What are your thoughts on Hamilton?

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So I know that Hamilton just came out on a few streaming services and I just watched it. Lemme tell you, IT WAS AMAZING! I literally learned more about Alexander Hamilton than school ever taught me. It must have taken so much practice to be able to put on a play as great as that.
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I was fortunate to be able to see the play in London last year, and I enjoyed it! I especially liked that it's different from many musicals nowadays in its subject matter, cast, and musical content.
(Majorly unpopular opinion though: I don't like Lin Manuel-Miranda as Hamilton! He's a talented writer but I am just not a fan of the way that he sings and acts.)

That being said, I do have many problems with the historicity of the musical itself. I understand that the point of the musical wasn't to educate, but rather, to entertain. Still, there will be many people (myself included) whose first in-depth exposure to Hamilton and the founding fathers was the musical itself. It perhaps could have done a bit more to address issues such as the founding fathers and their relationships to slavery, for example. Or, it could have featured non-elite people of colour who were involved in the abolitionist and revolutionary movements themselves (of which there were many at the time!). Would it really have been that difficult to put in at least a few references to Hercules Mulligan's slave Cato for example, who served as a spy, if not to have him as a character at some point?

There is an interesting Smithsonian Magazine article about a series of essays written by historians about Hamilton's historicity here. I haven't been able to read the essay collection yet, but some of the arguments that its writers are proposing are very interesting. I would absolutely recommend checking it out if you're interested in learning more about the history of Hamilton or if you're a fan of the musical. As a whole, the authors aren't arguing that Lin-Manuel Miranda is bad for choosing to write the musical in the way that he did, or that Hamilton wasn't an important cultural touchstone. However, they do essentially argue that by making the decisions he does, Miranda's interpretation of history in Hamilton sends certain messages to the audience it reaches that perhaps are not completely accurate to the historical record.

I took a class last year about historiography, which partially covered how historical narratives are often perpetuated through the media we consume. Even if the intent of the media was not to send any particular message or to act as historical education, it often ends up somewhat serving that purpose for people. Even if Hamilton isn't strictly academic, it still perpetuates a certain view of history. And let's be honest: how many people are really going to pick up the Chernow biography the musical is based off or any books on Hamilton after seeing the musical, especially if they're just a casual fan or if they're not American themselves?

I do appreciate that Lin-Manuel Miranda is open to hearing criticisms about his musical and acknowledges that perhaps the musical could have done more to address the historical critiques it's received. It's just been really frustrating for me as the history nerd I am to see some people embracing Hamilton whole-heartedly whilst just brushing off these important critiques as meaningless because "at least the musical is getting people to know about Hamilton". You can love and appreciate Hamilton as the beautiful work of musical theatre it is whilst also recognizing that it offers only a perspective on Hamilton and that the real-life characters had much more complicated lives than the musical portrays.
 
I can honestly say that I'm one of the few people who have never seen it! I've never really been into musicals but I've heard so many good things about it that if it's ever on Netflix I'll probably check it out!
 
i saw it for the first time the other day and i honestly liked it more than i thought i would! it wasn’t what i was expecting at all but some of the songs are lowkey catchy😳
 
Hamilton is one of my favorite plays out there! My friends introduced me to a few songs back in 2018, and I started listening to a few more songs by myself. My favorites back then were Satisfied, Helpless, the Schuyler sisters, You’ll be Back, and Congratulations (a deleted song lol, I really liked the songs with the sisters). I saw Hamilton for the first time with my friend the day it came out, and it just blew me away! I had no idea that the entire play was singing, and I have so much respect for those actors/singers.
 
I enjoyed it quite a bit! I'm a HUGE musical fan (they're literally all I listen to and, before... all this started, I usually saw 3-4 a year) and I thought it was fabulous. 1776 is also a favorite of mine (re-watched it for July 4th, because it's tradition now) so I certainly enjoy historical fiction musicals and Hamilton did not disappoint- and I enjoyed the reference to 1776 that was slipped in 😉

I do admit it did play a little fast and loose with historical accuracy. I expected it to. Like I said, I love 1776, have seen the movie probably over a dozen times, and the live show once (and it's on my list of musicals I'll happily see anytime- alongside classics like Gypsy, Guys and Dolls, etc.) and that one shares that tendency, and even some characters. Heck, I've seen Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson- same deal (though, to be clear, he IS NOT portrayed as a hero in it- he's the main character, yes, but I never found myself cheering for him). Hamilton didn't address slavery and yes, it could've... but I also see that wasn't the story they were trying to tell. Frankly, that's a whole story in and of itself. At the same time, I REALLY loved seeing the diverse cast, and seeing POC portraying these characters, and shape their stories how they saw fit. Yes, it could've done some things differently... but I still think they did well overall.

And I think it also shows there is absolutely a market for historical musicals, for less traditional musicals, and for diverse musicals. Which I think can open the way for a lot more musicals, including ones that DO tackle the harder aspects Hamilton avoided.
 
i'm a theater kid n i saw so many people talking about how good it was but the first time i was able to properly watch it was on disney+

really fun musical! it mixes the old visuals with modern songs really well, and overall i really liked it. it did move pretty fast at some parts, but it gets the main story line down and tells you a lot of stuff about alexander hamilton that you might not even know
 
I really love it! As long as people realize it shouldn't be considered as an actual representation of real history. It is entertainment and obviously takes liberties to make things more entertaining and stuff.
 
My partner and I watched Hamilton last weekend. It was fun. I enjoyed the really phenomenal acting and music. But there were some major flaws imo. The musical did a pretty poor job of giving context for the things you're seeing and it assumes you're familiar with early American history. My partner was born and raised outside the US, but he's lived here for ten years. It was difficult for him to follow what was happening - especially with time jumps. The musical centers people of color, and representation is important, but it doesn't really address race and slavery at all. The lyrics give a couple quick references to the existence of slavery, but the musical could have done so much more. People of color existed and played a role in the war and in the lives of the main cast. We just didn't see it. I also found the female roles a bit sexist. It felt like every female character was there to love or lust for Hamilton, and they didn't have much agency or personal development apart from him. They were always just talking about him, with him, or reacting to his actions. It would have been great to see more of Angelica and Eliza as individuals. But I guess most of the male characters revolved around Hamilton in a similar way. It just made me feel sort of uncomfortable.. especially Helpless and Angelica's follow-up song :(
 
I never seen the actual thing. Only saw people animate it. I know the songs though and I love it. I’m waiting to watch it when my granny comes back home. She wanted to watch it too so I’m gonna wait for her. Fortunately she’s coming back tm.
 
from an artistic standpoint - musically, set design, costumes, actors - it was incredible. i also love the opportunity it gave to actors of color to not only perform, but flourish, on broadway. as well as make broadway "mainstream" again, and i hope the filming of it influences other big musicals to record and put their productions on streaming services.

however, the actual like, story and stuff.... 😬 a lot of it was very uncomfortable to watch, and it was hard to enjoy the stuff above knowing that like... all of these people were white men that have already been glorified to hell in our country and, y'know, owned slaves. all lines regarding ending slavery or women's rights very much felt shoehorned in for like, "woke points," when it absolutely was not a priority in that time period for any of the founding fathers. there could be essays written about how problematic the musical is and whatever, but basically any part of history being romanticized isn't a good thing. i would hope it'd spark interest for people to learn more about the subject, but unfortunately most people just take it at face value and end up with a lot of inaccurate facts and beliefs, as @ mayortiffany said in their reply.

aaaaanyways i don't want to go on for too long bc i won't be saying something that someone's already said. TL;DR: i'm critically appreciative of it. music good, story :/
 
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I thought it was a very entertaining few hours!! I was expecting something more (I don't have a better word) just because of how much people hyped it up, but I really enjoyed it! I can't stop singing "You'll be Back" to people in my house at totally random times. But I have to say 'back' like Jonathon Groff says it (like 'beck' or some really heavy accent on that word).
 
I thought it was great! The songs are so distinct and were very unique in their style (I thought the actors for Aaron Burr and Angelica were the best)

I was pleasantly surprised that the play was primarily PoC! Another play starring a pasty old white cast is just so boring. Obviously, the play isn't a literal recreation of historical events, so allowing that suspension of belief with a diverse cast makes everything really enjoyable. I thought the way they reimagined characters like Jefferson and using rap and hip-hop was just so funny and innovative. The play is definitely has its own identity that stands out amongst other musicals based on that time period
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The musical centers people of color, and representation is important, but it doesn't really address race and slavery at all. The lyrics give a couple quick references to the existence of slavery, but the musical could have done so much more. People of color existed and played a role in the war and in the lives of the main cast. We just didn't see it. I also found the female roles a bit sexist. It felt like every female character was there to love or lust for Hamilton, and they didn't have much agency or personal development apart from him. They were always just talking about him, with him, or reacting to his actions. It would have been great to see more of Angelica and Eliza as individuals. But I guess most of the male characters revolved around Hamilton in a similar way. It just made me feel sort of uncomfortable.. especially Helpless and Angelica's follow-up song :(

these are very valid arguments, I agree. Hamilton says something along the lines of immigrants being helpful, Hamilton being opposed to slavery, Angelica mentioning feminism, and Jefferson mentioning Sally (who was his enslaved lover) that don't get elabrated on. Hamilton actually had a very complex personal and political relationship with slavery and was a womanizer. Miranda commented on the omission of slavery and said he just tried to fit as much as he could and just didn't focus on it as much

Still, as a PoC myself, I still appreciate a PoC cast reimagining US history in a unique (albeit not fully accurate) way. With this play, PoC reworked a part of US history that has long been dominated by a White Hetero-Patriarchal narrative. But yes, more could've been done to address racial and gender issues, so this is a valid criticism
 
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then again, the play is basically just about Hamilton and how the characters react to him. The world isn't the focus of the play and that's why the political and social climate is glossed over the whole time. There are problems with the way Miranda portrays Hamilton himself, and I think a conversation about it is valuable
 
I also liked Hamilton and the reimagining of the characters. The songs were indeed very unique which puts a modern spin on centuries old events. Also as a poc myself, I don’t think there is necessarily anything wrong with having a predominantly white cast, a predominantly black cast, or a predominantly Asian cast, etc. as long as they are not trying to exclude anyone for malicious purposes. It’s whatever show that they want to portray and I think that they really nailed how they wanted to show the immigrant’s perspective in a new country. It’s historically accurate that the events in Hamilton were white, but there were also many brave people of color who did their part during the Revolutionary War, which I agree that Hamilton could have portrayed that narrative more. Anyway, I think that Lin did a very great job with putting together the whole show and the lyrics & music are genius.
 
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