Do you have a faith?

[Slickyrider]

Personally, I think this topic should have never been made. Everyone has different life styles that shape their beliefs. Different family histories, different stories different ancestors. Bottom-line is that everyone thinks different things about this topic. Will everyone ever agree? Probably not.

Different cultures, different lands of birth.

We are contesting the differences of the religions, as well as the timeless debate between theists and atheists.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Personally, I think this topic should have never been made. Everyone has different life styles that shape their beliefs. Different family histories, different stories different ancestors. Bottom-line is that everyone thinks different things about this topic. Will everyone ever agree? Probably not.

Different cultures, different lands of birth.

We are contesting the differences of the religions, as well as the timeless debate between theists and atheists.

Originally, I never plannedfor this to be a topic, only a poll. I just forgot to lock it.

 

[KoolKitteh]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

I agree!

God is enerrgy that roams around good people who do good things, and is a spirit that watches us, whether we do good or bad he is watching down at us, like Santa, but better

 

[Bacon Boy]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

I agree!

God is enerrgy that roams around good people who do good things, and is a spirit that watches us, whether we do good or bad he is watching down at us, like Santa, but better

You're kind of contradicting yourself, but I see what you're saying.

 

[[Nook]]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

I agree!

God is enerrgy that roams around good people who do good things, and is a spirit that watches us, whether we do good or bad he is watching down at us, like Santa, but better

He doesn't even need spy elves!

 

[KoolKitteh]

,Nov 28 2010, 05:22:24 PM]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

I agree!

God is enerrgy that roams around good people who do good things, and is a spirit that watches us, whether we do good or bad he is watching down at us, like Santa, but better

He doesn't even need spy elves!

Course he does, Preachers, Rabbies, Ned Flanders! Think about it {Nooky}! And yes I called you {Nooky}

 

[Slickyrider]

Someone once made the comment that God can do anything, but it was argued that God could do evil. The other one went on to say this is not true. Evil, like darkness and cold, is a non thing. It is the absence of good. Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness. God can do any thing, non things, which don't technically exist, cannot be performed by God. Non things cannot be created, darkness cannot be created, cold cannot be created. They are merely the absences of things.

Don't really know who I was talking to, but someone's post reminded me of this.

This is something for Atheists to think about. Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good. God can do, God cannot undo.

Evil to me seems palpable. To kill is an act, it is a physical thing. To cheat on your wife is not the lack of not cheating... that just gets filled with double negatives.

There is a grey area that isn't good or evil, there is most certainly a neutrality that most things are. Good and evil cannot be done by things without the ability to differentiate between the two. I think viewing the world in black and white is a dangerous thing, because almost no act is entirely good or evil. Good is often done for selfish reason as well as the non selfish, evil can be done out of desperation to do good for someone.

Human beings do either good or evil, just because they cannot necessarily demarcate the two does not mean they are doing neither. Certainly, there is a neutrality to the two. Nothing is purely good or evil.

Bacon Boy: You're right. We exist in one galaxy, under our laws. God may have the ability to lift the Earth, God may not. There are almost certainly other dimensions that have completely different natural laws.

Moonlight: A claim is something that stands alone, without evidence or reasoning. That is basic science, my boy.

Josh: That is the ine definite statement which can be said. No religion, or singular belief, is absolutely true. This includes atheism.

 

[[Nook]]

,Nov 28 2010, 05:22:24 PM]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

I agree!

God is enerrgy that roams around good people who do good things, and is a spirit that watches us, whether we do good or bad he is watching down at us, like Santa, but better

He doesn't even need spy elves!

Course he does, Preachers, Rabbies, Ned Flanders! Think about it {Nooky}!

Don't forget religious freaks who shove religion down other people's throats!

That reminds me, what do I want Santa to give me this year?
I want to know the true religion! Nah, maybe a video game.

 

[Sporge27]

Someone once made the comment that God can do anything, but it was argued that God could do evil. The other one went on to say this is not true. Evil, like darkness and cold, is a non thing. It is the absence of good. Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness. God can do any thing, non things, which don't technically exist, cannot be performed by God. Non things cannot be created, darkness cannot be created, cold cannot be created. They are merely the absences of things.

Don't really know who I was talking to, but someone's post reminded me of this.

This is something for Atheists to think about. Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good. God can do, God cannot undo.

Evil to me seems palpable. To kill is an act, it is a physical thing. To cheat on your wife is not the lack of not cheating... that just gets filled with double negatives.

There is a grey area that isn't good or evil, there is most certainly a neutrality that most things are. Good and evil cannot be done by things without the ability to differentiate between the two. I think viewing the world in black and white is a dangerous thing, because almost no act is entirely good or evil. Good is often done for selfish reason as well as the non selfish, evil can be done out of desperation to do good for someone.

Human beings do either good or evil, just because they cannot necessarily demarcate the two does not mean they are doing neither. Certainly, there is a neutrality to the two. Nothing is purely good or evil.

I am not referring to humans rather something like a lightening bolt killing someone is not evil, nor is the storm that made it. It was just an unfortunate event. In the same regard the tree that grows fruit knows not that it provides nourishment for many.

Anything with a consciousness can do good and evil, things that lack it though I think do neither, they simply are.

 

[Slickyrider]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepthing

Evil to me seems palpable. To kill is an act, it is a physical thing. To cheat on your wife is not the lack of not cheating... that just gets filled with double negatives.

There is a grey area that isn't good or evil, there is most certainly a neutrality that most things are. Good and evil cannot be done by things without the ability to differentiate between the two. I think viewing the world in black and white is a dangerous thing, because almost no act is entirely good or evil. Good is often done for selfish reason as well as the non selfish, evil can be done out of desperation to do good for someone.

Human beings do either good or evil, just because they cannot necessarily demarcate the two does not mean they are doing neither. Certainly, there is a neutrality to the two. Nothing is purely good or evil.

I am not referring to humans rather something like a lightening bolt killing someone is not evil, nor is the storm that made it. It was just an unfortunate event. In the same regard the tree that grows fruit knows not that it provides nourishment for many.

Anything with a consciousness can do good and evil, things that lack it though I think do neither, they simply are.

My point is: human beings may not necessarily know whether they are doing good or evil, but they are not doing neither. Those without a conscience certainly cannot discern betwen the two.

Also, this thread deserves to be left alone. Don't lock it, but let it become inactive. Whenever someone wants to strike up the discussion again, this will be here, laying dormant.

 

[[Nook]]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepthing

Human beings do either good or evil, just because they cannot necessarily demarcate the two does not mean they are doing neither. Certainly, there is a neutrality to the two. Nothing is purely good or evil.

I am not referring to humans rather something like a lightening bolt killing someone is not evil, nor is the storm that made it. It was just an unfortunate event. In the same regard the tree that grows fruit knows not that it provides nourishment for many.

Anything with a consciousness can do good and evil, things that lack it though I think do neither, they simply are.

My point is: human beings may not necessarily know whether they are doing good or evil, but they are not doing neither. Those without a conscience certainly cannot discern betwen the two.

Also, this thread deserves to be left alone. Don't lock it, but let it become inactive. Whenever someone wants to strike up the discussion again, this will be here, laying dormant.

What's the point of locking it, anyway?

 

[moonlight33]

Why won't god heal amputees?

 

[Jake]

I believe in faith and fate?

 

[D1llon]

Is there an argument yet? I want in....

 

[[Nook]]

Is there an argument yet? I want in....

You missed it.

And what's the point of arguing over religion if you don't get anything out of it?
What is true will be revealed to us one day, anyway.

 

[moonlight33]

I think we should all convert to the one true faith, Pastafarian.

 

[Sporge27]

moonlight you are just provoking now. Please stop.

 

[Bacon Boy]

moonlight you are just provoking now. Please stop.

Wasn't he doing that beforehand?

 

[Bulerias]

No. Faith is blind. I, however, assume that there is a higher power out there. It's an assumption based on reason -- considering that we do not know everything there is to know, there is always a chance that a higher power exists. I do not have faith, nor do I "believe". I simply accept that we do not know, and, more than likely, cannot ever know.

More specifically, I am a panentheist. I believe that everything around us is God (i.e., nature). What separates me from panetheists, however, is the acceptance of the possibility of there being something else. This "something" exists beyond nature and thus beyond our present-day understanding. Whether this something is a higher power or simply a set of rules we are all bound by, I don't know. And frankly, I don't care.

The past couple of years have been difficult for me, as far as religion/faith/spirituality. Panentheism is the conclusion I came to, and it seems like the most logical "faith" of all.

 

[Bulerias]

Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness.

Absolutely not. If one assumes that man is God's creation, then anything that man creates is likewise. Thus, evil is God's creation just like everything else. We are all God's children and so is the Devil, who allegorically encompasses everything that contradicts mankind's flimsy definition of "goodness".