TTing and the daily chores

[Fey]

I agree 100% I'm just not that kind with my wording. Non TTers need to be more honest about TTers being the end of the world and TTers need to be honest about ALL of the many benefits of TTing

The dishonesty is almost as gross and the greed in this community

Eh, I try to be kind, but this has more to do with being diplomatic. If a conversation shuts down because of a word choice I’ve wasted my time and gain nothing ^ｪ^

Also, did you mean TTers were, or weren’t the end of the world? Because the former is pretty exaggerated. Some don’t even take those benefits into the community after all.

 

[IonicKarma]

Time Traveling is always going to get you stuff faster than players that don't and unless Nintendo enforced real time based gameplay, there's nothing we can really do about it.

Honestly though imo its much easier to make bells though the stalk market than growing money trees, though as always, time travelling makes it easier.

I personally don't consider it cheating because Nintendo doesn't, but I do agree that it effects our market.

 

[Zura]

Eh, I try to be kind, but this has more to do with being diplomatic. If a conversation shuts down because of a word choice I’ve wasted my time and gain nothing ^ｪ^

Also, did you mean TTers were, or weren’t the end of the world? Because the former is pretty exaggerated. Some don’t even take those benefits into the community after all.

Haha typo, Ill fix it! I meant they "weren't" Good catch!

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Time Traveling is always going to get you stuff faster than players that don't and unless Nintendo enforced real time based gameplay, there's nothing we can really do about it.

Honestly though imo its much easier to make bells though the stalk market than growing money trees, though as always, time travelling makes it easier.

I personally don't consider it cheating because Nintendo doesn't, but I do agree that it effects our market.

Idk I feel like it's completely possible to TT day by day getting rewards for money trees, money rocks, abd miles interests, etc and open up for large entry fees whenever you get a good turnip buying price

 

[kyrynbunni]

I admire your determination to change peoples' minds on time traveling. I don't personally think time traveling is the source of the market being hell right now. The real source is the people hacking in bells and tickets in order to sell them for real money, and the people purchasing these "bundles" thus putting them into the economy.

This is happening because I know someone who is doing it. He swears up and down that he isn't hacking in these NMTs and bells but every single person in our friend circle knows that's a bold-faced lie. And people are actually buying it. He made $500 in a single week doing this. This is overall the reason why people have so many NMTs. Hackers are putting them in the game, people are actually buying them, and they get placed into the economy and spread around. Thus the prices being out of control.

But no, I do not think players that don't time travel have to "subject" to anything. Trust me, time travelers are not evil people plotting world domination as you seem to think. At this point, even non-time traveling players can have a good shot in the market. The game has been out for a month, and many people have items like gold nuggets and star fragments - or simple luck with good villagers. When someone plays their cards right, all of this can lead to a good bank of bells and NMTs. It's easier for people who time travel to get money but I wouldn't say people who time travel are "overlords" who have ruined everything. You can thank the people actually hacking the game for that one.

 

[Khaelis]

I admire your determination to change peoples' minds on time traveling. I don't personally think time traveling is the source of the market being hell right now. The real source is the people hacking in bells and tickets in order to sell them for real money, and the people purchasing these "bundles" thus putting them into the economy.

This is happening because I know someone who is doing it. He swears up and down that he isn't hacking in these NMTs and bells but every single person in our friend circle knows that's a bold-faced lie. And people are actually buying it. He made $500 in a single week doing this. This is overall the reason why people have so many NMTs. Hackers are putting them in the game, people are actually buying them, and they get placed into the economy and spread around. Thus the prices being out of control.

But no, I do not think players that don't time travel have to "subject" to anything. Trust me, time travelers are not evil people plotting world domination as you seem to think. At this point, even non-time traveling players can have a good shot in the market. The game has been out for a month, and many people have items like gold nuggets and star fragments - or simple luck with good villagers. When someone plays their cards right, all of this can lead to a good bank of bells and NMTs. It's easier for people who time travel to get money but I wouldn't say people who time travel are "overlords" who have ruined everything. You can thank the people actually hacking the game for that one.

I don't see people trying to persuade people about time travel. All I see is a friendly discussion on the topic.

 

[IonicKarma]

Haha typo, Ill fix it! I meant they "weren't" Good catch!

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Idk I feel like it's completely possible to TT day by day getting rewards for money trees, money rocks, abd miles interests, etc and open up for large entry fees whenever you get a good turnip buying price

Oh I guarantee people are doing that, while TT is certainly a problem, it pails in comparison to hacking imo, which is most certainly cheating. I feel like that is the way bigger factor in our market prices.

 

[Zura]

I admire your determination to change peoples' minds on time traveling. I don't personally think time traveling is the source of the market being hell right now. The real source is the people hacking in bells and tickets in order to sell them for real money, and the people purchasing these "bundles" thus putting them into the economy.

This is happening because I know someone who is doing it. He swears up and down that he isn't hacking in these NMTs and bells but every single person in our friend circle knows that's a bold-faced lie. And people are actually buying it. He made $500 in a single week doing this. This is overall the reason why people have so many NMTs. Hackers are putting them in the game, people are actually buying them, and they get placed into the economy and spread around. Thus the prices being out of control.

But no, I do not think players that don't time travel have to "subject" to anything. Trust me, time travelers are not evil people plotting world domination as you seem to think. At this point, even non-time traveling players can have a good shot in the market. The game has been out for a month, and many people have items like gold nuggets and star fragments - or simple luck with good villagers. When someone plays their cards right, all of this can lead to a good bank of bells and NMTs. It's easier for people who time travel to get money but I wouldn't say people who time travel are "overlords" who have ruined everything. You can thank the people actually hacking the game for that one.

Yeah honestly there are worse things out there and I think that's just terrible, although I do think that TTing can be dangerous by itself. It's easy to point out the bigger problems but I think we often underestimate the benefits of TTing. I don't really care if you TT as long as it doesn't affect me but that whole mindset gets launched out the window when these kinds of things are found. I wouldn't even care or talk about TTing if this wasn't a problem.

I think what really grinds me gears is the constant misinformation on both sides.

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Oh I guarantee people are doing that, while TT is certainly a problem, it pails in comparison to hacking imo, which is most certainly cheating. I feel like that is the way bigger factor in our market prices.

Same response as above ^

 

[Fey]

I personally don't consider it cheating because Nintendo doesn't, but I do agree that it effects our market.

The only place I’ve found that statement is from a Washington Post article—and it isn’t a direct quote from Nintendo, but the author’s own words. What’s in the actual quotes explains pretty clearly how they intended the game to be played—without TT. Now that doesn’t mean that they do consider it cheating—it just isn’t the unambiguous endorsement that some people are making it out to be.

 

[Zura]

The only place I’ve found that statement is from a Washington Post article—and it isn’t a direct quote from Nintendo, but the author’s own words. What’s in the actual quotes explains pretty clearly how they intended the game to be played—without TT. Now that doesn’t mean that they do consider it cheating—it just isn’t the unambiguous endorsement that some people are making it out to be.

Well, I always see that quote as saying that it's not really cheating because in all honesty it isn't but they do strongly urge people to play as intended. I don't really mind when people bring up that quote because there's a lot of truth to it for both sides of the coin.

 

[kyrynbunni]

Yeah honestly there are worse things out there and I think that's just terrible, although I do think that TTing can be dangerous by itself. It's easy to point out the bigger problems but I think we often underestimate the benefits of TTing. I don't really care if you TT as long as it doesn't affect me but that whole mindset gets launched out the window when these kinds of things are found. I wouldn't even care or talk about TTing if this wasn't a problem.

I think what really grinds me gears is the constant misinformation on both sides.

That's is unfortunately what comes along with discussions on heated subjects, the misinformation and misdeeds that get spread around cause more animosity. Subjects like these are honestly best left to "agree to disagree" because overall, you're never going to change someone's mind which is what most discussions are designed to attempt.

I hope Nintendo can figure out a solution to the hacking and put the economy right but as a long-time Splatoon player, they are constantly losing the battle against hackers. So I'm not sure they're gonna have much better luck with Animal Crossing. :v The best way to control the market is for people to refuse to take such inflated prices but courtesy of social media, this community has gotten a lot more greedier than it ever was in New Leaf.

I mean, I guess I can believe some people legitimately have 1,000+ tickets via time traveling since we're all quarantined still at the moment lol

 

[Zura]

Although, I have had the same thoughts as that when reading it

 

[Reginald Fairfield]

If I recall, there's a video I watched that explains it very well.

Section on money trees begins at 7 minutes, 33 seconds.

Dude is professional and entertaining.

 

[IonicKarma]

Yeah honestly there are worse things out there and I think that's just terrible, although I do think that TTing can be dangerous by itself. It's easy to point out the bigger problems but I think we often underestimate the benefits of TTing. I don't really care if you TT as long as it doesn't affect me but that whole mindset gets launched out the window when these kinds of things are found. I wouldn't even care or talk about TTing if this wasn't a problem.

I think what really grinds me gears is the constant misinformation on both sides.

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Same response as above ^

I personally don't time travel, but I do see why others might, especially with how frustrating it is to move out villagers without amiibos. Being honest, I probably would to if I didn't already have the Amiibos I needed to move the villagers I wanted in.

The only place I’ve found that statement is from a Washington Post article—and it isn’t a direct quote from Nintendo, but the author’s own words. What’s in the actual quotes explains pretty clearly how they intended the game to be played—without TT. Now that doesn’t mean that they do consider it cheating—it just isn’t the unambiguous endorsement that some people are making it out to be.

The reason I think Nintendo doesn't consider it as cheating is because they haven't done anything about it. They could have implemented something to force you to play in synced time while online or visiting other towns at least. There's basically no punishment for time travelling, even less than in other games in fact where you could lose villagers as a result.

 

[Zura]

The reason I think Nintendo doesn't consider it as cheating is because they haven't done anything about it. They could have implemented something to force you to play in synced time while online or visiting other towns at least. There's basically no punishment for time travelling, even less than in other games in fact where you could lose villagers as a result.

Yep, that hits the nail right on the head. TTing by itself isn't all that bad but used by bad people can be dangerous. It isn't cheating in the subject it was used in but can be used to describe subjects like what I said about cheating to get above the rest in terms of wealth. In all actuality, the term exploitation is better used for TTing. Now while I know that sounds like a dirty word and that Im accusing people of playing wrongly, please hear me out. Exploits in a lot of games are often seen as fair and ok, even by the devs. Exploiting isn't always terrible but there can be cases that they were used for misdeeds.

Exploiting doesn't always = Cheating or bad person

 

[flabbergasted]

I time travel because I wouldn’t otherwise be able to play when stores are open, or when some bugs and fish are available. I haven’t used it to get more bells in my bank account since I played Wild World, now I’d be too worried about what would happen to my villagers and town if I did.

 

[Zura]

Hell I often do my fair share of exploiting here and there so I'm not exempt

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I time travel because I wouldn’t otherwise be able to play when stores are open, or when some bugs and fish are available. I haven’t used it to get more bells in my bank account since I played Wild World, now I’d be too worried about what would happen to my villagers and town if I did.

Prime example of what I said above

 

[IonicKarma]

Yep, that hits the nail right on the head. TTing by itself isn't all that bad but used by bad people can be dangerous. It really isn't a cheat in the sense it's being used in but can be used to describe other forms like what I said about cheating to get above the rest in terms of wealth. In all actuality, the term exploitation is better used for TTing as a topic. Now while I know that sounds like a dirty word and that Im accusing people of playing wrongly, please hear me out. Exploits in a lot of games are often seen as fair and ok, even by the devs. Exploiting isn't always terrible but there can be cases that they were used for misdeeds.

Exploiting doesn't always = Cheating or bad person

Indeed there will always be people who exploit mechanics for their personal gain. You would think there would be less in a wholesome game which has no competitive aspect at all but here we are. Time Travel isn't evil at its root, I know a friend who does it because they work an odd schedule where everything would normally be closed when they could play. But if a person is willing to exploit Time Travelling for their own personal gain, whats stopping them from using even worse methods like duping or hacking? Ultimately though, what can we even do about it?

 

[Proxy6228420]

I agree that overlord TTers are a factor in the market being chaotic, but I strongly agree hackers in the first week of the launch was the biggest reason. I believe minor, like very minor, TTing is okay. For example: I only TT for two reasons, and its only a day at a time. I TT at most 3 days in a single real life day, for the reason that I'm working during this pandemic. My days off I TT max 3 days to catch up on stuff I wasn't able to do on the days I work. It's stressful and I know I can still enjoy the game, even though I really don't like to TT. After I'm not working so much, I won't be TTing unless I'm trying to get a dreamie, which is only by trading.

What I'm trying to say is: TTing isn't cheating, but it is a form of exploiting. Yes they are similar meanings, but they are in different contexts. I believe its okay to TT if you have to and if you do only do a day or two, don't exploit the system to gain bells or NM. I can agree with some things on both sides, but not all.

Just wanted to say my side on it I guess

 

[Bioness]

If I recall, there's a video I watched that explains it very well.

Section on money trees begins at 7 minutes, 33 seconds.

Funny considering that guy spread every single one of those myths prior to making the video.

Money Trees are such an insignificant amount of money gained that I don't even bother half the time AND I time travel a lot.

Time Traveling is also not cheating nor an exploit. If Nintendo really didn't want time traveling they would prevent people from changing the time time significantly after it has been set. They don't because they are well aware a good portion of players time travel and it is in their best interest to be neutral about it.

You know what is worse than time travelers not thinking they gain an advantage? Sanctimonious purist that constantly complain about time travelers.

 

[Zura]

I agree that overlord TTers are a factor in the market being chaotic, but I strongly agree hackers in the first week of the launch was the biggest reason. I believe minor, like very minor, TTing is okay. For example: I only TT for two reasons, and its only a day at a time. I TT at most 3 days in a single real life day, for the reason that I'm working during this pandemic. My days off I TT max 3 days to catch up on stuff I wasn't able to do on the days I work. It's stressful and I know I can still enjoy the game, even though I really don't like to TT. After I'm not working so much, I won't be TTing unless I'm trying to get a dreamie, which is only by trading.

What I'm trying to say is: TTing isn't cheating, but it is a form of exploiting. Yes they are similar meanings, but they are in different contexts. I believe its okay to TT if you have to and if you do only do a day or two, don't exploit the system to gain bells or NM. I can agree with some things on both sides, but not all.

Just wanted to say my side on it I guess

Id leave out parts about TTing overlords but I gotta say that you and I have about the same opinion on the subject. Although I will NEVER TT ever