that target in this game because i feel like most people would've just glazed over it)
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however, I like your conversation with me now.... and leads me more to want to vote for primarina
- Don't bring up cultists lol! it was a bad time hahaha (RIP ROSE THE ROLEBLOCKER) lol
Im clearly not over/underestimating your abilities because you said a few posts ago that you were fully aware of the situation with Nightmares vs Uttumori and that Zendel was not an option, and then I already had your experience factored into my reads. Also bare known, you defended someone who turned out to be mafia (the only other one who did was like Zendel, and we know they aren't mafia) and I don't want that to be lost especially with Zendel's hint in the mix too
- I mostly put in the bit about "leading a lynch" in because I honestly didn't know people thought about lynching me lol, I don't blame you for doing it because yeah I'v been markedly quieter and different in my approach (mostly because of school though).
-The Zendel slip thing is just a weird fact, I don't know if it plays a role in my reads on you, but I just thought it was strange to bring more attention to someone outting themselves. Yes Mafia already knows who is what, but being a regular townie vs an outted townie is different and if you had known Zendel was a townie based on that, you shouldn't have announced to the thread, but rather told him after the game that what you did could be disadvantageous in future games by putting a target on your back (however he wouldn't have had that target in this game because i feel like most people would've just glazed over it)
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however, I like your conversation with me now.... and leads me more to want to vote for primarina
if i remember correctly zendel originally mentioned both prim and amanda of being mafia, (im allowed to mention that post right?) so you might want to watch your back
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You're allowed to mention it. It's already out in the open, as far as I'm concerned.
great! thanks
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
i only saw it mentioned amanda... doesn't really change my post though, just shows I'm on the right track!
it doesnt show it on her newer, info post, but the very first info post she made she said that both amanda and prim were scum, but then she edited/removed it and later posted the one you are refering to
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
thats strange, because i highly doubt there is 2 mafia and 3 non mafia. I guess anything is possible, but I'm all for primarina vote tomorrow
i mean, it makes sense, there's 10 players in total, im guessing its split up into 6 town 4 scum, i could be wrong but i think thats usually how it is when there's only 10 players
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
6 and 4 would be insanely unbalanced! its typically 2 or 3 with varying roles included and stuff
oh woops i thought there was always a low amount of scum?
I edited it because I thought we could only reveal one identity, I decided to choose Amanda.
But yes, Primarina is also a sage.
Primarina has been trying way to hard to defend himself which makes it even more obvious.
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Town vs Scum ratio if you read my information.
Originally -
10 : 3
Now -
3 : 2
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It's amazing how quick some of you are to believe Zendel when we were told by Bowie that both of the demons could be lying. And it would be just perfect for a scum like Toad to swoop back in at the last minute and try to get us to lynch each other over a demon's lies.
amanda1983
Senior Member
I think this game is nearly as confusing for me than Miraculous Ladybug cult game was (sorry Toads, I won't reference it again)! I mean, I'm trying to wrap my head around things, and I'm not unhappy - I'm enjoying this, in fact! Aside from the (very quick) first Bayonetta game and then getting killed N1 in Teletubbies mafia, I haven't played for so long I feel so like I've forgotten how to play.
It's day, so we need to vote. I'm not sure why noone else is trying to work out how to vote for. Lani can't talk until Night 3, as Bowie said. So we can't wait for that.
I'm worried about the number of remaining mafia and how close they are to winning. If we lose one more Town player then they equal us.
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EBWOP : I'm not sure why noone else is trying to work out WHO to vote for.
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Assuming Zendel was truthful about the number of mafia remaining. Which now that I think about, doesn't make much sense. Huh. Okay, I'm a bit less worried now.
Toads - how sure are you about there only being 1 mafia remaining?
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EBWOP : Wait, Zendel lying about the number of remaining mafia players doesn't make any sense unless he specifically *has* to, which doesn't seem likely given what Bowie has said in this thread. Hmm. I've managed to confuse myself again. Great.
It's day, so we need to vote. I'm not sure why noone else is trying to work out how to vote for. Lani can't talk until Night 3, as Bowie said. So we can't wait for that.
I'm worried about the number of remaining mafia and how close they are to winning. If we lose one more Town player then they equal us.
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EBWOP : I'm not sure why noone else is trying to work out WHO to vote for.
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Assuming Zendel was truthful about the number of mafia remaining. Which now that I think about, doesn't make much sense. Huh. Okay, I'm a bit less worried now.
Toads - how sure are you about there only being 1 mafia remaining?
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EBWOP : Wait, Zendel lying about the number of remaining mafia players doesn't make any sense unless he specifically *has* to, which doesn't seem likely given what Bowie has said in this thread. Hmm. I've managed to confuse myself again. Great.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
well, if killing power is determined like it normally is, N1 only yielded one death. So that means 2 mafia max. But seeing as how Bowie makes their own rules, it could be 3 and told mafia they only get to kill one person. I don't think town have any PRs like doctor or anything to stop kills otherwise. So I mean I'm like 70/30 on it
regardless, if you looked at my posts Uttumori is confirmed town from that night thing, I know I'm an umbra witch (you may be hesitant, but we'll get to that), that leaves Amanda, Tensu, and Primarina. Tensu literally hammered nightmares during that thing, if she is buffing on that, good job you deserve to win this lol, but i don't think she would've placed that last vote on Nightmares if she was scum.
That leaves Amanda and Primarina, both of which Zendel is saying are scum, so if we vote one of them, either way were golden. And for reasons above, I think we should go with Primarina first because they are being the scummiest. Amanda seems genuine
For those doubting me, I was town leaned at first, called out primarina's sketchy hammer vote on Corrie, asked that blunt question to nightmares and uttumori (why the heck would I put my own scum partner in a situation like that?), and pulled my act together yesterday to try to focus our efforts. IF you think I'm talented enough to do all that as scum, go read the last game I was scum in... I sucked and got lynched D1 lol
I'm voting for Primarina
regardless, if you looked at my posts Uttumori is confirmed town from that night thing, I know I'm an umbra witch (you may be hesitant, but we'll get to that), that leaves Amanda, Tensu, and Primarina. Tensu literally hammered nightmares during that thing, if she is buffing on that, good job you deserve to win this lol, but i don't think she would've placed that last vote on Nightmares if she was scum.
That leaves Amanda and Primarina, both of which Zendel is saying are scum, so if we vote one of them, either way were golden. And for reasons above, I think we should go with Primarina first because they are being the scummiest. Amanda seems genuine
For those doubting me, I was town leaned at first, called out primarina's sketchy hammer vote on Corrie, asked that blunt question to nightmares and uttumori (why the heck would I put my own scum partner in a situation like that?), and pulled my act together yesterday to try to focus our efforts. IF you think I'm talented enough to do all that as scum, go read the last game I was scum in... I sucked and got lynched D1 lol
I'm voting for Primarina
I'm a guy btw just saying lol
Also yeah I think it'll be smart to try to lynch Prima first and go from there. We're more sure about her than Amanda and if there's only one mafia left at this point we'd win. We honestly can't afford a mislynch at this point so be very careful.
Also yeah I think it'll be smart to try to lynch Prima first and go from there. We're more sure about her than Amanda and if there's only one mafia left at this point we'd win. We honestly can't afford a mislynch at this point so be very careful.
toadsworthy
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gosh danget, I'm sorry... i know primarina is a guy, i dont know why i thought you weren't too. I have gotten than at times, so i know its annoying.
if it is two left, I highly doubt its you... so we will just have to see
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