Feminism Discussion Thread

[MozzarellaSticks]

once again I was never told that when growing up :I
you must have lived around some sh!t adults​

This is seriously a common and well known thing. Didn't happen to you =/= doesn't happen.

 

[Jamborenium]

It happened to girls around me and it mainly came from teachers and soccer moms

oh I see, TBH I feel bad for young girls who heard adults say that to them, cause some can end up growing up to think it's okay for a guy to be a jerk to them because "oh he just likes you" and that is not okay adults need to really stop using that logic​

 

[pillow bunny]

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[radical6]

well the reason they are women's spaces is because they are for women. i think it's wrong for pre-transitioned people to use bathrooms and changerooms for the gender they're going to transition into, because the rooms are segregated based on bodies, not personalities or feelings.

um
lol
you think a trans woman should be forced to use a mans room then? even if they pass as a woman? do you understand how dangerous that is?

are you even trans? trans women are so likely to get harassed and a lot die. if you align yourself with TERFs then please get away from me. im fine with anyone else, but terfs are the one type of people i will never accept.

trans women ARE women and belong in women spaces. saying theyre not implies you dont think theyre women.

 

[Jamborenium]

This is seriously a common and well known thing. Didn't happen to you =/= doesn't happen.

yes I am quite aware of that thank you very much for your glorious input I will make sure to write it down in my notebook for future references thank you so much for telling me something that I already know, I was just referring to my own experiences and how I was taught I didn't say it doesn't happen I just said it never happened to me.​

 

[Ashtot]

This is seriously a common and well known thing. Didn't happen to you =/= doesn't happen.

I don't think they were saying that it doesn't happen, just that it didn't happen to them.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

yes I am quite aware of that thank you very much for your glorious input I will make sure to write it down in my notebook for future references thank you so much for telling me something that I already know, I was just referring to my own experiences and how I was taught I didn't say it doesn't happen I just said it never happened to me.​

I took what you said wrong, but you implied it when you said adults who said it had to be horrible adults. Sorry.

Speaking of, that's pretty damaging to say. When people are raised in a society that sees things a certain way it doesn't make them horrible. What makes hem horrible is when they refuse to learn.

 

[TarzanGirl]

What the heck are terfs? This looks like it is turning into another LBTGQT thread.

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

um
lol
you think a trans woman should be forced to use a mans room then? even if they pass as a woman? do you understand how dangerous that is?

are you even trans? trans women are so likely to get harassed and a lot die. if you align yourself with TERFs then please get away from me. im fine with anyone else, but terfs are the one type of people i will never accept.

trans women ARE women and belong in women spaces. saying theyre not implies you dont think theyre women.

As much as I disagree with them, I can see where they're coming from.
When someone traditionally thinks of bathroom's purpose, it's generally for privacy while going to the bathroom, otherwise stalls would be a lot weirder and people would be like "Sup" on the urinal next to you.

So with that in mind, when a pre-transition (if they even do) trans man enters the mens room, it could result in people doing some really disgusting things.

These are things they shouldn't do and it shouldn't limit which bathrooms people go to, but it's probably one of the reasons a lot of people have this opinion.

 

[Jamborenium]

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I took what you said wrong, but you implied it when you said adults who said it had to be horrible adults. Sorry.

Speaking of, that's pretty damaging to say. When people are raised in a society that sees things a certain way it doesn't make them horrible. What makes hem horrible is when they refuse to learn.

okay so they aren't horrible adults I should have said instead it's just bad for them to tell little girls that.
and that goes for saying that "boys don't cry"​

 

[radical6]

As much as I disagree with them, I can see where they're coming from.
When someone traditionally thinks of bathroom's purpose, it's generally for privacy while going to the bathroom, otherwise stalls would be a lot weirder and people would be like "Sup" on the urinal next to you.

So with that in mind, when a pre-transition (if they even do) trans man enters the mens room, it could result in people doing some really disgusting things.

These are things they shouldn't do and it shouldn't limit which bathrooms people go to, but it's probably one of the reasons a lot of people have this opinion.

the thing is, there has never been a case where a trans women harassed a cis woman in the bathroom. most the time its the cis women harassing the trans women.

its like the same argument for lesbians in locker rooms. should we ban lesbians from girls locker rooms bc they might do something?? no. if theyre sent to the boys locker room when theyre a girl, they will be harassed. its the same for trans women.

that thinking is so dangerous for trans women and it makes me upset its like apart of peoples feminism. that people actually think its okay to exclude trans women.

i know this persons like 13 or whatever, and dont know much about politics, but that thinking is so harmful.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

okay so they aren't horrible adults I should have said that instead it's just bad for them to tell little girls that.

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okay so they aren't horrible adults I should have said instead it's just bad for them to tell little girls that.
and that goes for saying that "boys don't cry"​

It does. I think what most people don't realize is that when you fight one, you fight the other. When people fight gender stereotypes they fight ALL the stereotypes.by deconstructing one you also deconstruct the other. It's baby steps. You can't change things perfectly overnight. You have to start somewhere at some point. Neither is right, and focusing on one helps both. They're linked problems, basically.

 

[pillow bunny]

um
lol
you think a trans woman should be forced to use a mans room then? even if they pass as a woman? do you understand how dangerous that is?

are you even trans? trans women are so likely to get harassed and a lot die. if you align yourself with TERFs then please get away from me. im fine with anyone else, but terfs are the one type of people i will never accept.

trans women ARE women and belong in women spaces. saying theyre not implies you dont think theyre women.

yeah, i don't think they're women. woman means a female person, not a person who likes stereotypically feminine things. in an ideal world, men (male people) who like things we consider feminine today would not be treated so badly that they are forced to identify as women.

objects and interests are not gendered, and behavior does not determine a person's gender. that is determined by their genitals. people of each gender should be treated the exact same because there is not such thing as a male brain and a female brain. transitioning literally reinforces gender roles.

and allowing transwomen to use women's rooms is also extremely dangerous, since you can't police it without being "transphobic".

no i am not trans. obviously people who don't think it is possible to be trans are not trans

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

the thing is, there has never been a case where a trans women harassed a cis woman in the bathroom. most the time its the cis women harassing the trans women.

its like the same argument for lesbians in locker rooms. should we ban lesbians from girls locker rooms bc they might do something?? no. if theyre sent to the boys locker room when theyre a girl, they will be harassed. its the same for trans women.

that thinking is so dangerous for trans women and it makes me upset its like apart of peoples feminism. that people actually think its okay to exclude trans women.

i know this persons like 13 or whatever, and dont know much about politics, but that thinking is so harmful.

I think you're looking at it backwards.

Look at this scenario: A trans man enters the mens bathroom. Men in said bathroom don't know/care if they're trans, what they see is a girl in the men's bathroom. Peeping ensues.

It's probably not so much for the cis people's safety as much as it is the trans person's safety, it's just sad that such a scenario is probably very likely to happen and people feel the need to impede other people's freedom based on what other people will do to wrong them.

 

[pillow bunny]

the thing is, there has never been a case where a trans women harassed a cis woman in the bathroom. most the time its the cis women harassing the trans women.

its like the same argument for lesbians in locker rooms. should we ban lesbians from girls locker rooms bc they might do something?? no. if theyre sent to the boys locker room when theyre a girl, they will be harassed. its the same for trans women.

that thinking is so dangerous for trans women and it makes me upset its like apart of peoples feminism. that people actually think its okay to exclude trans women.

i know this persons like 13 or whatever, and dont know much about politics, but that thinking is so harmful.

a male using a female bathroom is inherently harassment. if a male with a beard walks into a female bathroom, how are they supposed to know whether or not he's trans? and what if he's cis but lies?

i never said lesbians should have to use the boy's locker room. in line with what i've been saying, they should use the female locker room because they're females

if i identify as transblack can i paint my skin black and get lip surgery and go to events that were specifically made for only black people? of course not, that would be terrible and offensive. just like transwomen.

i actually do know a lot about politics, unless by "politics" you mean blindly agreeing with the popular tumblr opinions for everything. (btw you're also "like 13")

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

a male using a female bathroom is inherently harassment. if a male with a beard walks into a female bathroom, how are they supposed to know whether or not he's trans? and what if he's cis but lies?

i never said lesbians should have to use the boy's locker room. in line with what i've been saying, they should use the female locker room because they're females

if i identify as transblack can i paint my skin black and get lip surgery and go to events that were specifically made for only black people? of course not, that would be terrible and offensive. just like transwomen.

i actually do know a lot about politics, unless by "politics" you mean blindly agreeing with the popular tumblr opinions for everything. (btw you're also "like 13")

There's an astronomical difference between a legitimate medical/mental condition and painting yourself black.
Just because something has something to do with LGBTQ+ opinions doesn't automatically mean it's a tumblr thing. Ruling it out just because of that is a very bad way to go about looking at anything.

Open your mind a little, there's a lot in this world to learn.

 

[pillow bunny]

There's an astronomical difference between a legitimate medical/mental condition and painting yourself black.
Just because something has something to do with LGBTQ+ opinions doesn't automatically mean it's a tumblr thing. Ruling it out just because of that is a very bad way to go about looking at anything.

Open your mind a little, there's a lot in this world to learn.

- physical differences between races
- physical differences between genders

- no mental differences between races
- no mental differences between genders

i'm not trying to troll you or anything. i legitimately don't understand why one is evil and the other is perfectly fine. i will NOT blindly agree with you until you tell me the difference.

the gender dysphoria medical condition is basically thinking you should have x body part instead y body part. race dysphoria would be thinking you should have x feature instead of y feature.

i used to support trans people, until i "opened my eyes" and realized it was all fake. look it up. studies have shown that male and female brains have NO DIFFERENCES. i would appreciate it if you guys actually read what i'm saying instead of dismissing it as stupid, baseless bs because you disagree.

 

[piichinu]

So um
Does anyone else get annoyed when people say or act like "they're not like other girls"
It seems like some girls feel superior due to their interests and it's a bit bothersome to me

 

[That Zephyr Guy]

- physical differences between races
- physical differences between genders

- no mental differences between races
- no mental differences between genders

i'm not trying to troll you or anything. i legitimately don't understand why one is evil and the other is perfectly fine. i will NOT blindly agree with you until you tell me the difference.

the gender dysphoria medical condition is basically thinking you should have x body part instead y body part. race dysphoria would be thinking you should have x feature instead of y feature.

i used to support trans people, until i "opened my eyes" and realized it was all fake. look it up. studies have shown that male and female brains have NO DIFFERENCES. i would appreciate it if you guys actually read what i'm saying instead of dismissing it as stupid, baseless bs because you disagree.

Takes a really deep breath

Okay this is a lot to tackle so let me take this slowly.

For one, let's get this out of the way, there's no such thing as race dysphoria. That's not a thing. That's something that even people on tumblr make fun of.

Gender dysphoria, is not only a medically proven thing, it's an actual, literal issue with a person's brain that makes them have feelings of panic, dissociation, and severe depression because they don't actually recognize themselves when they look in the mirror.

It's actually incredibly insulting of you to assume that people are "faking" it, because I want you to ask yourself truly and honestly, why would someone do that?

Why would someone risk their life over something fake?
Why would someone get kicked out of their house over something fake?

So um
Does anyone else get annoyed when people say or act like "they're not like other girls"
It seems like some girls feel superior due to their interests and it's a bit bothersome to me

It always bugs me when people use others as stepping stones to make themselves look better.
Especially since saying "I'm not like other girls" implies that acting like a girl is an inherently negative trait.

 

[Ichigo.]

So um
Does anyone else get annoyed when people say or act like "they're not like other girls"
It seems like some girls feel superior due to their interests and it's a bit bothersome to me

Yesss. I've seen it multiple times on this forum and it's just so ridiculous? Special snowflake syndrome. Or when they say things like, "I like hanging out with guys better because girls cause too much drama." I was like that when I was 13. Safe to say I feel really stupid for ever saying something like that.