MozzarellaSticks
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I'm not going to fight with you.
Fat Acceptance
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LovelyLavender
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I totally agree with you Shimmer. People that do try helping are just trying to help other people enjoy their lives better. But if they don't want help, fine. But trying to help other people is a sign of caring.
Promoting unhealthiness is unacceptable.
However, you cannot tell someone's health just by looking at them (unless, I suppose, they are morbidly obese)
At my healthiest point in my life, I was "overweight" ... I was EXTREMELY active. I worked out for 2-4 hours every day, I ate healthy.
But now I am a "normal" weight yet my body can't do all the same things it could a few years ago.
So weight, alone, cannot tell you how healthy someone is.
I definitely promote keeping your judgments and opinions about others to yourself, regardless of what topic the conversation is about. Don't fat shame. Don't skinny shame. Don't slut shame. Just keep it to yourself.
And... vanity is an ugly trait. If I were walking around "Look how thin I am I'm so proud of my body, ohh look you can see my collarbone. My man loves that he can put his arms all the way around me." it would sound ridiculous.
So why is it okay to say, "I'm thick and I'm proud of my body. Ohh look at how bubbly my butt is. My man loves a little extra to hold onto?"
It isn't. Both sides of this vain coin are gross.
I guess that's my opinion on it.
However, you cannot tell someone's health just by looking at them (unless, I suppose, they are morbidly obese)
At my healthiest point in my life, I was "overweight" ... I was EXTREMELY active. I worked out for 2-4 hours every day, I ate healthy.
But now I am a "normal" weight yet my body can't do all the same things it could a few years ago.
So weight, alone, cannot tell you how healthy someone is.
I definitely promote keeping your judgments and opinions about others to yourself, regardless of what topic the conversation is about. Don't fat shame. Don't skinny shame. Don't slut shame. Just keep it to yourself.
And... vanity is an ugly trait. If I were walking around "Look how thin I am I'm so proud of my body, ohh look you can see my collarbone. My man loves that he can put his arms all the way around me." it would sound ridiculous.
So why is it okay to say, "I'm thick and I'm proud of my body. Ohh look at how bubbly my butt is. My man loves a little extra to hold onto?"
It isn't. Both sides of this vain coin are gross.
I guess that's my opinion on it.
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Like you said it's a medical condition, and while I agree with you, so is addiction and a lot of people don't associate with addicts.
I don't recall asking you to.
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Being obese and being addicted to a harmful substance aren't the same.
This is an association fallacy. Just because addiction and obesity share one quality (medical ailment) that does not mean they must share multiple qualities (social shaming).
And just because someone's BMI calls them obese that doesn't make them unhealthy. The BMI needs to take a hike and go die in the woods!
A statistician came up with the BMI, not a doctor. And it has been proven time and time and time and time again that people who have a high BMI can be extremely healthy. Extremely athletic people have to deal with higher health insurance rates because they are so muscular that it pushes their BMI over this dumb number. It's a ridiculous assumption that your height and your mass alone can tell someone how healthy you are.
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Something I'm noticing that's worth mentioning is so many people are complaining that fat people/obese people are killing themselves, etc. but I don't see you buying my groceries. You gonna pay for my gym membership? You gonna buy me running shoes? While you're at it, why don't you pay for my dietian and my fitness coach.
I haven't been reading this entire thread but my jist of it is this:
Harmful "fat pride" would be promoting an unhealthy lifestyle to others. If you try to get others to engage in unhealthy eating and lazing around or any other unhealthy lifestyle choice, that is a detriment! That is not right, in my book.
If you're large and living your life and not bothering anyone and being totally happy, then fine. There is not a thing wrong with that.
The problem, for me, arises when people push an unhealthy lifestyle onto others. It ESPECIALLY makes me sad if I see overweight parents with overweight kids eating unhealthy foods. Kids aren't able to make a choice about their weight. They also aren't able to objectively consider the effects their lifestyle may have on their health later in life. If you CHOSE the lifestyle, that's all you and nobody should fault you for it. But forcing others into it? Not okay.
Another problem is when the person who is overweight got there because of a mental instability. People do eat their feelings. Depressed people ALMOST ALWAYS have either a complete loss of appetite, or an over-eating problem.
And this isn't just a fat thing. Those "pro-anorexia" groups on the internet are awful!!! Just ... If you're choosing to eat foods that make you happy over being healthy, don't try to convince others to be unhealthy with you.
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I've literally never met anyone who has tried to push an unhealthy eating lifestyle on me. Nor have I ever done that to anyone else, being fat myself.
And it's already been discussed in this thread that poor families sometimes can only afford fast food, or junk food. Both are cheaper and more accessible to struggling families.
crystalmilktea
Senior Member
We literally just mentioned that it's costly to "be skinny" :/ (But it started from the idea of Thin Privelege, to be fair)
I haven't read every single post, but I've read most of this thread and it really looks like the majority of us are very accepting? No one has fat-shamed anyone here...
There's no way we're reading the same thread. At least, we're not perceiving it the same way. A huge amount of the posts on this thread go like this: "Be fat if you want but it's unhealthy and you'll die!" Can you imagine being a fat person and seeing that?
EDIT: Also, if you agree that it's costly to be skinny, then logically shouldn't everyone lay off fat people and stop demanding they fix their problems?
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Shimmer
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I'm sure people in this thread are referring to really obese people. The people who struggle with daily life because of their weight, not people who are just "chunky." In which case, it's true. If you are really obese, you will most likely develop health problems in the future. Whether or not you want to accept that is up to you but that fact cannot be ignored.
MozzarellaSticks
(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ ANN PERKI
But you implied it.
And once again: that. Is their. Choice. If an obese person doesn't want help, you can't force it on them.
Shimmer
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Nobody is trying to. All most people want to do is to help and offer support. If they don't want help then fine but it doesn't hurt to try.
personally, I've perceived a majority of the responses more light-heartedly, however what they have in common is the belief that being fat relies on the person's personal choices, whereas in reality, that's not always the case.
I think what everyone is trying to say - at least, if my perception serves me correctly - is that they would not judge someone for their size, nor do they encourage people of such size to feel shame for their body, but do believe that obesity is a common and important health issue that can lead to further issues, and that it's important that if someone CAN reduce these risks that they do, purely out of concern and not to pick on fat people.
Therefore, I think that these people are not being rude, but while accepting fat people, they also acknowledge that it is an issue and it shouldn't be promoted or celebrated, but acceptance of it should.
Then again, it probably is impossible to contribute to this thread without someone taking it the wrong way, and while I disagree, I can see why you'd be offended, and really hope that these comments don't make you feel bad! have a nice day c:
EDIT: this is referring to morbid obesity, being generally overweight is hardly an issue.
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crystalmilktea
Senior Member
Just curious what you would do/your opinion on people like this? What if they think they are living a normal lifestyle?
A can of black beans is 79 cents here. A bag of rice, about $3. Add a little minced garlic and some cayenne pepper. You can feed a family of four a dinner for $5-6. And have plenty of leftover rice, garlic, and spice. But it's way easier to spend $8 at the McD's dollar menu.
That's just ONE of MANY "poor people" meals I've eaten in my lifetime. I was poor as a kid, I've been poor as an adult. The whole "fat and eating unhealthily only because I'm poor" thing is false. The ONLY people who are TRULY affected by that are those in neighborhoods with no supermarkets. Ones that only have convenience stores. Urban areas. That's nowhere near proportionate to the number of people using this excuse.
And pushing an unhealthy lifestyle on others... I've had PLENTY of people try to get me to eat things I didn't want to eat just because "oh come on, it's just a slim jim" or "you could afford to gain weight any way"
So it happens. A lot.
I'm not saying you should feel ashamed at all of yourself. I never said that to you. And I never want someone to read these things I'm saying and take them personally. This thread asked my opinion on "fat acceptance" and my opinion is "I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect the lives of anyone else in a harmful way."
Just to lighten the mood in here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRoSJ1y1FSY
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My opinion is that regardless of their weight, they're still a human being. They're likely a coherent human being, meaning they have feelings and opinions. If they wanted to lose weight, they should. If they were content living their life as they were, and their health was not a significant burden on someone else (either emotionally or financially), then they could and should do as they please, whether it's healthy or not.
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We're talking about people who are classified as morbidly obese by physicians, not Body Mass Index. BMI fails to take in a lot of variables so it's not always a true determinant in defining one's fitness levels.
Anyway, I was just explaining why one person in the thread says they feel uncomfortable associating with morbidly obese indiviuals, doesn't mean I support their decision.
