I wouldn't mind there being entree fees if they would be simply posted in Nook Cranny. I mostly hang out at Airport as I like to hop on player's islands. I've been clickbaited too many times by people asking for entrance fees. I just want a separate forum where there are no entrance fees, or for it to be banned to have fees in Aiport thread. post in nook cranny please.
Entry Fees for Sahara/ Villager DIYs/ high turnip prices etc.
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Honestly, you shouldn't let other people prevent you from enjoying online with friends. Despite the very obvious greed as of late, there are still reasonable people out there.
Antonio
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I was thinking the same thing yesterday but I realized I needed to start working on building up my currency to trade.
I would love to trade in this economy but how am I supposed to do that when everything is so overpriced and I don't have enough to trade with, especially since I restarted my game.
I would love to trade in this economy but how am I supposed to do that when everything is so overpriced and I don't have enough to trade with, especially since I restarted my game.
Paperboy012305
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Another thing I'd like to point out is that I'd like to grab another Animal Crossing game (I have another switch) and use that to TT on it so I can get a chance of a high turnip price and not have to pay a penny. (Except 60$ of course)
I whole heartedly agree with you. It's really impatience that drives the prices up. We all EVENTUALLY can get any of the things that are at a high price point, but people don't want to wait which is the total opposite of what Animal Crossing is. A game about enjoying what it has to offer at it's own pace.
crystalmilktea
Senior Member
Ah I took a look too and I don't think you should be pointing them out. They specified tips are appreciated, not required and that's always fine. If someone reads it and wants to give an item instead of bells as a tip there is not problem with that!
I've been really enjoying playing online with my friends and visiting their shops! And there are ALWAYS people who let you sell turnips without an entry fee. I don't think I've paid a single time to enter (other than my general habit of leaving a tip, except when one person requested no tips) and I've sold at 500+ prices every week. It might take some patience and searching but you can always sell at someone else's island.
Yeah, I've seen too many ridiculous fee posts on Discord and here and I'm like ??? okay I agree with turnips but I'd not waste NMT just because it. I don't mind giving a small bell or gift tip for the trouble but yeah if people have greed issues I just can't.
I definitely understand some smaller fees to prevent thieves and such but honestly can we just respect and play nicely with one another?
I definitely understand some smaller fees to prevent thieves and such but honestly can we just respect and play nicely with one another?
This is the thing I was mentioning in my previous post: Animal Crossing ISN'T about capitalism. On the contrary, the game was created with the idea of sharing for the common good. Even if you didn't play with others, it was still the basic idea of the game.
On this core, AC is a socialist paradise. It wasn't until the game became popular in the west that it's new audience started to plague the game with all the capitalist ideas that are so deeply ingrained in our society. And now, the consequences can be seen: a game that was calm, relaxed, cooperative became a virtual wall street, with people charging even real money for in-game advantages.
DJStarstryker
Senior Member
But the past games were actually way more risky to let strangers in. People could chop down your trees, steal your hybrids, etc. But people were generally more generous in the past. Even when NL first came out, most people didn't charge for entry. The ones that did (generally only for extremely high turnip prices, and not everyone did) only charged a few 99k money bags (which wasn't a big deal when some of their visitors were making millions in profit).
However, NL originally came out about 8 years ago. You know what's changed since then? Microtransactions and lootboxes and DLC becoming more and more of a thing. People expect to pay more for game-related things. People have also gotten used to selling in-game items via in-game economies. So...
(In other words, I don't blame just the newbies. I think some longtime fans are probably doing it too because they see they can get away with it.)
I never dropped a name. My point was an individual asking specifically for items as a tip makes other users want to give them what they desire, and if they don't have those, people won't want to bother them since they can't provide the
I dont appreciate entry fees. Also never ask for it. And Even though i tell People its for free, they still leave me igb or nmt, and it makes me feel bad. Because i don't have a need for it. I just do it because i enjoy the company, and maybe get some friends. But i guess people are getting so used to entry fees, that they wont accept it being free :s
I would love to add you btw.
I would love to add you btw.
If you need an example of how a game can be ruined by the concept of having an economy, just look at Diablo 3.
Diablo 2 had an economy that was already plagued by many problems, but when Diablo 3 came out with it's auction house, die-hard fans of the franchise felt so disgusted that they simply stopped playing and went back to Diablo 2. I was one of them.
I thought I was the only one who thought this game should be about sharing and friendship. Seeing people charging NMT and so on just mades me sad. I have recipes and things that I thought would be fun to share only to find that isn't how it is done. My husband also plays so we do a lot of trading but it would be nice to have a few more like minded friends. I can see if someone wanted a different color say lighthouse that you can only get using NMT to reimburse if there isn't anything that costs the same to trade. Other than that I feel charging above that is not in the spirit of how I enjoy playing.
I mentioned this in the other thread that is similar to this: I 100% understand not wanting to pay an absurdly high fee, but saying "any fee at all is bad and greedy" is completely dismissive of how much time and energy hosts spend getting many people in and out of their town smoothly. They could spend the time grinding for bells and resources another way in the time it takes to do that, it's simply multi-tasking without risking people running amok because you're off in another part of the island catching expensive butterflies.
I understand it's a sense of community thing! I really do! But most people tip anyway even if it's completely optional, so why does it make that much of a difference when someone asks for a reasonably cheap fee that you're probably going to choose to tip anyway? I feel like people are kind of overreacting and saying that this is "ruining the community". Theres still plenty of people, myself and yourselves, who are willing to do it cheap/free.
I understand it's a sense of community thing! I really do! But most people tip anyway even if it's completely optional, so why does it make that much of a difference when someone asks for a reasonably cheap fee that you're probably going to choose to tip anyway? I feel like people are kind of overreacting and saying that this is "ruining the community". Theres still plenty of people, myself and yourselves, who are willing to do it cheap/free.
Most of us are discussing the recent trend of high tips/fees being needed. Most, if not all of us, are more than happy to pay reasonable fees, or provide a reasonable tip.
mayortiffany
Senior Member
It's perfectly fair for people to ask for something in exchange for their time, and for the risk they take to open their island for a stranger. It's also perfectly fair for people to want to look for no-fee islands if that is what they prefer, but there will of course be less of them available as it has become common to ask for something in return for your time.
To be honest, it's not a problem to me that many members in the community are asking for some kind of entrance fee. I've said this in another similar thread to this, but it's really not unreasonable to request something for your time, particularly for something popular like managing high turnip prices or a Celeste recipe or something of the sort. With something like high turnip prices, you can get hundreds of comments in seconds. In this case, asking for an entrance fee can reduce the number of interested applicants so you aren't as swamped and guarantee you a profit, and also make the process faster for buyers since they don't have to wait as long. I've paid fees as a buyer so that I don't have to wait hours in a queue for a high price!
My only warning is that you should really exercise caution when going to places that ask for fees ahead of purchase, as there is a chance that they could take the payment and run. I prefer islands where they're fine with me either doing half/half (half of payment ahead of time, half after) or paying completely at the end. It's a shame that there isn't really a robust reputation system on the Reddit or Discord.
There are so many people playing the game that if you look long enough, there will be a deal that matches what you're willing to pay.
To be honest, it's not a problem to me that many members in the community are asking for some kind of entrance fee. I've said this in another similar thread to this, but it's really not unreasonable to request something for your time, particularly for something popular like managing high turnip prices or a Celeste recipe or something of the sort. With something like high turnip prices, you can get hundreds of comments in seconds. In this case, asking for an entrance fee can reduce the number of interested applicants so you aren't as swamped and guarantee you a profit, and also make the process faster for buyers since they don't have to wait as long. I've paid fees as a buyer so that I don't have to wait hours in a queue for a high price!
My only warning is that you should really exercise caution when going to places that ask for fees ahead of purchase, as there is a chance that they could take the payment and run. I prefer islands where they're fine with me either doing half/half (half of payment ahead of time, half after) or paying completely at the end. It's a shame that there isn't really a robust reputation system on the Reddit or Discord.
There are so many people playing the game that if you look long enough, there will be a deal that matches what you're willing to pay.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
I think etiquette is something that should be free and kind of unsaid. If you think you can go into a persons town and shake money trees or pick flowers without asking, act destructive then that’s a different story. Hence why there is a feedback system too.
But paying so I can come in to use a feature of this game I feel breaches a different level. I like the term tip, because it refers to a smaller payment for using a service, and is paid in the currency someone is getting
I would understand if they were asking for money (so they could keep buying rugs to get tickets for mystery items from Saharah), but why DIYs? Those would make more sense for Celeste, seeing as she hands you a new one each day.
I'm fine with tips or entry fees, as long as they're not overly exaggerated. It makes sense for uncommon or rare DIYs and high turnip prices, (especially if it'll attract more than 10 people) but even then there's a limit.
Unfortunately, tips have become synonymous with entry/service fees just as it tends to happen in the real world (either for lack of a better word or just wanting to paint a pretty picture to customers). I would assume that, for most people, it's hard not to use the word as many of the other threads or listings elsewhere tend to use it as well. I've only hosted with an entry fee once, but I still ended up using the wrong word since a lot of people have been throwing it around. If I do ever host again under those kinds of circumstances, I'll make sure to use the proper word this time around.
I'm fine with tips or entry fees, as long as they're not overly exaggerated. It makes sense for uncommon or rare DIYs and high turnip prices, (especially if it'll attract more than 10 people) but even then there's a limit.
Unfortunately, tips have become synonymous with entry/service fees just as it tends to happen in the real world (either for lack of a better word or just wanting to paint a pretty picture to customers). I would assume that, for most people, it's hard not to use the word as many of the other threads or listings elsewhere tend to use it as well. I've only hosted with an entry fee once, but I still ended up using the wrong word since a lot of people have been throwing it around. If I do ever host again under those kinds of circumstances, I'll make sure to use the proper word this time around.
1-2 99k bags is the usual turnip fee in nh as well, it's also generally accepted as the reasonable one.
past games may have been more risky but there's still risk. i've already seen instances in nh where users have picked flowers (which isn't damaging sure, but it is disrespectful) without asking or taken turnips/items off the ground or bought limited items at nooks, so the fact that there's still a risk factor is enough to warrant wanting compensation imo. new leaf also pretty much only had turnip prices to offer, where new horizons has celeste, sahara, and crafting villagers.
there's also plenty of people who offer trips for free. if you don't wanna pay someone you don't have to - you don't need that celeste diy or sahara wallpaper right away, they're around so often you're bound to get 'em at some point.
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they don't know if you're going to shake their trees or not, leaving you a bad rating isn't gonna get their stuff back. a fee at least lets them seek out what they lost if anything goes wrong.
another thing to keep in mind is these people are usually spending hours letting people in, they're not quick onestops like what usually happens in our discord.
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