War in Libya

I am certainly anti-Gadaffi, but foreign intervention makes it very complicated. As the article mentioned, it's also unconstitutional. The United States military is meant to protect the United States... that's it. The reason Scheuer didn't mention the War Powers Resolution is because it's irrelevant to what he's saying. I'm sure he understands that people would use that as an argument against what he is saying, but he doesn't accept it as a legitimate argument. The Resolution basically says that the President can have a two-day* war without Congress's approval, correct? It was probably passed with good intentions- that the US could be sitting ducks, waiting for approval from Congress. But isn't that unconstitutional? Besides, intervention in Libya isn't consistent with that reasoning because it's purpose is not to protect the United States.

Anyway, if Libya was actually completely anti-Gadaffi it should be possible for their own people to rise up and give power to someone else. Similar to what happened in Egypt. But I think this is much more of a civil war, as you said. There's two sides and some people probably don't even care either way. But war is messy and I think there is certainly the risk for Gadaffi to gain support against NATO. People don't like foreigners telling them how to live. There's already a large population that supports Gadaffi, I'm sure he can expand that with the same mentality. He's certainly trying at the very least (see the portion of his speech I quoted).

Either way, my point is that it's ultimately up to the people of Libya on what they're going to do with Gadaffi. And I'm not a pacifist either. I support defense. But the Libyan government isn't attacking the US. I think if someone is concerned about what is happening in Libya or elsewhere, they should feel free to go to war. Why not join the resistance yourself? But when the government goes to war, the people have no choice in the matter- they are supporting it. And I don't think it's too much to ask that you don't force me to support this war.

*Edit: I think it's actually 90 days.
Edit 2: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-crZrRJtUQ2s/TW3xVX51oII/AAAAAAAAAoE/SnM9EkDM5WY/s1600/Libya+alone.jpg =o
 
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Do you know how rare a bloodless overthrowing of the government is? Just because people aren't rioting in the streets doesn't mean they are fine with their current rule, it could just mean they are afraid to do anything. People get killed in those kinds of protests. If it were a perfect world perhaps everyone would be in perfect countries for themselves, living with people who agree on everything, but no we live in a rather messy world.

Even when a majority in a country oppose something their government does or even who is in it, it is often going to go unheard. In most governments it is all about who can maintain the loyalty of the military. I'm just glad we live in a country a bit better off than a lot of the world in that regard.
 
Do you know how rare a bloodless overthrowing of the government is? Just because people aren't rioting in the streets doesn't mean they are fine with their current rule, it could just mean they are afraid to do anything. People get killed in those kinds of protests. If it were a perfect world perhaps everyone would be in perfect countries for themselves, living with people who agree on everything, but no we live in a rather messy world.

Even when a majority in a country oppose something their government does or even who is in it, it is often going to go unheard. In most governments it is all about who can maintain the loyalty of the military. I'm just glad we live in a country a bit better off than a lot of the world in that regard.

So what's your position and what's your point?
 
So what's your position and what's your point?

Sometimes it is just the right thing to do to help a downtrodden people when they don't have the means to help themselves without getting their population cut in half.
 
The recession is over...and really this isn't a war, Libya is protesting their government and we are just aiding them. They are obviously going to win and I doubt Libya has the power to attack America, France, and the other aiding countries let alone stop the protesters that have made it into the capital...

Recession is over? No it isn't. Have you been watching the news lately? I don't think you have. We are on the second level of a total break down. The US dollar is dropping, countries like China, Libya, etc. are moving to European Pounds or German Marks. (Are they still around, if they are not please correct me.)
The goverment has trillions and trillions of debt, if you taxed everybody in the USA 100%, it wouldn't even fix how much debt we still own. The US is the only country in the world that is allowed to print out money legally. So, what the US is thinking is that they can print out so much money and we'll be fine. Have you also seen the oil prices lately? Yeah, they are almost $5 dollars per gallon. Hell of a lot of money, don't you think? This is what happened back in 2008 when the stock market fell to the ground almost. Some hi-priced mortage companies went bankrupt, nobody was paying! 25% of everybody who owns a house is going to have to foreclosure their house.

I could continue but I don't think this kind of conversation is in the right area to speak. Maybe one day I will type a hole page of what has happened to the US.
 
Recession is over? No it isn't. Have you been watching the news lately? I don't think you have. We are on the second level of a total break down. The US dollar is dropping, countries like China, Libya, etc. are moving to European Pounds or German Marks. (Are they still around, if they are not please correct me.)
The goverment has trillions and trillions of debt, if you taxed everybody in the USA 100%, it wouldn't even fix how much debt we still own. The US is the only country in the world that is allowed to print out money legally. So, what the US is thinking is that they can print out so much money and we'll be fine. Have you also seen the oil prices lately? Yeah, they are almost $5 dollars per gallon. Hell of a lot of money, don't you think? This is what happened back in 2008 when the stock market fell to the ground almost. Some hi-priced mortage companies went bankrupt, nobody was paying! 25% of everybody who owns a house is going to have to foreclosure their house.

I could continue but I don't think this kind of conversation is in the right area to speak. Maybe one day I will type a hole page of what has happened to the US.

While your view is entirely reasonable, I believe it was pointed out that by the definition of recession it is already over. This does not mean we are financially better, just means we aren't receding any more. It is really just a technicality, just something to keep in mind.
 
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