What gender are you?

[Mercedes]

Props to the all the people have shown interest in learning and have asked questions about what they don't understand just yet <3
It's so great to see.


Can you please keep your transphobic comments out of this thread, it's mostly been going really well so far.

Why would you think I have somthing against Trans? I said that was one of the genders I think are real. :/ Kinda confused.
I was saying Male, Female, Shemale and Trans. Are real genders. Idek, were you get that from..

 

[Yoshisaur]

Thanks to people answer questions as well! I had not heard of some of the options in the poll before today, but now I'm all educated 'n stuff.

 

[Aradai]

Why would you think I have somthing against Trans? I said that was one of the genders I think are real. :/ Kinda confused.
I was saying Male, Female, Shemale and Trans. Are real genders. Idek, were you get that from..

as stated by Zane, shemale isnt a gender, its a slur.

 

[Mercedes]

as stated by Zane, shemale isnt a gender, its a slur.

Oh I did not know that.

 

[infinikitten]

Saying you don't think other genders are "real" is a fairly transphobic point of view, and making light of gender issues : "my gender is robot"... :/ Not cool, my friend, rein it in a little bit there please.

That one hiccup aside, I want to applaud everyone in this thread for being fairly mature and civil, and handling these kinds of discussions well. LOL I know I sound like a mom being all "Good job at playing nice, kids!" but really, good job, I'm happy to see it. I half expected another explosion of arguments and general awfulness, but asking questions without being facetious is a huge help to pretty much everyone involved and yeah, pat yourselves on the back for learning. (I'd pat your backs for you, but y'know, distance. ;p)

 

[Mercedes]

Saying you don't think other genders are "real" is a fairly transphobic point of view, and making light of gender issues : "my gender is robot"... :/ Not cool, my friend, rein it in a little bit there please.

That one hiccup aside, I want to applaud everyone in this thread for being fairly mature and civil, and handling these kinds of discussions well. LOL I know I sound like a mom being all "Good job at playing nice, kids!" but really, good job, I'm happy to see it. I half expected another explosion of arguments and general awfulness, but asking questions without being facetious is a huge help to pretty much everyone involved and yeah, pat yourselves on the back for learning. (I'd pat your backs for you, but y'know, distance. ;p)

But that's what my mom said. And that's not even transphobic omg. I all for Trans, in fact there is a Trans boy in my school, we give him my brothers clothes (they are nice and he's asking for male clothes.) so don't call me transphobic, if I was I would be ew Nasty y is that girl wearing boy clothes??! But I don't. So yeah. I'm only 13 so yeah.

 

[oath2order]

Props to all the people who have shown an interest in learning and have asked questions about what they don't yet understand <3
It's so great to see.



Can you please keep your transphobic comments out of this thread, it's mostly been going really well so far.

It's very clear that Lucky does not understand trans issues as well as some other people. How about educate instead of insult?

 

[Mercedes]

It's very clear that Lucky does not understand trans issues as well as some other people. How about educate instead of insult?

Thank you oath.

 

[zoetrope]

Also, I want to point out that transgenderism isn't a gender itself, but it's a condition in which someone's biological sex does not match up with their perceived gender. Someone who was born with male genitals but identifies as female would be considered... female. They may call themselves things like transwoman or even shemale or tranny (I don't know, are those terms that are being reclaimed?) but they should still be considered female.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going off of some classes I took 10 years ago.

 

[Yoshisaur]

Also, I want to point out that transgenderism isn't a gender itself, but it's a condition in which someone's biological sex does not match up with their perceived gender. Someone who was born with male genitals but identifies as female would be considered... female. They may call themselves things like transwoman or even shemale or tranny (I don't know, are those terms that are being reclaimed?) but they should still be considered female.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going off of some classes I took 10 years ago.

That's also my perception and understanding of transgender.

 

[lithiumlatte]

But that's what my mom said. And that's not even transphobic omg. I all for Trans, in fact there is a Trans boy in my school, we give him my brothers clothes (they are nice and he's asking for male clothes.) so don't call me transphobic, if I was I would be ew Nasty y is that girl wearing boy clothes??! But I don't. So yeah. I'm only 13 so yeah.

Just quickly, it's up to trans/nb people to decide what is transphobic or offensive and what isn't, not you, or any cisgender person.

Although, I didn't realize you were so young when I made my post, so to me it seemed like you were in full understanding of what you were saying, so I'm sorry for that! By no means do I expect you to know everything, just to be aware of what you said.
But yes, please try to take what infinikitten said on board!

It's very clear that Lucky does not understand trans issues as well as some other people. How about educate instead of insult?

I didn't insult lucky, I pointed out that they were making transphobic comments, which they were. I shouldn't have to be polite to someone who insults people in that way - that wouldn't be mutual respect. How are they ever going to learn if someone doesn't tell them that what they said was offensive? However, I do admit I didn't realize they were so young, so I apologise to lucky for not taking that into consideration! I don't expect Lucky to be a fountain of knowledge at that age whatsoever, of course I don't! Only to keep the rude remarks in check.

 

[Aryxia]

But that's what my mom said. And that's not even transphobic omg. I all for Trans, in fact there is a Trans boy in my school, we give him my brothers clothes (they are nice and he's asking for male clothes.) so don't call me transphobic, if I was I would be ew Nasty y is that girl wearing boy clothes??! But I don't. So yeah. I'm only 13 so yeah.

Alright here we go~

1. Just because your mom, or any other respectable figure, says something is _____ doesn't mean that said thing is _______. I'm not saying that your mom (or any other figure you may look up to) isn't a reliable person, but each and every single person is going to have their own biases and may not be as well versed in certain issues as other people. I think that when it comes to social/political/economic issues, it's our duty as educated people to research as many different angles and perspectives as possible, and thirteen isn't to early to start!

2.While trans definitely describe transgender people, to many people it has evolved to become an umbrella term for anyone falling outside of the gender binary, that is, male and female. This may include genderfluid people, non-binary people, bigender people, etc. Like trans people, they may (and probably do) feel a great amount of discomfort, pain, etc. if addressed as another gender In essence, misgendering them or saying that their gender isn't real is like saying "You were born a boy, and you're going to stay that way!" to a trans female. Needless to say, that's a pretty bad thing to say. Remember, gender does not equal sex, and gender is a man-made social construct, so it can easily be said that there are more than 4 genders~

I hope this helped! I'm a cis girl, so I can't really speak from personal experience ^.^;;

Anyway, for those interested, this is a huge list of genderqueer identities, and this is a really interesting read on some NA First Nations Two-Spirit beliefs

 

[Mercedes]

Just quickly, itt's up to trans/nb people to decide what is transphobic or offensive and what isn't, not you.

Although, I didn't realize you were so young when I made my post, so to me it seemed like you were in full understanding of what you were saying, so I'm sorry for that! By no means do I expect you to know everything, just to be aware of what you said.
But yes, please try to take what infinikitten said on board!


I didn't insult lucky, I pointed out that they were making transphobic comments, which they were. I shouldn't have to be polite to someone who insults people in that way. How are they ever going to learn if someone doesn't tell them that what they said was offensive? However, I do admit I didn't realize they were so young, so I apologise to lucky for not taking that into consideration! I don't expect Lucky to be a fountain of knowledge at that age whatsoever, of course I don't. Only to keep the rude remarks in check.

Yay thanks for apologizing I'm sorry too. I did not mean to be rude. Also in a girl, I don't like it when ppl call me they or he idk why it bothers me

 

[zoetrope]

Sorry if I'm sounding annoying here but I also wanted to mention that people shouldn't refer to trans people as transsexuals because it objectifies them. Much like referring to gay people as "the gays" or something like that.

So ends today's 'zoetrope lecture about things he has only a small grasp on.'

 

[lithiumlatte]

Yay thanks for apologizing I'm sorry too. I did not mean to be rude. Also in a girl, I don't like it when ppl call me they or he idk why it bothers me

It's only because I wasn't sure which pronouns you'd like to called by - he/him, her/she or something else?
Aryxia's post is really important to read also! We know that you're young, and you're bound to make mistakes. Everything's all good as long you're willing to acknowledge and learn from them

 

[Aryxia]

Sorry if I'm sounding annoying here but I also wanted to mention that people shouldn't refer to trans people as transsexuals because it objectifies them. Much like referring to gay people as "the gays" or something like that.

So ends today's 'zoetrope lecture about things he has only a small grasp on.'

Editing my post~ Thanks c:

 

[zoetrope]

Editing my post~ Thanks c:

Oh no! That wasn't directed at you but instead was a general thought I had. I hadn't even noticed anything in your post. I swear I wasn't trying to be passive-aggressive!

I also haven't answered the actual poll yet. I'm male.

 

[Aryxia]

Oh no! That wasn't directed at you but instead was a general thought I had. I hadn't even noticed anything in your post. I swear I wasn't trying to be passive-aggressive!

I also haven't answered the actual poll yet. I'm male.

I didn't take it that way, don't worry!

 

[oath2order]

Sorry if I'm sounding annoying here but I also wanted to mention that people shouldn't refer to trans people as transsexuals because it objectifies them. Much like referring to gay people as "the gays" or something like that.

So ends today's 'zoetrope lecture about things he has only a small grasp on.'

so what the **** are you suppose to refer to them as

trans people?

Like okay let's say there's a news article that's covering three studies, one done on gay men, lesbian women, and trans. What's the proper terminology for trans then. I mean, it's perfectly acceptable and commonplace to say, for example, "62% of gay men polled responded with..." and "25% of lesbian women polled responded with..."

so what's the trans thing to say. "37% of trans polled responded with..." sounds odd.

 

[Murray]

so what the **** are you suppose to refer to them as

trans people?

Like okay let's say there's a news article that's covering three studies, one done on gay men, lesbian women, and trans. What's the proper terminology for trans then. I mean, it's perfectly acceptable and commonplace to say, for example, "62% of gay men polled responded with..." and "25% of lesbian women polled responded with..."

so what's the trans thing to say. "37% of trans polled responded with..." sounds odd.

i thought trans was just short for transsexual or transgender, it it not (I actually don't know)?