Do you believe we should respect and have rights for insects and arachnids?

[Danielkang2]

Um, I said nothing about sentience

 

[Corrie]

I definitely do, unless it is trying to bite me. Then it is dead.

 

[Noah2000]

What is this like for real guys

 

[Alienfish]

Lol, nope. Sure some bugs and crap can look nice but considering how they bite around and can be deadly not really.

 

[Mr. Cat]

I have this theory that bugs feel like they live longer than they do because they're smaller and have a lot more to process. That would make time seem slower. I mean, I think every life is important. Everything is all about perception. But living isn't the most important thing in the world either. I choose not to kill things, but if somebody else wants to, I'm not going to stop them. It would, however, probably make me respect the person much less if they're doing it without reason.

 

[Sig]

you have to take into consideration those who have blood sugar issues and literally have to eat meat every few hours or they get a sugar crash/sick like myself. I've tried soy, beans, dairy, and tons of substitutes but it always ends up with me getting a sugar crash and having to go back to meats.

hey a type 1 diabetic here : meat actually has no glucose or anything thatd raise your sugar, youre just trying to do it because it tastes good lmao. get glucose tablets if you have low sugars often. i've been a vegetarian/vegan my whole life, by the way

 

[nami26]

Wow insects having rights? Incredible. Dead bugs are good bugs. Spiders are only good for killing flies.

Whats next??? Rights for Rocks????

 

[Fleshy]

Whats next??? Rights for Rocks????

Yes obviously, because inanimate objects are completely comparable to living, breathing, things.

 

[Tensu]

Wow insects having rights? Incredible. Dead bugs are good bugs. Spiders are only good for killing flies.

Whats next??? Rights for Rocks????

Hahahaha no.

I personally find this thread unrealistic, but it matters to some people.

 

[yamashta]

Ceasing to exist is not the same thing as killing. It's an open-ended term. It could mean killing, somehow relocating, maybe even magically disappearing altogether.

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hey a type 1 diabetic here : meat actually has no glucose or anything thatd raise your sugar, youre just trying to do it because it tastes good lmao. get glucose tablets if you have low sugars often. i've been a vegetarian/vegan my whole life, by the way

And which one are you? Both are very different. Vegetarians will eat some animal products, and some vegetarians even push it and will eat fish.

Vegans cut out everything. Even inedible substances like silk and wool, because it originated from another creature.

Vegans are unnatural and morally challenged and live a very privileged lifestyle. They do not eat honey, despite it being helpful to a hive to harvest it. They do not eat eggs, even though they are unfertilized and contain no living creature inside. They do not wear silk because it's harvested from pupated moths that must be killed via boiling to properly remove the silk in one piece. They do not wear wool despite it being helpful to shear sheep, as they can become uncomfortable and overheated with too dense a coat.

Yet they'll eat the very foods of the animals they're 'saving', despite them taking their food source. They'll eat bizarre chemicals as long as it didn't originate from an animal.

Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? There's a difference.

 

[Fleshy]

And which one are you? Both are very different. Vegetarians will eat some animal products, and some vegetarians even push it and will eat fish.

Vegans cut out everything. Even inedible substances like silk and wool, because it originated from another creature.

Vegans are unnatural and morally challenged and live a very privileged lifestyle. They do not eat honey, despite it being helpful to a hive to harvest it. They do not eat eggs, even though they are unfertilized and contain no living creature inside. They do not wear silk because it's harvested from pupated moths that must be killed via boiling to properly remove the silk in one piece. They do not wear wool despite it being helpful to shear sheep, as they can become uncomfortable and overheated with too dense a coat.

Yet they'll eat the very foods of the animals they're 'saving', despite them taking their food source. They'll eat bizarre chemicals as long as it didn't originate from an animal.

Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? There's a difference.

How does not consuming animals or animal products make someone morally challenged, Not wanting to cause unnecessary harm to animals is now immoral?

Can you also please explain how vegans live a privileged lifestyle? I understand that being able to choose the food you eat is a privilege, but it is one available to the majority of people in developed countries, at least. If you mean by wealth, it is not at all true, I am by no means 'privileged' based on wealth, my family is below the poverty line and I have been homeless in the past. Some of the cheapest foods available are vegan; beans, rices, pasta, bread, and so on. I understand not everyone can be vegan, and I do not at ll claim that it is something that everyone can be, I myself am vegan, but I don't expect everyone to be. I do not live a privileged lifestyle, no more so than anyone else in my position who is not vegan, simply being vegan does not mean that I live a privileged lifestyle, you seem to have a very skewed view on what veganism actually is.

I can understand where you get the "unnatural" from, considering humans have been eating animals and their products for many, many years. However, I consider simply avoiding some foods for ethical reasons to be much more natural than the meat and dairy industries in recent years. Cows are often fed hormones, it is debated that the growth hormones fed to cows are having a negative impact on the humans consuming the beef, is that more natural than just avoiding eating meat and dairy? Never mind the conditions the majority of animals used for meat and dairy are kept in, is that natural? Yes eating meat and dairy products might have been "natural" many years ago, when animals would be consumed after death and weren't kept in conditions like they are now. I don't know about you, but I find this treatment of animals highly unnatural.

Spoiler: is this natural? (maybe a little graphic)

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I do not think it is, and if not wanting to be associated with this makes me unnatural and morally challenged, well so be it.

Yes not all animal farming is like this, but a vast majority of it is.

Harvesting honey is helpful, could you please elaborate? The way commercial honey is farmed is actually really rather harmful to bee populations. Bees produce honey for a reason, and that reason isn't human consumption. I will agree that it is virtually harmless to bees to harvest a small portion of honey as they usually produce a little excess, however, that isn't how it is done. We do not take that little excess honey, we take it all, or the majority of their honey, how is that at all beneficial? Oh yeah, boiling pupated moths, so humane, so natural.

Yes most sheep do need to be sheared but if we stopped breeding sheep specifically to harvest the wool then they wouldn't have such dense coats, and they wouldn't need to be sheared. Humans have bred sheep in a way that makes shearing necessary for our own greed. I do not wear wool because I do not want to support that.

Eggs? Do you know anything at all about egg production? Yes they are non-fertilised and do not contain a living thing, but that does not at all make it humane, see above spoiler for photos of chickens in the egg industry. I could insert or link videos of how male chicks in the egg industry are routinely ground up and gassed, but I'll refrain, it's really pretty easy to find said videos though. The culling of male chicks is not at all unusual either, Germany being the only country to ban "shredding" of male chicks. Is that not a little more "morally challenged" than being vegan? Also, eggs are literally chickens menstrual waste, what is wrong with not wanting to eat that? (Actually I'll go ahead and post this, since I'm morally challenged anyway.)

Vegans take animals food source? Honestly this "argument" is so extremely absurd, it literally makes me laugh. Do you have any idea the amount of food that is fed to livestock animals? I assume you don't, because If you did, you would know that the amount of food fed to animals could quite easily feed many, many people. "If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," It takes up to 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of meat. So technically, it is people who eat meat and dairy that are consuming the majority of the animals food source, not vegans. Meat eaters also eat the same "bizarre chemicals" that vegans eat, so that comment is rather odd? I'm also not vegan for health reasons, so I really don't care about the "bizarre chemicals" that I consume. You also seem rather quick to generalise all vegans.


I understand that you are against veganism, and that's fine, do what you want to do. I don't have anything at all against people who aren't vegan and sorry for being the typical Preachy Vegan, but I really don't appreciate being called "unnatural" and "morally challenged" because I refrain from using or consuming animal products, specially when you seem rather uneducated on the matter.

 

[SilkSpectre]

I don't think they are complex enough creatures to have feelings or that much worth. I'm all for being considerate for other living things ofc. Pests are destructive to humanity. Sorry but I feel nothing for anything carrying disease or lice infesting school children.

I have a soft spot for spiders though. Tarantulas deserve much love.<3

 

[Reindeer]

Also, eggs are literally chickens menstrual waste, what is wrong with not wanting to eat that?

This is the third time I've seen you say this, and I seriously wonder how you're gullible enough to believe it. Birds don't have a menstrual cycle, that is something exclusive to primates and bats.

 

[Fleshy]

This is the third time I've seen you say this, and I seriously wonder how you're gullible enough to believe it. Birds don't have a menstrual cycle, that is something exclusive to primates and bats.

I am aware that hens do not have a menstrual cycle. In a human menstrual cycle, non fertilised eggs and internal lining are expelled, hens also expel non fertilised eggs. It isn't identical and isn't "literally a chickens menstrual waste" as they don't menstrate, however it is similar and I find the comparison valid.

Non fertilised eggs from the ovaries are released. It's not the same and I do know that, I should have worded it better.

 

[Lightspring]

The only reason why I think that bugs should have rights is because honeybees, for example, help the environment, like pollinating crops and flowers. Other than that, I don't care if a roach creeps up into my room, I'm grabbing a shoe and a napkin.

 

[Sig]

And which one are you? Both are very different. Vegetarians will eat some animal products, and some vegetarians even push it and will eat fish.

Vegans cut out everything. Even inedible substances like silk and wool, because it originated from another creature.

Vegans are unnatural and morally challenged and live a very privileged lifestyle. They do not eat honey, despite it being helpful to a hive to harvest it. They do not eat eggs, even though they are unfertilized and contain no living creature inside. They do not wear silk because it's harvested from pupated moths that must be killed via boiling to properly remove the silk in one piece. They do not wear wool despite it being helpful to shear sheep, as they can become uncomfortable and overheated with too dense a coat.

Yet they'll eat the very foods of the animals they're 'saving', despite them taking their food source. They'll eat bizarre chemicals as long as it didn't originate from an animal.

Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? There's a difference.

thanks for TOTALLY avoiding the whole point of my post, haha!!

 

[Tensu]

I really don't see the problem with being vegan or vegetarian. I understand what they do and support them. No one should be criticized on what they eat. We should all respect each other. I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but I admire and support those who are.This thread is about bugs, and I don't really know why this has to spiral out of control xD

 

[himeki]

yes omg???? They're animals too and they should get the same respect uwu I always rescue spiders

 

[visibleghost]

is the discussion still abt bug rights or what is going on

 

[oath2order]

is the discussion still abt bug rights or what is going on

yes, it amazingly still is