Do you believe we should respect and have rights for insects and arachnids?

[Jared:3]

The way I see it is that we kill plants for a reason (food, overgrown, etc.) I'm fine with eating plants, despite the fact that it's technically a dead living thing as the other option would be to eat animals and animal products, so it's less harmful in the end. If someone was to just go around chopping random trees down because they "don't like them" or because "there's loads of them and they don't have feelings so ?\_(ツ)_/?" I would personally find that morally wrong too

Also, insects have a brain and nervous system, plants do not.



My point is that in my opinion, feelings =/= worth.

Rocks are not alive. Minerals are not living things.

Ok but we need plants to live, there are plenty of other options to have a meal than grass? And it doesn't matter if an insect has a brain or not, plants are much more important than bugs

 

[Gregriii]

Ok but we need plants to live, there are plenty of other options to have a meal than grass? And it doesn't matter if an insect has a brain or not, plants are much more important than bugs

not really??

Like literally the only things we can consume are either plants or animals or food that comes from them such as milk or honey

so at the end to live we need to kill

...sad

 

[Jared:3]

not really??

Like literally the only things we can consume are either plants or animals or food that comes from them such as milk or honey

so at the end to live we need to kill

...sad

Yes, but how is eating honey from a bee killing it? I'm just saying eating grass wouldn't be an option for me, it helps us, the more we kill it we kill ourselves because microorganisms keep us alive

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Actually I think I meant trees so I might be wrong ~.~

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And many animals eat grass to live, in which we kill so we can live, so yes grass is very important as we humans need protein

 

[Fleshy]

Ok but we need plants to live, there are plenty of other options to have a meal than grass? And it doesn't matter if an insect has a brain or not, plants are much more important than bugs

I don't really completely understand what you're saying here but yes, we need plants to live, especially trees but there's a massive difference between growing plants for food and randomly chopping down trees for no reason. Plant agriculture (as a whole, because there is problems) is much less harmful than animal agriculture, and what I mean by that is that you're not always "killing" plants to get your food, plus the food used to feed livestock animals could practically feed everyone in the world, so if you're saying that's a better option than eating plants, I think you're wrong as that actually "kills" more plants. I don't know what you mean by the grass part?

It matters to me personally if they have a brain or not, as killing something with a brain and nervous system is morally wrong to me. So now you can kill things based on their importance? If that was the case I would have been killed long ago. I'm not denying that plants are important and I never did?

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And many animals eat grass to live, in which we kill so we can live, so yes grass is very important as we humans need protein

It's not necessary to kill animals for us to live?

 

[Jared:3]

I don't really completely understand what you're saying here but yes, we need plants to live, especially trees but there's a massive difference between growing plants for food and randomly chopping down trees for no reason. Plant agriculture (as a whole, because there is problems) is much less harmful than animal agriculture, and what I mean by that is that you're not always "killing" plants to get your food, plus the food used to feed livestock animals could practically feed everyone in the world, so if you're saying that's a better option than eating plants, I think you're wrong as that actually "kills" more plants. I don't know what you mean by the grass part?

It matters to me personally if they have a brain or not, as killing something with a brain and nervous system is morally wrong to me. So now you can kill things based on their importance? If that was the case I would have been killed long ago. I'm not denying that plants are important and I never did?

Ok I actually mistakened grass for trees, so I mean trees, but humans don't really do anything they don't balance the food chain or do really anything IMO we shouldn't really be here as we take up space and just destroy animal homes, I never said you were denying plants were important did I say that?

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I don't really completely understand what you're saying here but yes, we need plants to live, especially trees but there's a massive difference between growing plants for food and randomly chopping down trees for no reason. Plant agriculture (as a whole, because there is problems) is much less harmful than animal agriculture, and what I mean by that is that you're not always "killing" plants to get your food, plus the food used to feed livestock animals could practically feed everyone in the world, so if you're saying that's a better option than eating plants, I think you're wrong as that actually "kills" more plants. I don't know what you mean by the grass part?

It matters to me personally if they have a brain or not, as killing something with a brain and nervous system is morally wrong to me. So now you can kill things based on their importance? If that was the case I would have been killed long ago. I'm not denying that plants are important and I never did?

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It's not necessary to kill animals for us to live?

Yes it's where do we get meat from? If everyone was feeding on grass I wouldn't see one single fat person

 

[Fleshy]

Ok I actually mistakened grass for trees, so I mean trees, but humans don't really do anything they don't balance the food chain or do really anything IMO we shouldn't really be here as we take up space and just destroy animal homes, I never said you were denying plants were important did I say that?

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Yes it's where do we get meat from? If everyone was feeding on grass I wouldn't see one single fat person

Okay, that makes more sense then. No you didn't say that, but I just thought you implied it by mentioning it in reply to me.

There's more food than just meat and grass? Humans don't eat grass? Humans don't need to eat meat to survive, which is what you implied when you said "which we kill so we can live" but we don't have to, I don't eat meat or dairy products, but I also don't eat grass. Anyway I guess this is kind of off topic as it's not abut insects,

 

[Jared:3]

Really tbh everything we eat essentially comes from animals we kill, we cannot live on fruits and grass, as we don't get enough energy from them, and we need meat in our diets, that's how it has always been, and it will stay that way

 

[Gregriii]

Okay, that makes more sense then. No you didn't say that, but I just thought you implied it by mentioning it in reply to me.

There's more food than just meat and grass? Humans don't eat grass? Humans don't need to eat meat to survive, which is what you implied when you said "which we kill so we can live" but we don't have to, I don't eat meat or dairy products, but I also don't eat grass. Anyway I guess this is kind of off topic as it's not abut insects,

I think he meant plants in general when saying grass

 

[Jared:3]

Okay, that makes more sense then. No you didn't say that, but I just thought you implied it by mentioning it in reply to me.

There's more food than just meat and grass? Humans don't eat grass? Humans don't need to eat meat to survive, which is what you implied when you said "which we kill so we can live" but we don't have to, I don't eat meat or dairy products, but I also don't eat grass. Anyway I guess this is kind of off topic as it's not abut insects,

Yeah sorry I understand your point, but we would be much skinnier, as much of the foods we eat comes from meat and we need it to stay I wouldn't say healthy but healthier

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I think he meant plants in general when saying grass

This is true I meant all plants not just grass

 

[Fleshy]

Really tbh everything we eat essentially comes from animals we kill, we cannot live on fruits and grass, as we don't get enough energy from them, and we need meat in our diets, that's how it has always been, and it will stay that way

This is not true? You can live without animal products. If not I, and many other people, would be dead. I haven't had meat in my diet for 13 years, and I'm completely healthy. It is possible to get enough energy without eating animals or animal products, vegans don't only eat grass and fruits, there's actually so much we can eat lmao and also i'm not "skinny". There's plenty vegans who are not thin, not all fat comes from animals..

 

[oath2order]

I recently read that fruit flies might have feelings .-.

I think they should get a few rights like us.

• Right to life
• Freedom from torture
• Right to liberty & security

How the hell do you enforce right to security and liberty lmao what you trap a fly in a jar what the hell is it going to do, press charges?

And there's a ****ton of Humans too lol.
Edit: I care. c;

Lol mate the ratio of insects to humans in 200 million to one, the insect population, sans bees, is fine.

ahahhaahah speciesism

you will be sad if a random old dog dies but you will be happy if a bee dies even though bees do important things that helps us and the world rather than barking and playing with balls

Wow way to ignore all the good that dogs do.

Also, I'm fairly certain most the bees that people are happy about dying are not the honeybees we need.

well we kill plants and plants dont have feelings

you don't know that !!1111

 

[Jared:3]

This is not true? You can live without animal products. If not I, and many other people, would be dead. I haven't had meat in my diet for 13 years, and I'm completely healthy. It is possible to get enough energy without eating animals or animal products, vegans don't only eat grass and fruits, there's actually so much we can eat lmao

Actually I meant all plants not literally grass, and I'm not saying you wouldn't be healthy but it certainly is a benefit to us, but you need lots of fruit and vegetables to make a full meal

 

[oath2order]

For real though, this is a bunch of first-world, white person nonsense. "Do insects have feelings" Like who cares if insects have feelings, we can't even treat people who are slightly darker than us like people why should we care about whether or not some insect has feelings.

 

[Jared:3]

For real though, this is a bunch of first-world, white person nonsense. "Do insects have feelings" Like who cares if insects have feelings, we can't even treat people who are slightly darker than us like people why should we care about whether or not some insect has feelings.

I'm totally agreeing with you but people insist it's important

 

[boujee]

Wow
Never knew a topic about bugs can cause such debate. I mean any other topic we create on here ends up causing a debate but about bugs? Icing on the cake.

I heard of people saying not to kill spiders for they kill other insects to keep from overpopulating your house. I don't kill them for they're helping me and the situation can be vice Versa(bugs for spiders). Does the human role of killing insects also apply for spiders or any other insect that kills other insects? Even if they have "feelings" do they consider the life of the other insect? Same can apply to mammals that kill other animals, etc. I'm pretty sure the "life over life" is subtly applied here.

Yes bugs can be beneficial to this planet, same as harmful(carrying diseases, etc)
Humans can be beneficial but also harmful.
Same goes with animals coexisting a harmful/beneficial side.

I know that everyone here likes being progressive and sharing point of views and what not but you really have to be honest when it comes to topics like these. Saving a bug in plane site, sure. Those ants that you step on, not without thought because you wouldn't know that they're scattering around unless your face is glued on the ground. You can't really try to pinpoint a woo-sai moment when you only care about it in the moment and not entirely.

 

[moonford]

For real though, this is a bunch of first-world, white person nonsense. "Do insects have feelings" Like who cares if insects have feelings, we can't even treat people who are slightly darker than us like people why should we care about whether or not some insect has feelings.

"White person nonsense"

 

[oath2order]

"White person nonsense"

It illustrates my point that we can't treat slightly darker people as people.

 

[Fleshy]

I'm totally agreeing with you but people insist it's important

I don't actually think many people do think it's important, I don't really, specially considering the state of the world in other aspects, as oath mentioned, but it's a discussion nonetheless. People discuss and care about non important stuff all the time

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"White person nonsense"

true though, it is

 

[moonford]

It illustrates my point that we can't treat slightly darker people as people.

Why are you bringing race into this?
This is what I care about "For real though, this is a bunch of first-world, white person nonsense. "Do insects have feelings" Like who cares if insects have feelings" Not all white people are a like.

 

[boujee]

I think this will be good time to post this: