Are you a feminist?

[seliph]

And testosterone, among other natural things men tend to naturally have more of thanks to their nuts.

The average man is stronger than the average woman. That's just the result of having different parts. Sure, there's going to be weaker guys out there and there are women who could crush the average man, but somebody like Ronda Rousey isn't the 'average' woman.

And looking at a few records, Olympic male weight lifters are/were getting totals between 305kg-472kg. Women are between 212kg-333kg.
Source

These people train specifically to do this stuff and set out to be the best at it, so I doubt social expectations and getting a Barbie for their 12 birthday is accountable for that higher end 139kg difference.

Oh yeah I forgot about that ****

I just read his post as yet another MEN ARE ALWAYS THE STRONK GRRRR WOMEN ARE WEAK WOMEN SHOULD DO DISHES even though like you said Ronda could level the floor with all of us

 

[Brackets]

Psychologically there are also many differences. Men are generally more logical while women are generally more emotional. Women are better multitaskers than men are. There are more differences, which you can find here.
Bottom line is: biologically we are different, so people don't have equal chances. Men and women both miss out on opportunities that the other sex does get.

I agree that there are obviously physical differences, but not so sure about the psychological ones. Like, is there actually proof that men are more 'logical' - and how do you even quantify that? For example, in the UK at least, women tend to do better in standardised exams than men in the 'logical' subjects, such as maths and science. So surely from that evidence you could say women are more logical?

And can you prove that women are more 'emotional'? If so, then wouldn't you expect more women to commit suicide than men - but they don't? I don't really think it's as simple as that.

 

[marinamarina]

I agree that there are obviously physical differences, but not so sure about the psychological ones. Like, is there actually proof that men are more 'logical' - and how do you even quantify that? For example, in the UK at least, women tend to do better in standardised exams than men in the 'logical' subjects, such as maths and science. So surely from that evidence you could say women are more logical?

And can you prove that women are more 'emotional'? If so, then wouldn't you expect more women to commit suicide than men - but they don't? I don't really think it's as simple as that.

I agree with you. Besides I feel like a lot of these ideas come from stereotypes, and how men and women present themselves due to socialization. Like for example a lot of men are more emotional than they let on.

 

[Brackets]

I agree with you. Besides I feel like a lot of these ideas come from stereotypes, and how men and women present themselves due to socialization. Like for example a lot of men are more emotional than they let on.

Yeah exactly, I feel like a lot of guys don't show their emotions, because they're worried someone will call them gay or something. In society it's less acceptable for men to be emotional. I actually remember reading an article once (sorry I can't for the life of me remember where) that said that guys actually have a rougher time with break-ups and things than girls, because they're not allowed to cry about it with their friends and get angry; they have to coop it all up inside. It's sad.

 

[radical6]

no because its been taken up with libfems who think wearing makeup is "empowering" and porn is healthy for society

 

[RainbowCherry]

I honestly don't bloody care about anything that doesn't directly effect me or that I don't enjoy/care about. I wouldn't consider myself a feminist at all.

 

[marinamarina]

no because its been taken up with libfems who think wearing makeup is "empowering" and porn is healthy for society

What's wrong w makeup though? in places where women have v few rights its often one of the first things to go.

 

[Reindeer]

They aren't though, I know women who can ****ing bench press me. There are more stronger men than women because, again, societal expectations and gender roles.

Again, this is untrue. Neither sex is naturally more this or naturally more that, it is all based on how people are raised. Women are more "emotional" because they are socialized since birth to take care of everyone and be "nice" and "nurturing" and never make anyone angry. On the other hand, boys are taught that showing a teaspoon of emotion makes them weak. Because of these societal expectations that heavily influence the wiring of peoples' brains, it's impossible to study and prove gender (or sex) differences in regards to peoples brains work.

As for logic VS emotion (also known as left brain VS right brain), another myth. Literally everyone is primarily emotion-driven because that part of your brain always reacts quicker.

You're using anecdotal evidence to fight empirical evidence.
How do societal expectations tell a male body to produce more testosterone than estrogen? How do societal expectations give a female body a larger hippocampus? How do societal expectations lead to the gender difference in the way brains process chemicals from birth?
They don't.

 

[seliph]

You're using anecdotal evidence to fight empirical evidence.
How do societal expectations tell a male body to produce more testosterone than estrogen? How do societal expectations give a female body a larger hippocampus? How do societal expectations lead to the gender difference in the way brains process chemicals from birth?
They don't.

Addressed the testosterone thing above, I completely forgot about it

 

[Reindeer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manspreading

Oh lol I manspread all the time. It's been symbolically interacted into me since I was a kid I guess. It's an open body language thing though. I guess I get the public transportation complaint.

You do it all the time because it helps your biological functions. Your testicles need to be below your body temperature (34-35 Celsius while body temperature is 37-38) in order to produce healthy sperm cells. Spreading your legs aids in this.
Telling a man to stop spreading his legs is like telling a woman to stop having her period. Both are related to fertility after all.

Edit: Just adding a bit to this. Some guys do go overboard, like the one in the picture that nvll posted earlier (which I think is joking about the guys that do sit like that). But telling men to close their legs entirely is absurd.

Addressed the testosterone thing above, I completely forgot about it

Aight, cool, I didn't see it because I didn't read the rest of the thread before I responded. It was mentioned in the article I linked though, so I was also going off the assumption you'd read it.

 

[kayleee]

Yes I absolutely am. I feel sorry for the people who say they aren't

 

[Aniko]

What's wrong w makeup though? in places where women have v few rights its often one of the first things to go.

I think there is nothing wrong with make-up as long as you are free to wear it or not. And when I mean free, I mean you are not expected to wear it or not. For instance, I never wear make-up and of course I'm getting comments as what I should be prouder and take care of myself and be more feminine and so on, people like to remind me how pale, tired and sick I look and they even think that if I had a boyfriend, I would look more radiant and therefor wear make-up....(in their logic) There are also the opposite, some people are calling the ones who wear make-up, superficial, insecure, easy and so on..like "have you seen her? she wears more make-up than an old prostitute".

 

[Cudon]

I agree that there are obviously physical differences, but not so sure about the psychological ones. Like, is there actually proof that men are more 'logical' - and how do you even quantify that? For example, in the UK at least, women tend to do better in standardised exams than men in the 'logical' subjects, such as maths and science. So surely from that evidence you could say women are more logical?

And can you prove that women are more 'emotional'? If so, then wouldn't you expect more women to commit suicide than men - but they don't? I don't really think it's as simple as that.

Iirc I've heard that women in general just enjoy school much more than men do because of the way it's taught or something. Too lazy to look for a source but that's something i've heard a good amount.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-women-in-general-do-better-at-school-as-compared-to-men <- I guess thatll do

 

[marinamarina]

I think there is nothing wrong with make-up as long as you are free to wear it or not. And when I mean free, I mean you are not expected to wear it or not. For instance, I never wear make-up and of course I'm getting comments as what I should be prouder and take care of myself and be more feminine and so on, people like to remind me how pale, tired and sick I look and they even think that if I had a boyfriend, I would look more radiant and therefor wear make-up....(in their logic) There are also the opposite, some people are calling the ones who wear make-up, superficial, insecure, easy and so on..like "have you seen her? she wears more make-up than an old prostitute".

Yeah it can be a catch 22 for sure! I usually wear makeup and I've gotten comments about how it's a waste of time, that I look better/ the same w/o it, people have assumed that I'm ditzy, or spend most my time getting ready (i dress girly too )

 

[Fleshy]

how is that in any way, shape or form transphobic

Not that there's any point explaining it but the way people here have used the word "man" to mean people with high testosterone levels, and have said that men stronger because they're born with "certain parts" completely erases trans people and does come across transphobic (more cis-normative than transphobic but yeah), weather it is meant that way or not.

The way "man" and "women" are used in regard to sex is transphobic because it makes assumptions that all men are a certain way and all women are a certain way too, which isn't true.

 

[Aniko]

Yeah it can be a catch 22 for sure! I usually wear makeup and I've gotten comments about how it's a waste of time, that I look better/ the same w/o it, people have assumed that I'm ditzy, or spend most my time getting ready (i dress girly too )

Yes, like everything we do is wrong anyway. I think people should be free to do as they like and not getting negative comments for it.

 

[seliph]

Not that there's any point explaining it but the way people here have used the word "man" to mean people with high testosterone levels, and have said that men stronger because they're born with "certain parts" completely erases trans people and does come across transphobic (more cis-normative than transphobic but yeah), weather it is meant that way or not.

The way "man" and "women" are used in regard to sex is transphobic because it makes assumptions that all men are a certain way and all women are a certain way too, which isn't true.

I'm pretty sure no one is being transphobic, cisnormative sure but it's just way easier than saying "amabs" and "afabs" and is much easier to understand, especially for people whose first language isn't English or have comprehension troubles in general.

 

[Brackets]

Iirc I've heard that women in general just enjoy school much more than men do because of the way it's taught or something. Too lazy to look for a source but that's something i've heard a good amount.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-women-in-general-do-better-at-school-as-compared-to-men <- I guess thatll do

Oh yeah I get that there could be other factors that could explain that, but my point was that it's pretty hard to quantify logic and say that men are on average more logical. Looking at brain studies isn't exactly conclusive, because we still don't really know exactly how the brain works. And for another example, the majority of people going into medicine now are women, and being a doctor is thought to be a very scientific and logical job. Of course, there are caring aspects of it as well, but the main part is being logical and figuring out the most likely diagnosis. Basically what I'm saying is I doubt it's as clear cut as people are saying.

 

[marinamarina]

I'm pretty sure no one is being transphobic, cisnormative sure but it's just way easier than saying "amabs" and "afabs" and is much easier to understand, especially for people whose first language isn't English or have comprehension troubles in general.

Yeah English is my first language and I wouldn't have understood that. I've never heard those words before now!

 

[Fleshy]

I'm pretty sure no one is being transphobic, cisnormative sure but it's just way easier than saying "amabs" and "afabs" and is much easier to understand, especially for people whose first language isn't English or have comprehension troubles in general.

Yeah I understand that, that's why I said that there wasn't much point explaining it, I don't think anyone has meant to be transphobic at all (but I can also see why someone would take it that way). I understand that using "man" and "woman" that way rather than "amab, afab" or anything else is easier and makes it more understandable, so I don't personally have a problem with it.