Mafia Mountainous by Demand (ENDGAME- AND THE FINAL MAFIA IS...)

[Geoni]

Can we all try and be around for EoD if we can?

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I'm open to Antonio/Waffles and I'm paranoid about Toads but I'm not unwrapping that tinfoil until later if this is a mislynch.

 

[dedenne]

Can we all try and be around for EoD if we can?

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I'm open to Antonio/Waffles and I'm paranoid about Toads but I'm not unwrapping that tinfoil until later if this is a mislynch.

sorry, wont be here for eod

 

[toadsworthy]

I likely will forget about EoD tbh.... maybe I'll be around though?

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Can we all try and be around for EoD if we can?

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I'm open to Antonio/Waffles and I'm paranoid about Toads but I'm not unwrapping that tinfoil until later if this is a mislynch.

Id be paranoid about me too

 

[radical6]

Switching to antonio since heyden isnt happening

 

[dedenne]

waffles- i. dont. know. ok i do agree that theyve been more serious than usual but do i sus them for that? no. that kinda seems like a really insignificant thing to lynch someone with tbh. nothing really screams scum indicative about her, voted daniel i believe and doesnt think antonio is scum. thats about it. so id say null but maybe a slight townlean (?)

heyden- im hoping scum heyden wouldnt directly copy theyre teammates read (@beginning of game with the whole toad thing) but tbh they sounded genuine at the beginning so they were a townlean. but they did vote unravel and townlean daniel so thats a bit ehhhh. i think a daniel/heyden team is entirely possible so i say scumlean.

geoni- ok to be fair i skim through most of his posts since i dont understand half of it lol but seems like his normal town play imo.

radical- hasnt really done much ngl? did not like that if i were scum bit tho no thank you. i think after the lynch today i can read them more so null for now.

toads- yikes. didnt like the daniel lynch and tried to change it to unravel but imo if he were to bus daniel hed be more suttle not straight up yucko. and his only reason for scumleaning unravel is because her tone is different?? am i missing something? apart from she wasnt in daniels reads. but we already know that he was pressed for time and scum would always include theyre scummate in theyre reads (as far as im aware. idk that just sounds smart to do).
then, of course after writing that i remember Daniel called out toads and now this doesnt make sense so i townlean toads rn.

antonio- why. are. you. so. hard. to. read??
the only thing of proper content hes really posted was that long post on how he thought daniel was scum and everyone was null, but later expressed his other thoughts.
what.
part of me wants to think this is just his town play but hes kinda on the chopping board right now. however we dont really get too much info if he flips town if im honest. but im not sure if we get much more out of voting heyden.

 

[Antonio]

I understand why people are voting me off and I?m fine with being voted off because it may help us. What I don?t understand how these opinions are worth me being lynched when I have stated that I?ve been affected by the weather and other inconveniences throughout the game. So, I?ll be tackling these false accusations head on. After that, I?ll be providing my reads and who I?ll be voting off. This will be (probably) my final post for the day since I have personal things to do.

1. Antonio only provided a solid read on Daniel - First of all, no. I had reads on Daniel and Toad. Even so, I didn?t have internet till Saturday morning and I was skimming the thread without working glasses till Sunday so my ADHD self couldn?t keep up with everything and I couldn't come up with solid conclusions for everyone. Even then the opinions I did have didn?t come to any conclusion and would be adding to nothing if I provided. Even when people asked, I still provided those opinions and like I thought, they provided nothing. I?m trying my best but I can?t come up with conclusions for everyone but atleast I had some opinions on DAY 1.
   
2. Antonio was just trying to get on the Daniel Lynch Train - I understand how people would have come to this conclusion but no, just because I came in late due to the hurricane doesn?t mean I was trying to get onto the Daniel train, it means I was late to state my opinion. People had other opinions throughout the game on other people who were scum but when I looked over the thread, Daniel stuck out to me the most. I was right, he was.
   
3. Antonio doesn?t provide long posts - Yes, I do. I have done it as Town and Mafia. It?s not role indicating. When I type long posts, I usually have a solid train of thought and would like to express that as best as I can.

Now, my reads:

Dad - Scum - It feels like he?s trying to control the game or he?s taking charge of everything. It?s probably because he?s the most active, imo. Near the end of day 1 however, he was even keeping score of how many votes there were between unravel and daniel, trying to get unravel voted off. His attempt failed and daniel appeared scum.

What I don?t understand is how unravel was more scum then daniel? Heck, I don?t understand why Dad didn?t pick daniel since he was more obvious scum. Dad scum read daniel as well so it?s not like he didn?t think he was scum.

I?m not the best at reading Dad but I do know when something doesn?t seem right and dad trying to change his vote less than 20 minutes before the final vote count to unravel and hoping daniel comes on and make the final vote a random decision between unravel and Daniel but failed to is highly suspicious to me personally and should be talked about more. Also, why did it have to be daniel personally to change the vote? Why couldn't it be someone else?

Toad - Scumish - I have stated my opinions on this but every time I think about it, the more null he feels to me. I just can?t see him working with Daniel.


Heyden/Radical6/Unravel - Nulls - I can?t personally read you guys nor do I find your posts suspicious like I do other members.

Dede - Townish - She feels like the most genuine person out of everyone. It?s like how she is on the discord, genuine. Plus her jokingly interaction between her and ness feels very town versus town.

These are my opinions and since It?s day 2, I have more opinions then I did during day 1. I?ll be voting for Dad his time around and won?t be back till tomorrow, I think.

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I typed this in google doc since it's easier to format things on there. ;-;

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Turns out, it didn't format properly. ;-;

 

[radical6]

So dedenne...who do you want to lynch then? You suspect Heyden but want an Antonio lynch?

Also like 6 hours left

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I would prefer heyden over antonio but id rather have an antonio lynch than a waffles one.

I still stand by my antonio world view and could maybe replace antonio with waffles. If daniels scum partner was active then id say heyden. Again I will repeat its more odd that Daniel and Heyden try to distance from each other than for Daniel to forget waffles. He was likely going to die and he knew it. Leaving someone out is pretty dumb. But he was also busy.

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Also Antonio I know your connection was out of control but it just fits pretty well with my "daniel is screwed and left alone" world theory. Doesnt help waffles has a choppy connection too. I'm not blaming you for your connection, but unfortunately it makes sense to me.

 

[dedenne]

@radical nah i want a heyden lynch over antonio if im honest

 

[radical6]

So I'm in favor for a Heyden lynch and so is Dedenne but I would rather have antonio over waffles if shes the 2nd lynch candidate. Idk no one is gonna be on for eod and ill probably be sleeping by eod. Well I hope antonio is scum so this game can be over with.

 

[toadsworthy]

waffles lynch isn't gonna happen so i would vote someone else.... someone convince me lol

 

[Heyden]

@The people wanting to vote me:
1. Would you blindly mimic your scummates suspicion rather than distancing yourself on D1?
2. Would you kill the person who townreads you the most on N1?
My answer, and I’m sure most people’s answers would be no to both, but people seem to think both yes for me.

And the more I think about it, the Ness kill feels like Antonio’s method in trying to direct suspicion onto Geoni, so I’ll keep my vote on him most likely.

 

[toadsworthy]

one more makes maj btw

 

[Geoni]

Okay I'm mostly around from here on out although I am at work. Why are Antonio and Dedenne the only walls since I last posted smh?

 

[radical6]

Okay I'm mostly around from here on out although I am at work. Why are Antonio and Dedenne the only walls since I last posted smh?

Depression. Also did bad on my exam so im just gonna sleep for the rest of the day. Major L


Anyway to Heyden.. but you both distanced yourselves. You said townlean on daniel and he said null on you. Even then you didn't try too hard to defend him and you guys barely interacted.

Also idk if you would kill someone who townreads you. Thats a good point. But I don't understand the ness kill in general. I'm keeping my vote on antonio for now given my world view + his sudden post about daniel which seemed like a last minute bus.

 

[Geoni]

I understand why people are voting me off and I’m fine with being voted off because it may help us. What I don’t understand how these opinions are worth me being lynched when I have stated that I’ve been affected by the weather and other inconveniences throughout the game. So, I’ll be tackling these false accusations head on. After that, I’ll be providing my reads and who I’ll be voting off. This will be (probably) my final post for the day since I have personal things to do.

1. Antonio only provided a solid read on Daniel - First of all, no. I had reads on Daniel and Toad. Even so, I didn’t have internet till Saturday morning and I was skimming the thread without working glasses till Sunday so my ADHD self couldn’t keep up with everything and I couldn't come up with solid conclusions for everyone. Even then the opinions I did have didn’t come to any conclusion and would be adding to nothing if I provided. Even when people asked, I still provided those opinions and like I thought, they provided nothing. I’m trying my best but I can’t come up with conclusions for everyone but atleast I had some opinions on DAY 1.
   
2. Antonio was just trying to get on the Daniel Lynch Train - I understand how people would have come to this conclusion but no, just because I came in late due to the hurricane doesn’t mean I was trying to get onto the Daniel train, it means I was late to state my opinion. People had other opinions throughout the game on other people who were scum but when I looked over the thread, Daniel stuck out to me the most. I was right, he was.
   
3. Antonio doesn’t provide long posts - Yes, I do. I have done it as Town and Mafia. It’s not role indicating. When I type long posts, I usually have a solid train of thought and would like to express that as best as I can.

Now, my reads:

Dad - Scum - It feels like he’s trying to control the game or he’s taking charge of everything. It’s probably because he’s the most active, imo. Near the end of day 1 however, he was even keeping score of how many votes there were between unravel and daniel, trying to get unravel voted off. His attempt failed and daniel appeared scum.

What I don’t understand is how unravel was more scum then daniel? Heck, I don’t understand why Dad didn’t pick daniel since he was more obvious scum. Dad scum read daniel as well so it’s not like he didn’t think he was scum.

I’m not the best at reading Dad but I do know when something doesn’t seem right and dad trying to change his vote less than 20 minutes before the final vote count to unravel and hoping daniel comes on and make the final vote a random decision between unravel and Daniel but failed to is highly suspicious to me personally and should be talked about more. Also, why did it have to be daniel personally to change the vote? Why couldn't it be someone else?

Toad - Scumish - I have stated my opinions on this but every time I think about it, the more null he feels to me. I just can’t see him working with Daniel.


Heyden/Radical6/Unravel - Nulls - I can’t personally read you guys nor do I find your posts suspicious like I do other members.

Dede - Townish - She feels like the most genuine person out of everyone. It’s like how she is on the discord, genuine. Plus her jokingly interaction between her and ness feels very town versus town.

These are my opinions and since It’s day 2, I have more opinions then I did during day 1. I’ll be voting for Dad his time around and won’t be back till tomorrow, I think.

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I typed this in google doc since it's easier to format things on there. ;-;

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Turns out, it didn't format properly. ;-;

I understood that you had legitimate IRL issues with net connection and my reads on you and Waffles (since she is also having some) are independent of difficulty connecting. What I have an issue with, Antonio, is that you spent a large bulk of your day 1 reads just on Dan who flipped mafia, provided bare minimum reads on the others you managed to, and he turned out to be the type of mafia perfect for bussing. One point I will give you is that I have a hard time seeing you solo the game from day 1.

As for my unvoting at EoD I don't see it as scummy but I'm me and realize that this is a different culture than what I've adjusted to regularly playing in this past year (Mafia Universe). EoD is much more dynamic there. But the skepticism seems at least healthy. I actually am gonna invite you and hope I'm not too late this time.

Why doesn't Toads belong in your bills if that's what he is? And why are those folks still null for you? It's probably useless to ask if you are not coming back and about to get lynched but I'm willing to give you another day.

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Someone break my post so I'm not a chain lol.

 

[toadsworthy]

Depression. Also did bad on my exam so im just gonna sleep for the rest of the day. Major L


Anyway to Heyden.. but you both distanced yourselves. You said townlean on daniel and he said null on you. Even then you didn't try too hard to defend him and you guys barely interacted.

Also idk if you would kill someone who townreads you. Thats a good point. But I don't understand the ness kill in general. I'm keeping my vote on antonio for now given my world view + his sudden post about daniel which seemed like a last minute bus.

I'm sorry.... i hope you feel better

 

[Geoni]

@The people wanting to vote me:
1. Would you blindly mimic your scummates suspicion rather than distancing yourself on D1?
2. Would you kill the person who townreads you the most on N1?
My answer, and I’m sure most people’s answers would be no to both, but people seem to think both yes for me.

And the more I think about it, the Ness kill feels like Antonio’s method in trying to direct suspicion onto Geoni, so I’ll keep my vote on him most likely.

I've seen both of those things done plenty by scum so my answer is yes.

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Not sure about lynching you today though, that being said.

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waffles lynch isn't gonna happen so i would vote someone else.... someone convince me lol

I'm willing to consider Waffles here honestly. Gonna reread both her and you.

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Sorry if my posts are incomprehensible Dedenne. As for your wall I disagree with a Waffles townlean and Heyden too scumlean but I think it's good to look at radical and Toads here. Still think radical is just town because as much as she seems like she might be tunneling Heyden she had a post earlier in the day that demonstrated a wide view and consideration of all the players. Toads giving you yikes moments is grounds for an EoD ISO on both of our parts but you said you wouldn't be around?

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Depression. Also did bad on my exam so im just gonna sleep for the rest of the day. Major L


Anyway to Heyden.. but you both distanced yourselves. You said townlean on daniel and he said null on you. Even then you didn't try too hard to defend him and you guys barely interacted.

Also idk if you would kill someone who townreads you. Thats a good point. But I don't understand the ness kill in general. I'm keeping my vote on antonio for now given my world view + his sudden post about daniel which seemed like a last minute bus.

Was it really all that last minute though? And if he were scum' why wouldn't he join the Waffles wagon given that was viable as a mislynch that could save Dan if Dan/Antonio was the team?

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Right now my lynch priority is Waffles -> Toads or Antonio -> Heyden. I want to give Antonio the extra day, I don't think that even if I came to a sudden certain realization about Toads that I'd get him lynched at EoD with afk people, and idk with Heyden.

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@The people wanting to vote me:
1. Would you blindly mimic your scummates suspicion rather than distancing yourself on D1?
2. Would you kill the person who townreads you the most on N1?
My answer, and I’m sure most people’s answers would be no to both, but people seem to think both yes for me.

And the more I think about it, the Ness kill feels like Antonio’s method in trying to direct suspicion onto Geoni, so I’ll keep my vote on him most likely.

Gonna check what your views on Antonio were before this moment since you two are top wagons.

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I'll park my vote on Toads because no one seems half interested in voting Waffles. I really don't see anything specific in Daniel, so.

Waffles was the counterwagon to Dan D1 and Antonio is the counter to you rn on D2 so I'm just feeling very 'hmm' about it.

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I don?t know why you?re townreading radical, she hasn?t done anything useful for town besides avoiding the overall vote between the main people and voting me, but that?s not really scum indicative. Antonio parked his vote and never moved off it, but I?m not really familiar whether he would do that, same with Dedenne.
Geoni/Ness both feel town, more the former.
Waffles/Toads is where I?m looking at rn, but I?m a bit iffy on Toads right now.

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Also not to propagate myself but I?m not that inadept at mafia to blindly sheep my scummates baseless accusation, I?d hope.

Why was Ness less clear for you than me at this moment?

Also I pointed it out before but I disliked how contradictory that felt when it came to the radical read.

Antonio read is just tepid if anything.

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Well usually it would be for newer people like Dedenne or Antonio but I?d expect her to know to not isolate her vote as someone whos played a lot more games.

Iffy on Toads because his reaction to Daniel?s death seemed genuine IMO.

If I'm being honest I thought Toads would die last night and not Ness so my tinfoil is that if you are scum you kept someone who was being consensus read as town (at the time of night 1) because you were pocketing him but I could argue the same when it came to Ness so idk

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I?ll go into depth later after school but for now my current thoughts:
Town: Geoni/Dedenne
Null:Antonio/Radical/Toads
Scum: Waffles

I?m inclined to vote Antonio either but not so much Toads/Radical, so you could say I slightly townlean them.

This at least seems consistent with where you are now on Antonio. Still tilting my head because you have Waffles as more sus, and Toads would vote Waffles and I was showing that I would too.

 

[Geoni]

I don?t think anyone is pinning you for that specifically. Besides, you?ve only posted a few less posts than me/Dedenne/Toads.

Geoni did too, from Daniel.

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IDK part of me just feels Waffles is too... obvious? to be true.

Dan felt too obvious to be true and he flipped mafia. Why this progression on Waffles?

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Yeah I didn?t really mean to put them in null , I was just regurgitating a post before I left. It was more slight town lean Toads and radical, slight scumlean Antonio.

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Actually I?ll push Antonio up to a strong scumlean. His dumbtelling of not knowing how many mafia members then immediately correcting himself felt lowkey manufactured. However in past games I don?t think he really pays attention so it?s difficult to determine one or the other lol. Also his hard scumlean of Daniel in less than an hour of reading felt kinda odd, either to make himself look better as scum, or is a sheeping townie. Honestly I don?t know, Antonio is one of those people I can never read but I?m down for his lynch anyway.

Didn't you sound uncertain about how Antonio played in the past in an earlier read? Why are you selectively knowing his meta here?

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Actually no, why would he kill Ness, the only person who was townreading him prior to like 1 minute before night ended.

I had this same thought.

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I don't think Antonio knows what that means, nor would his intention to kill Ness be based on that. My problem with his 'dumbtelling' is that he's done this on several occasions during past games as a townie, which is why at this point I'm not sure whether to consider it void or not. On the other hand, l don't really know who else to pin as scum.

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So you TR Antonio?

You don't know who else to pin as scum because your only other sus was waffles and you progressed away from that because of 'too obvious' alone? All while Antonio is your counterwagon?

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Whatever, I'll vote Antonio for now in case I can't tomorrow. I have other theories but I'm too unmotivated with life in general to dive into them for now, maybe tomorrow or something.

Not asking you to dive into them but what are the other theories, briefly?

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Okay this seems viable as scum again but ISOing Waffles real quick

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I got no time to read everything currently doing smthinf for pre employment and found a free wifi

Tbh I like when Heyden and Toads are really hesitant to lynch me without really a strong reason to lynch me tbh this is gonna be like punchy game all over again where people focusinf lynching on one person and turns out to be a TOWN all along

Tbh I'm obviously not a scum, I'm just a townie. You guys are really wastinf ur time voting me thos two are REALLY SKEPTICAL voting daniel and they prefer lynching me over anyone else. If yall doing this based on day 1 and gut feeling then obviously ur not thinking straight but wasting entire time. I have the right to defend myself and I dont really want to waste a mislynch because we are this close to win anyway.

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I mean even Antonio and Ness have really a GOOD points on explaining, i didnt explain much about daniel cuz obviously my net is scum xD

I even seriously dunno why u guys suspected antonio like dude 5 town 2 scum why would antonio take a huge risk??????

I'm part of the PoE in this post but aside from that I like the perception of it and it seems like genuine frustration. But if a towny post actually.

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Bit of a*

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Mafia killing Ness, made me doubt on Dad, heyden and toads

Leeching bf's net sig

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How is even antonio possible scum again?

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@Geoni

Question about Antonio seems in line with a focus on how she is looking at EoD voteswitchers, which Antonio wasn't.

 

[radical6]

Will try to iso tods latee. Doubt a toad ly ch will happen though. Might need to iso dedenne too.

And thanks toad. Yeah im pretty demoralized rn but I hope to post more in a hour. Rip

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Im down to voting heyden btw. Antonio killing ness is meh. Would think he wouldve killed you insteas.

 

[Geoni]

Will try to iso tods latee. Doubt a toad ly ch will happen though. Might need to iso dedenne too.

And thanks toad. Yeah im pretty demoralized rn but I hope to post more in a hour. Rip

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Im down to voting heyden btw. Antonio killing ness is meh. Would think he wouldve killed you insteas.

I'm thinking it's either Heyden or Toads, not sure Waffles is wolfing, looking at this ISO and I will leave Antonio alone for now to see how he develops but he's not out of the PoE.

I'm at Heyden|Toads, Antonio, Waffles, and then you from most to least likely to flip scum.

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Will probably vote Heyden if just because I want one of my top two suspects solved and Toads has like no votes but I'm ISOing Toads now.