Vex L'Cour
Weebalicious Furry.
Even if the rapture doesn't come it looks like we will be saying goodbye to our much loved game series:
comments?
comments?
IT'S THE END! (of Pokémon)
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KlopiTackle
Politoed
Pokemon white wasn't good,but their most likely to make gen 6...
(Pokemon gray/grey can't come out due to B/W being DSI and the 3DS has come out)
(Pokemon gray/grey can't come out due to B/W being DSI and the 3DS has come out)
Ron Ronaldo
Seer of Heart :33
I think they meant that they were done with the 5th generation, like KlopiTackle said. I can't imagine them just dropping a cash cow like that. xD
Psychonaut
Senior Member
this, at very most.
i doubt they'll follow through, though. just like them to milk a third game.
That was a false rumor that was spread a few months back. Shortly after, Junichi Masuda was asked in an interview why there won't be a third version this generation, and he was confused and said that he never said such a thing. Pok?mon Gray, or whatever it will be called (I'm hoping for Pok?mon Chrome), will be made, just like Blue/Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum before it.
Why can't the third version of this generation be a 3DS game?
Besides, Pok?mon Black and White seem very suitable for 3D as they are. Just update the graphics, add some new content, and make use of the 3DS's various new features like StreetPass and whatnot, and BAM! 3DS Pok?mon Gray! Then they can start development on Generation VI, which will be built from the ground up for the 3DS.
Psychonaut
Senior Member
this is what you actually WANT?
jesus, save us all.
i could understand if they had delayed gen 5 and made it a 3ds game, i really could.
i can really see how every connectivity option the 3ds allows would work excellently with a flagship title like pokemon.
i can really get behind a new pokemon game that fully incorporates the 3ds' functionality, except actually implementing 3d into pokemon is kinda pointless as the games stand, imo.
to have them rehash the not even one year old game just because they have been for years and they didn't tailor the new game to the new system is.. unappealing to me.
but hey, not my money/business, i guess. i'm just going to be kinda disappointed if nintendo does this, i guess. doesn't really build a good reputation for them, imo. pokemon isn't really shining outside of the core audience, y'know.
Is it what I want? No, I'd much rather have a brand new 3DS Pok?mon game. But let's be realistic here, that's not what we're going to get. At least not yet. And yes, I would have preferred Black and White to have been pushed back to the 3DS, but that would have never happened. Generation V was made for the DS for a reason, and it certainly payed off in the end. The games have broken sales records like crazy, becoming the most successful launch in the franchise's history, and the fastest selling DS game ever. None of that would have happened if they had waited to release the games on the 3DS. The reason why Pok?mon Black and White sold so well is because there are so many DS owners out there right now. Many, many more than back when Diamond and Pearl were released. The massive install base was a key to Black and White's success, something that could not be achieved by a 3DS game this early in the 3DS's life. And now that there are so many copies of Black and White out there, what better than a third version on the 3DS to boost 3DS sales? Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love a unique 3DS Pok?mon game, and that will come in time, but not before a third version to this generation. The so-called "rehashing" of a third game has happened with every past generation, so why wouldn't it happen again this time? I'm just looking at the facts here and predicting what will most likely happen not based on what I necessarily want, but what we should expect.
And, yeah, I would be perfectly fine with a 3DS version of Black and White to hold me over until the 6th generation games are complete. Better to have some Pok?mon on the 3DS, albeit familiar, than nothing for the next few years, right?
Vex L'Cour
Weebalicious Furry.
I agree with Psycho.
3DS shouldn't touch Pok?mon untill it they put Colliseum graphics onto it.
3DS shouldn't touch Pok?mon untill it they put Colliseum graphics onto it.
crazyredd45
DJ. Atomika
I also agree but Pokemon battle revolution would be good for in battles
Vex L'Cour
Weebalicious Furry.
I mean as in they do the 3D Graphicals. As well as your character walking around like on Coliseum
Psychonaut
Senior Member
so instead of giving nintendo feedback against this kind of a thing (think a boycott that would never work), we're all just supposed to buy into this sales pattern?Tyeforce said:
i understand completely, as do plenty of other people, that there is about a 99% chance (lolmadeuppercentages) that there will be a third released within a year. i'm not trying to kid myself to believe otherwise. what i am trying to do is to get you to think about if it is really necessary, and if nintendo is gaining any more of a reputation aside from milking the pokemon franchise. that is how many people see the series, and with so many games, it's a very justified opinion/stance, in my opinion.
ignore the mario/zelda lists, and focus on pokemon having 40+ games in just over a decade and change. that's roughly 3-4 games per year. true most of them are doubles/triples, but still, one game series per year is a bit much, imo.
JasonBurrows
Senior Member
Where, may I ask, did you find that list Psychonaut, could you please send me the link in a PM.
Oh, I know very well that it's not necessary. And just like you, I'd much rather have a brand new Pok?mon game than a slightly improved third version. But is it really hurting anything? Yes, people complain about the rehashing, but in the end, we still buy the games and enjoy them. And I'd much rather have them put out a third version every once and awhile to fill the gap while we're waiting for the next generation. Same thing with remakes, though I doubt we'll be seeing any more main series remakes, at least not for awhile. Brand new Pok?mon games take a lot of time to make, and I'd much rather the developers take their time on them instead of rushing them. But while we're waiting for those new games, I don't mind a few similar, yet reworked and improved games in the mean time. No, Nintendo, Game Freak, and The Pok?mon Company don't really need the extra, easy money they get from third versions and remakes, but at the same time, we don't really need to have new Pok?mon games to play. Though, I'm sure any Pok?mon fan would agree that it's very nice to have them, lol.so instead of giving nintendo feedback against this kind of a thing (think a boycott that would never work), we're all just supposed to buy into this sales pattern?
i understand completely, as do plenty of other people, that there is about a 99% chance (lolmadeuppercentages) that there will be a third released within a year. i'm not trying to kid myself to believe otherwise. what i am trying to do is to get you to think about if it is really necessary, and if nintendo is gaining any more of a reputation aside from milking the pokemon franchise. that is how many people see the series, and with so many games, it's a very justified opinion/stance, in my opinion.
ignore the mario/zelda lists, and focus on pokemon having 40+ games in just over a decade and change. that's roughly 3-4 games per year. true most of them are doubles/triples, but still, one game series per year is a bit much, imo.
Psychonaut
Senior Member
so let me get this straight.
like me, you'd rather have a brand new pokemon game instead of a slightly improved third. okay, i think we can all agree on that, so long as the new game(s) are good and worth the time/money.
>is it really hurting anything?
milking a franchise for sales just because they know they can is an awful way for a company to be viewed, imo. i know that you're going to be all over them one way or another, but i think you really need to consider what you're doing. you are feeding nintendo more money and giving them positive feedback for doing a bad thing: milking a franchise because they can. (i believe i said this in my last post, as well.) people buy them just because they exist, and nintendo knows this. it is awful, and needs to be stopped, because nintendo has a bad enough reputation currently. pokemon is one of the few things i still enjoy from nintendo, one of the others being classic (real classic, not classic remake) snes/n64 games. i love that there are new installations of the pokemon franchise, but i absolutely hate that the first release of a generation (pokemon-wise) is almost always the lame-duck prototype, and the third is always the one that's worth the money because of small things that should have been in the first. yellow had some different storylines and pikachu following you, that was cool. crystal had a new gender, and a lot of extra story, that's acceptable. emerald had the battle island thing (frontier?), that at least gave some end-game to do, since all of the facilities were kinda fun. platinum.. was basically emerald + some exclusive move tutors and the battle recorder, if i remember correctly.my last post said:
now, i may just have my head in the clouds and expect a lot from a company that frankly doesn't give a ****, but i think that the slight changes to each generation of releases could have been included in the first. you're free to disagree, that's cool, but i really do not agree with the sales model nintendo's got going for pokemon right now.
it is true that brand new pokemon (and virtually any other series) games take a lot of time and effort to create from scratch (basically) and black and white had a lot of excellent content. i'm not arguing against that. i'm arguing against the route the games have taken to release 3 games off of one's content. i can understand two versions to an extent, especially since there's wifi for trading, now. the third is just.. unnecessary, completely.
i am a very diehard pokemon fan, and i detest the third games. i dread them. i wish they didn't exist. and i would go out on a limb to say i'm not the only pokemon fan who feels that way.
being a fan does not mean being a sucker for every ploy a company tries to push.
I understand that they're essentially "milking" the franchise, but that's not always a bad thing, you know. And it really isn't a bad thing in Pok?mon's case, because all entires in the franchise are of pretty high quality. And I think you would have a different opinion about the first versions of a generation if third versions didn't exist. Yes, third versions introduce some new features that could have been implemented in the first versions, but had third versions never existed, do you honestly think you would be complaining that the first versions lacked those things? If anything, you'd be complaining about things that you wish were in the games that aren't in any version, third or first. I think it's just sad that some people look down on the first versions of a generation so much once the third version is released. Yeah, the third version has more content, stuff that could have been included in the first version, but you can't deny that the first versions were still good games. And they keep getting progressively better. Just look at the massive amount of content that Pok?mon Black and White has.
so let me get this straight.
like me, you'd rather have a brand new pokemon game instead of a slightly improved third. okay, i think we can all agree on that, so long as the new game(s) are good and worth the time/money.
>is it really hurting anything?
milking a franchise for sales just because they know they can is an awful way for a company to be viewed, imo. i know that you're going to be all over them one way or another, but i think you really need to consider what you're doing. you are feeding nintendo more money and giving them positive feedback for doing a bad thing: milking a franchise because they can. (i believe i said this in my last post, as well.) people buy them just because they exist, and nintendo knows this. it is awful, and needs to be stopped, because nintendo has a bad enough reputation currently. pokemon is one of the few things i still enjoy from nintendo, one of the others being classic (real classic, not classic remake) snes/n64 games. i love that there are new installations of the pokemon franchise, but i absolutely hate that the first release of a generation (pokemon-wise) is almost always the lame-duck prototype, and the third is always the one that's worth the money because of small things that should have been in the first. yellow had some different storylines and pikachu following you, that was cool. crystal had a new gender, and a lot of extra story, that's acceptable. emerald had the battle island thing (frontier?), that at least gave some end-game to do, since all of the facilities were kinda fun. platinum.. was basically emerald + some exclusive move tutors and the battle recorder, if i remember correctly.
now, i may just have my head in the clouds and expect a lot from a company that frankly doesn't give a ****, but i think that the slight changes to each generation of releases could have been included in the first. you're free to disagree, that's cool, but i really do not agree with the sales model nintendo's got going for pokemon right now.
it is true that brand new pokemon (and virtually any other series) games take a lot of time and effort to create from scratch (basically) and black and white had a lot of excellent content. i'm not arguing against that. i'm arguing against the route the games have taken to release 3 games off of one's content. i can understand two versions to an extent, especially since there's wifi for trading, now. the third is just.. unnecessary, completely.
i am a very diehard pokemon fan, and i detest the third games. i dread them. i wish they didn't exist. and i would go out on a limb to say i'm not the only pokemon fan who feels that way.
being a fan does not mean being a sucker for every ploy a company tries to push.
It's not like it's anything new, either. Third versions have been around since Generation I (which actually had a fourth version, mind you). I've never, ever heard anyone complain about third versions like you. I just don't understand your logic here. I think you're just wanting to argue with me just because you can. I mean, seriously, it isn't hurting anything at all. It doesn't effect the quality of the games, it doesn't effect anything negatively at all. And it really doesn't effect Nintendo's reputation, either. I guess there are the few people like you who think it's an abomination for some reason, but is Nintendo losing any money or fans from it? Not at all. Is Pok?mon as a franchise suffering from it? No, it's only seeing improvements and more games as a result. I honestly fail to see the logic on your side of the argument. It's like you don't want more games and improvement.
Does anyone else here even agree with Psychonaut at this point? I'd be amazed if anyone else (non-troll, that is) does, because I don't see how it's possible, really. I can understand someone disliking the idea of third versions, but to honestly believe that they're a bad thing... I just don't get it. Where's the harm?
crazyredd45
DJ. Atomika
That may be good but wouldn't it take away the feel of pokemon, i mean i enjoyed how black had its 3d graphics and coliseum could take away the feel.
Vex L'Cour
Weebalicious Furry.
Not as in...
As in the same Graphics as Coliseum, so 3D characters ETC.
But the game play remains the same. How would that ruin the feel? It's like saying LOZ jumping from Snes 2D to N64 3D ruined it, when infact it made it more popular
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