Healthcare Passes in the House

[«Jack»]

LOOOONG POST IS LOOOOOONG.

Just FYI, I go to his school, and our teachers haven't said *censored.2.0* about it besides "Hey, guess what? The House passed a health care bill."
So don't say that he hasn't formed his own opinions.

 

[Pear]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

 

[Pear]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

Minnesota is a liberal state, and we have liberal senators, so our state is happy.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

Minnesota is a liberal state, and we have liberal senators, so our state is happy.

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

 

[Pear]

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

Minnesota is a liberal state, and we have liberal senators, so our state is happy.

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

I was kind of insinuating that. XD

 

[«Jack»]

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

Minnesota is a liberal state, and we have liberal senators, so our state is happy.

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

HE LIES. I'm not a liberal. Or a conservative. I'm neutral. But I like arguing with Perry.

 

[Entei Slider]

Well my world is over with this because no one thinks my severe heart problem is severe.
So yup Im screwed kthxbai.

 

[«Jack»]

Well my world is over with this because no one thinks my severe heart problem is severe.
So yup Im screwed kthxbai.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Entei Slider]

Well my world is over with this because no one thinks my severe heart problem is severe.
So yup Im screwed kthxbai.

Thank you for sharing.

Heh heh.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

When was the last time the ******** represented most of their voters?

Minnesota is a liberal state, and we have liberal senators, so our state is happy.

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

HE LIES. I'm not a liberal. Or a conservative. I'm neutral. But I like arguing with Perry.

Oh good, I was beginning to think you both were living in some sort of Utopian society. :3

@roblox: The Canadians do. >:

 

[«Jack»]

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

HE LIES. I'm not a liberal. Or a conservative. I'm neutral. But I like arguing with Perry.

Oh good, I was beginning to think you both were living in some sort of Utopian society. :3

@roblox: The Canadians do. >:

MINNESOTA ES UTOPIA. WE EAT SNOWMOBILES AND RIDE MOOSEN.

 

[Entei Slider]

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep

I'm assuming you mean the majority of the state is liberal, because for a a whole state filled with diverse people, there's no way every single person is liberal. If it is, good for you.

HE LIES. I'm not a liberal. Or a conservative. I'm neutral. But I like arguing with Perry.

Oh good, I was beginning to think you both were living in some sort of Utopian society. :3

@roblox: The Canadians do. >:

I have a canadian friend that used to go to my school and she did think it was severe...Hey are you my secret stalker???
Lol.

 

[BUFF8280]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

Teachers may not be ALLOWED to say, but they do. I live in Liberal NJ, and they do. Oh, and trust me. Conservatives are rising up because they are tired of this nonsense. (ie NJ and Virginia just elected Republican Governors, and Obama even came to new jersey 3 times to campaign for Corzine)

Oh, my bad I said 7% of all purchases, and apparently that doesnt go into the pot of what I pay out in taxes. Im sorry that I dont enjoy working my ass off and then paying out MAJORITY of my pay towards Liberal agendas.

Your dad is self employeed. Well then thats what business owners are supposed to do. Get healthcare for themselves. My parents owned business' when I was a kid and they got healthcare for themselves and their employees. Sorry your dad is looking for a hand out. Thats not the American way.

And yes, we have Politicians in Washington for us, but they are not Representing us, they are representing the lobbyists.

 

[«Jack»]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

Teachers may not be ALLOWED to say, but they do. I live in Liberal NJ, and they do. Oh, and trust me. Conservatives are rising up because they are tired of this nonsense. (ie NJ and Virginia just elected Republican Governors, and Obama even came to new jersey 3 times to campaign for Corzine)

Oh, my bad I said 7% of all purchases, and apparently that doesnt go into the pot of what I pay out in taxes. Im sorry that I dont enjoy working my ass off and then paying out MAJORITY of my pay towards Liberal agendas.

Your dad is self employeed. Well then thats what business owners are supposed to do. Get healthcare for themselves. My parents owned business' when I was a kid and they got healthcare for themselves and their employees. Sorry your dad is looking for a hand out. Thats not the American way.

And yes, we have Politicians in Washington for us, but they are not Representing us, they are representing the lobbyists.

Congratulations, by blaming this all on the liberals and saying that it's not "The American way", you've turned yourself into the stereotypical over-the-top conservative.

 

[Pear]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

Teachers may not be ALLOWED to say, but they do. I live in Liberal NJ, and they do. Oh, and trust me. Conservatives are rising up because they are tired of this nonsense. (ie NJ and Virginia just elected Republican Governors, and Obama even came to new jersey 3 times to campaign for Corzine)

Oh, my bad I said 7% of all purchases, and apparently that doesnt go into the pot of what I pay out in taxes. Im sorry that I dont enjoy working my ass off and then paying out MAJORITY of my pay towards Liberal agendas.

Your dad is self employeed. Well then thats what business owners are supposed to do. Get healthcare for themselves. My parents owned business' when I was a kid and they got healthcare for themselves and their employees. Sorry your dad is looking for a hand out. Thats not the American way.

And yes, we have Politicians in Washington for us, but they are not Representing us, they are representing the lobbyists.

What the hell are you not getting about public option health care company. It's not a handout, you're paying for it, but instead of going to some fat cat's wallet it goes back to the American public. And if everyone were getting a 'handout' it wouldn't exactly be one, now would it?

Unfortunately, I think human compassion and empathy died. Seriously, there are people on the streets, and all people care about is the silly margins by which middle class taxes may be raised. Not a single middle class tax has gone up since Obama took office.

 

[BUFF8280]

Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

Teachers may not be ALLOWED to say, but they do. I live in Liberal NJ, and they do. Oh, and trust me. Conservatives are rising up because they are tired of this nonsense. (ie NJ and Virginia just elected Republican Governors, and Obama even came to new jersey 3 times to campaign for Corzine)

Oh, my bad I said 7% of all purchases, and apparently that doesnt go into the pot of what I pay out in taxes. Im sorry that I dont enjoy working my ass off and then paying out MAJORITY of my pay towards Liberal agendas.

Your dad is self employeed. Well then thats what business owners are supposed to do. Get healthcare for themselves. My parents owned business' when I was a kid and they got healthcare for themselves and their employees. Sorry your dad is looking for a hand out. Thats not the American way.

And yes, we have Politicians in Washington for us, but they are not Representing us, they are representing the lobbyists.

What the hell are you not getting about public option health care company. It's not a handout, you're paying for it, but instead of going to some fat cat's wallet it goes back to the American public. And if everyone were getting a 'handout' it wouldn't exactly be one, now would it?

Unfortunately, I think human compassion and empathy died. Seriously, there are people on the streets, and all people care about is the silly margins by which middle class taxes may be raised. Not a single middle class tax has gone up since Obama took office.

When you start paying Taxes, then you can have a REAL opinion on this. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you REALIZE the country is in Finacial Turmoil? Do you REALIZE business' are going belly up on a daily basis and people are losing their jobs?

The MIDDLE class can NOT afford this. Because the Rich will pass this along to the middle class in higher fees and such. I see it ALL day long at work. When we get hit with a new TAX business tends to go down.

And when it is GOVERNMENT run? It loses the option to be called a COMPANY. Is the USPS a Company? Is the School system a Company? Are the people who do repairs on streets a company? The people who collect your trash? No. NOT at all.

Dude, do you and your father sit in front of theTV when Obama gives a healthcare speech with a BIG ole bowl of popcorn and eat up every word he says as the truth?

 

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Do you realize that people who WORK and OWN a home get nailed for 60-70% of their wages to go towards taxes. Now, I dont care WHAT Obama says, how can a government that is in finacial turmoil pay for this without taxing us.

Your facts are off there, by a lot. Try again.


No, my facts are DEAD on. Between income tax which is 20%, Property Tax which for me is 20%, throw in Sales Tax which is 7% of every purchase, oh, lets not forget FUEL tax which is another 8%. Thats what 54% oh Im sorry I was 6% off, my bad.


OH, thats right he tosses out "We have the 1st 10 years paid for." What about the 10 years after? For those who do not know, Income tax was ORIGINALLY supposed to only be 1% for those who made 100k a year.

This won't come from taxing the middle class.

This country is built on the BACKS on the Middle class my friend. You havnt a clue what you are talking about.

For those who dont work, this sounds wonderful. But fact is if you go out and work hard and get a good job they will offer you healthcare. But Healthcare isnt a right. Remember, it was everyones RIGHT to own their own home. Now look at all the houses in foreclosure.

Just because you can't afford healthcare means you sit on your ass all day. My dad has a full time job, and he doesn't. He's careful with his money.

No offense? He needs to get a better job then. Or one that offers healthcare. There are many of them out there. I have worked since I was 15 years old. And EVERY job (Including McDonalds) offered Health Insurance.

Bottom line, this WILL be government run. And if anyone can tell me ONE government run agency that actually doesnt waste our money and cost us more in taxes I will gladly become a full blown supporter of this!! Fact is there isnt one. This government has no clue how to make things work.

If everything the government did sucked, you wouldn't be able o drive to work on roads, or get a public education, or get social security benefits. Of course you can't stand paying money to them, but it's all fine and dandy when it's reversed.

Again, all these things come from TAXES. Taxes that are killing the middle class. I pay 6,000 dollars a year in property taxes. The WASTE that goes on the school system is OUT of control. Check out the Movie called The Cartel. It is ALL about the public school system. Social Security is a nice perk right? One that I pay into EVERY week and will NEVER see by the time I retire because the government has pissed it all away. The roads? They come from tax on gasoline. NOW, if we pay 6% on every dollar that get pumped into our tanks then why is it in NJ we cant pay for new roads and such. We had to borrow the money from Washington. OH thats right, its because CORRUPT politicians robbed peter to pay paul.

Also, if this is SO good, then why wont our wonderful politicians who love jamming this down our throats sign on board to this healthcare plan? Truth be told, under this healthcare Ted Kennedy wouldnt have had his operation to prolong his life. But thats right, he wouldnt have been on this healthcare plan anyway so it doesnt really matter now does it?

I wouldn't exactly consider brain cancer a minor injury, he would've definitely had surgery. Besides, where the hell are people pulling these facts about bad care out of? It's going to be a normal insurance company, and claiming that it has bad coverage is like claiming that the tooth fairy lives in Atlantis.

I didnt say his injury was minor. I said he wouldve had to WAIT to get the surgery. By the time he got it he wouldve passed away. Also at his age, he wouldve had to wait for a decision to be made by a panel. As far as where are these "facts" coming from? Read the bill my friend. It is ALL in there. Here are a few fun facts you might not know as well.

This IS NOT a normal insurance. It is GOVERNMENT healthcare like they have in Canada. Which if it is SO good then why is Canda trying to get out of it because it is bankrupting the country.

Oh, and how will government funding be dispersed to medical schools?!? NOT by who has the top students. More like who has the most students that are minorities. More or less afirmitive action.

To wrap this all up? I cant even believe I am debating this with what a 13 year old? You really need to stop listening to your teachers and read the bill for yourself. Then again, since you are not a lawyer you probably wont understand it. Bottom line I am 35, I live in the real world. I pay bills, I pay taxes, and I know this is NOT what this country was built upon. Taxations without representation anyone?

My dad is self employed, kinda hard to get health insurance through your employer then.

No, I'm not some idiot kid who's absorbing carp teachers say. Teachers aren't even allowed to give opinions. :/ I came to my own conclusion on this. And when you calculated your tax, you just added, for instance, 7% on purchases. That doesn't mean you add 7% to the total you're being taxed, you have to calculate 7% of your expenses. And as for your comment "Taxation without representation", last time I checked, every state had senators and representatives.

Teachers may not be ALLOWED to say, but they do. I live in Liberal NJ, and they do. Oh, and trust me. Conservatives are rising up because they are tired of this nonsense. (ie NJ and Virginia just elected Republican Governors, and Obama even came to new jersey 3 times to campaign for Corzine)

Oh, my bad I said 7% of all purchases, and apparently that doesnt go into the pot of what I pay out in taxes. Im sorry that I dont enjoy working my ass off and then paying out MAJORITY of my pay towards Liberal agendas.

Your dad is self employeed. Well then thats what business owners are supposed to do. Get healthcare for themselves. My parents owned business' when I was a kid and they got healthcare for themselves and their employees. Sorry your dad is looking for a hand out. Thats not the American way.

And yes, we have Politicians in Washington for us, but they are not Representing us, they are representing the lobbyists.

What the hell are you not getting about public option health care company. It's not a handout, you're paying for it, but instead of going to some fat cat's wallet it goes back to the American public. And if everyone were getting a 'handout' it wouldn't exactly be one, now would it?

Unfortunately, I think human compassion and empathy died. Seriously, there are people on the streets, and all people care about is the silly margins by which middle class taxes may be raised. Not a single middle class tax has gone up since Obama took office.

When you start paying Taxes, then you can have a REAL opinion on this. You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you REALIZE the country is in Finacial Turmoil? Do you REALIZE business' are going belly up on a daily basis and people are losing their jobs?

The MIDDLE class can NOT afford this. Because the Rich will pass this along to the middle class in higher fees and such. I see it ALL day long at work. When we get hit with a new TAX business tends to go down.

And when it is GOVERNMENT run? It loses the option to be called a COMPANY. Is the USPS a Company? Is the School system a Company? Are the people who do repairs on streets a company? The people who collect your trash? No. NOT at all.

Dude, do you and your father sit in front of theTV when Obama gives a healthcare speech with a BIG ole bowl of popcorn and eat up every word he says as the truth?

Nah, I find it much more entertaining watching tea party protesters claim the sky is falling.

 

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tl;dr.

 

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This means more money coming out of my paycheck.... Yay!!! Damn federlists.