TT vs TT Abuse

[SillyPrinny]

**This is not a TTing hate thread, this is purely discussion. Play how you want to play.

Due to the overwhelming huge demand of lovely people wanting me to make this thread, I thought I would do so for them all! Now let's get to the discussion of the matter. I only have a couple of questions, and thoughts on the whole time traveling matters, not really any concerns that affect me. I think there are two different kind of TTings, one to speed up game play, and maybe to unlock features and just enjoy themselves. I'm 200% ok with that, but where do we draw a line between someone playing to help them enjoy the game VS purely playing to make profit to obtain thing through BellTree?

Not everyone who time travels is going to be rich, and go and ruin the buying/selling/bidding section of BellTree but I do believe this is why I would like to come up with the term TTA(TimeTravelAbuse. I would like to explain the difference in the two, it's simple:

TTing: Simply adjusting your clock to increase pace of game play to have more to do in a longer session of play.
Example: Moving the clock forward to open a building/bridge/slope etc.

TTA: Adjusting the clock to gain major benefits, producing a godly amount of profit.
Example: Moving the clock forward to manipulate the turnip prices for the best profit, rinse and repeating until desired amount.

Now, this is my question:
Where do we draw a line? Between non-TTing players and TTA? A lot of people defend Time Traveling, and I don't care how YOU play the game, BUT when you're Time Traveling clearing abusing it, I don't find it any more honest then duping at that point.

Why do non-TTing hate TTing so much? Why are people so hateful towards the subject in general? My only guess is because it's a "taboo" subject that nobody wants to talk about, or scared that people will be labeled as a cheater. That's me simply guessing though...

I may add on to this, maybe not. Feel free to keep it classy, no bashing, no hate, and if you don't agree with someone just let it go. Thank you.

 

[SheepMareep]

There is a little bit of misinformation in the OP so... this may be long.

You seem to be mixing time travel up with duping. There isnt... "time travel abuse" as you put it. It just does not exist.

"Manipulating turnip prices"
The game actually PREVENTS time travelers from having good turnip prices. The more you time travel the lower they will sell for in timmy/Tommy and higher chance of having more expensive turnips when daisy mae comes around. Also, if you go backwards at all they rot.The only way TTers can "abuse" the system is by having their day on a sunday and finding a friend or someone who has turnips selling for 500+bells and just running back/forth.

I also wouldn't consider that TT abuse because even non-TTers will do this. (I know I have friends who will ask me if I'm on a Sunday so that we can jump between the two towns getting/selling turnips.)

TTers ALSO seem to help the economy rather than destroy it like dupers. From my personal experience that Is. Typically if someone wants an item I need to order I dont mind having them pay for it and maybe give me a flower or two to cover the effort of TTing.
Dupers are the ones making 1,000's of bells off of duping crowns, funneling 1,000,000's into the economy through giveaways, and making themselves overly rich. I mean.... it's hard to TT and make a ton of money at the same time lol. We just unlock shops and things faster.

Non TTers hate us because we are "impatient" and "go against how the game was 'MEANT' to be played" in their eyes. Granted, animal crossing has always had this feature and punishes us to an extend already FOR being impatient. But that's how I personally like to play; I am doing HUGE renovations on my town and its frustrating to have to wait 3 days so I can move 2 villager homes out of the way just to make my paths work.
They also see us as "cheating" because we get things before the "natural progression" of the game... like apparently having the museum 2 or 3 days before everyone is cheating and spoilers and horrible. People will refuse to buy or sell to TTers claiming we will "spoil" something for them but... there isnt anything we have seem that Nintendo hadn't shown us prior. And it sucks when some people specifically ban TTers just for playing the game the way they like lol.

 

[Mav13]

**This is not a TTing hate thread, this is purely discussion. Play how you want to play.

Due to the overwhelming huge demand of lovely people wanting me to make this thread, I thought I would do so for them all! Now let's get to the discussion of the matter. I only have a couple of questions, and thoughts on the whole time traveling matters, not really any concerns that affect me. I think there are two different kind of TTings, one to speed up game play, and maybe to unlock features and just enjoy themselves. I'm 200% ok with that, but where do we draw a line between someone playing to help them enjoy the game VS purely playing to make profit to obtain thing through BellTree?

Not everyone who time travels is going to be rich, and go and ruin the buying/selling/bidding section of BellTree but I do believe this is why I would like to come up with the term TTA(TimeTravelAbuse. I would like to explain the difference in the two, it's simple:

TTing: Simply adjusting your clock to increase pace of game play to have more to do in a longer session of play.
Example: Moving the clock forward to open a building/bridge/slope etc.

TTA: Adjusting the clock to gain major benefits, producing a godly amount of profit.
Example: Moving the clock forward to manipulate the turnip prices for the best profit, rinse and repeating until desired amount.

Now, this is my question:
Where do we draw a line? Between non-TTing players and TTA? A lot of people defend Time Traveling, and I don't care how YOU play the game, BUT when you're Time Traveling clearing abusing it, I don't find it any more honest then duping at that point.

Why do non-TTing hate TTing so much? Why are people so hateful towards the subject in general? My only guess is because it's a "taboo" subject that nobody wants to talk about, or scared that people will be labeled as a cheater. That's me simply guessing though...

I may add on to this, maybe not. Feel free to keep it classy, no bashing, no hate, and if you don't agree with someone just let it go. Thank you.

I'm 50/50 on it. Because they game doesnt give the option to TT makes me think that the developers didnt want this in the game. You have to change time in your switch settings just to TT.. Aslo I understand why ppl fo TT because they want to progress faster. I do see a lot of abuse for it as well as in trading these rare villagers for 15million bells or so.. and most likely selling them to duppers because I can only seeing duppers having that much money. Just an example of abusing TT

 

[Mairen]

Hmm I think it would be difficult for anyone to come forward and say "I time travel only to make profit" I think most people time travel because they prefer a faster pace of gameplay and it's just more fun for them.

 

[JKDOS]

As long as it doesn't destroy the economy like those duplicating crowns have done for Nook Tickets, I'm fine.

2000 Nook Miles are not worth a few hundred thousand bells.

I have 40,000 miles right now. So technically if I wanted to play dirty, cheaters would be willing to pay me about 8,000,000 bells for them.

The amount of time it takes to make 2000 Miles to me is worth about 20,000 at the most.

 

[Larimar]

You can't time travel with turnips (at least you couldnt in NL, but i still dont think you can in NH) because they will automatically die if the game notices a clock change, so luckily you can't misuse TTing on that end :O

Honestly I think it's,, really difficult to gain huge profits really fast with TTing in the way you're trying to describe it with TTAs. As someone who used to TT in NL, I'd pretty much gain the same amount of bells each in-game day as I would playing normally, but I would just be able to achieve it multiple times in one real-time day. It still takes an absurd amount of time to make a ton of bells.

if anything, it was more beneficial to simply use the beetle island strategy and then keep winding the clock back to avoid Re-Tail closing so that you can keep selling your beetles for hours on end, but that's waaay to much menial grinding that'd probably bore people after the first hour, but that's probably just me. Why keep playing through every day when you can just wind the clock back an hour for even faster benefits if you only care about making bells?

I think "abusing" the system with TTing is far more difficult than a lot of people think it is, they really think it's just "you can move the clock forward, so the bells just fall right into your lap" when you still need to put in the effort of grinding for those bells. It's no different when a daily player uses the beetle/tarantula island for fast money, and like i said before, probably way more beneficial in the long-run anyway

but yeah, i totally get you and others' concerns about this stuff. admittedly I don't know a lot about the more "hardcore" scene of the animal crossing community, so there probably is a lot more to it than I think there is :O If anything I think the only thing that can be "exploited" are the out-of-game markets like the markets on this site, but I'm also very unfamiliar with that scene too

edit: also yeah as someone mentioned before: people mostly hate TTers because they see them as "playing the game wrong" even though it doesn't personally affect them whatsoever. I've never had the "integrity" of the game ruined for me by time traveling in NL, the only downside i experienced is burnout

 

[DJStarstryker]

I haven't TTed yet in NH, but there's also people that TT because they are busy and missed certain days. For example, it can be hard for me to actually play Animal Crossing (or any video game) on Christmas Day because of being with family. I tend to have to play on the 26th, change the time to be the 25th for Toy Day, do what I want to do for that day, and then TT forward to make the time back to real time. I'm not the only one who does this. I've seen others mention they TT for missing days too.

For your questions:

- Where to draw a line? I don't think we need to. Animal Crossing is not a competitive game. If some people want to abuse things, fine. They can do that. But people who don't like TTing just need to be aware that, for some people's fun, some will do that. They can just choose to not trade with TTers by politely asking if they TT or not, and then politely saying that they prefer not to experience things ahead of real time. No need to be mean from either side.

- Why do not TTers hate TTing? I honestly have no idea. I assume it's some feeling that it's cheating, but again... this isn't a competitive game. The developers may have intended you to not TT, but even they admit they don't see TTing as cheating. For some people it could be flat out being jealous about more progress, but that's always going to happen. The Australians are legitimately about 1 day ahead of where I am in-game even though I got it day 1 thanks to time zones. Do I care? Not really. I just work on my own progress. Their progress doesn't affect me.

 

[Mairen]

I'm 50/50 on it. Because they game doesnt give the option to TT makes me think that the developers didnt want this in the game. You have to change time in your switch settings just to TT.. Aslo I understand why ppl fo TT because they want to progress faster. I do see a lot of abuse for it as well as in trading these rare villagers for 15million bells or so.. and most likely selling them to duppers because I can only seeing duppers having that much money. Just an example of abusing TT

I've kind of always felt that too, in regards to "the game is designed with a slower pace in mind". Which is why I've always referred to it as "natural pace vs. time travel". I thought that was a pretty neutral way of phrasing it without making anyone feel bad about the speed they choose to play.

I'm absolutely fine with time travelers (I did it myself in new leaf afterall!). But I'm also personally having so much more fun playing this game naturally too.

 

[SillyPrinny]

There is a little bit of misinformation in the OP so... this may be long.

You seem to be mixing time travel up with duping. There isnt... "time travel abuse" as you put it. It just does not exist.

"Manipulating turnip prices"
The game actually PREVENTS time travelers from having good turnip prices. The more you time travel the lower they will sell for in timmy/Tommy and higher chance of having more expensive turnips when daisy mae comes around. Also, if you go backwards at all they rot.The only way TTers can "abuse" the system is by having their day on a sunday and finding a friend or someone who has turnips selling for 500+bells and just running back/forth.

I also wouldn't consider that TT abuse because even non-TTers will do this. (I know I have friends who will ask me if I'm on a Sunday so that we can jump between the two towns getting/selling turnips.)

TTers ALSO seem to help the economy rather than destroy it like dupers. From my personal experience that Is. Typically if someone wants an item I need to order I dont mind having them pay for it and maybe give me a flower or two to cover the effort of TTing.
Dupers are the ones making 1,000's of bells off of duping crowns, funneling 1,000,000's into the economy through giveaways, and making themselves overly rich. I mean.... it's hard to TT and make a ton of money at the same time lol. We just unlock shops and things faster.

Non TTers hate us because we are "impatient" and "go against how the game was 'MEANT' to be played" in their eyes. Granted, animal crossing has always had this feature and punishes us to an extend already FOR being impatient. But that's how I personally like to play; I am doing HUGE renovations on my town and its frustrating to have to wait 3 days so I can move 2 villager homes out of the way just to make my paths work.
They also see us as "cheating" because we get things before the "natural progression" of the game... like apparently having the museum 2 or 3 days before everyone is cheating and spoilers and horrible. People will refuse to buy or sell to TTers claiming we will "spoil" something for them but... there isnt anything we have seem that Nintendo hadn't shown us prior. And it sucks when some people specifically ban TTers just for playing the game the way they like lol.

No, I'm not mixing them up with duping. Also that isn't true about the turnip prices, it's all pattern based, unless this was change in ACNH. Do you have anything that can prove this? I'm very interested to see any kinda of information with turnip prices and TTing, I would test this out myself but only having the one console it isn't the easy for me to solo test. I also believe it depends on a couple of things when it comes to the economy, sooner or later enough time will pass and these people having all their duped money saved up will come out of hiding and just act like they've earned it.

Personally, I don't see it as cheating. Due to a couple of things, 1. Anyone can do it. 2. If Nintendo made it where the console clock adjusts the game, with no real consequences then why not? I am starting to think my the up coming events might have some sort of punishments for TTing? That's only a guess though, very good insight and thank you for the post.

You can't time travel with turnips (at least you couldnt in NL, but i still dont think you can in NH) because they will automatically die if the game notices a clock change, so luckily you can't misuse TTing on that end :O

Honestly I think it's,, really difficult to gain huge profits really fast with TTing in the way you're trying to describe it with TTAs. As someone who used to TT in NL, I'd pretty much gain the same amount of bells each in-game day as I would playing normally, but I would just be able to achieve it multiple times in one real-time day. It still takes an absurd amount of time to make a ton of bells.

if anything, it was more beneficial to simply use the beetle island strategy and then keep winding the clock back to avoid Re-Tail closing so that you can keep selling your beetles for hours on end, but that's waaay to much menial grinding that'd probably bore people after the first hour, but that's probably just me. Why keep playing through every day when you can just wind the clock back an hour for even faster benefits if you only care about making bells?

I think "abusing" the system with TTing is far more difficult than a lot of people think it is, they really think it's just "you can move the clock forward, so the bells just fall right into your lap" when you still need to put in the effort of grinding for those bells. It's no different when a daily player uses the beetle/tarantula island for fast money, and like i said before, probably way more beneficial in the long-run anyway

but yeah, i totally get you and others' concerns about this stuff. admittedly I don't know a lot about the more "hardcore" scene of the animal crossing community, so there probably is a lot more to it than I think there is :O If anything I think the only thing that can be "exploited" are the out-of-game markets like the markets on this site, but I'm also very unfamiliar with that scene too

edit: also yeah as someone mentioned before: people mostly hate TTers because they see them as "playing the game wrong" even though it doesn't personally affect them whatsoever. I've never had the "integrity" of the game ruined for me by time traveling in NL, the only downside i experienced is burnout

Would need to be done between two consoles. Good insight friend.

 

[JKDOS]

You can't time travel with turnips (at least you couldnt in NL, but i still dont think you can in NH) because they will automatically die if the game notices a clock change, so luckily you can't misuse TTing on that end :O

That's actually half true. You can TT forwards and be fine. There is no way for the game to detect time traveling, because the game doesn't sync with Nintendo time servers. It relies on the system clock to tell time. You just can't TT backwards or past sunday. Because the way the game works, it can easily detect you going back in time just by comparing the current time and the last save time.

 

[Laureline]

I don’t mind time travelers, I myself used to do it in new leaf. My only issue as of now, is people doing it to unbalance things.

 

[Larimar]

That's actually half true. You can TT forwards and be fine. There is no way for the game to detect time traveling, because the game doesn't sync with Nintendo time servers. It relies on the system clock to tell time. You just can't TT backwards or past sunday. Because the way the game works, it can easily detect you going back in time just by comparing the current time and the last save time.

AH oh wow, I never knew that, I always took the "turnips spoil if there's a disturbance in time" thing at surface level and never dealt with the Stalk Market in NL, that's new to me dsfdf

and I guess even if they spoiled by traveling forwards, then this would be the work-around for that:

Would need to be done between two consoles. Good insight friend.

 

[Therhodian]

I time traveled at the beginning because I got the game late, it was sold out everywhere didn't have the money to pre-order but didn't want to be punished for being poor hahaha! I only time skipped from day 20 to 21 and then went to day 22 naturally and then skipped to the 24th (to go on normal time/date etc. And just played on normally so now I am on the 27th and I'm around there where I should be.

As for time traveling I think especially younger people do this. I come from the n64-gamecube era, I was young at the time, I'm almost 28 now, of course I'll play the game a lot different now then when I did when I was in my early to late teens. Now I'm a adult and busy with real life stuff that leaves me a small time slot to play. Now I can actually play a lot cause of the whole corona crisis.

For me timetraveling will ruin the game if I do it now. I rather not play with time travelers as for trading villagers I do not see the point to sell a villager for 15 million bells or whatever, I mean for me to earn 15 million bills is a lot more work then just buying the amiibo card or lending it from a friend.

 

[jiojiop]

I've definitely TT'd for money in past games. You can go into the future and make a huge profit on your savings account, then go back into the past. It's way easier to profit that way than turnips. And now that duping has been patched out / made harder, it's easier to profit via TTing than duping.

Personally, I don't really care about TTers driving prices up in the marketplace. I think if someone is so greedy that they'll only take 50 million bells for a villager, I don't get mad at them cuz they're ruining the game for themselves. Getting that much money all at once depletes your enjoyment of the game and deprives you of the pride you get in making it yourself. I always preferred the people who gave away their villagers freely based on order of signup in a wishlist.

I also don't think that TTers are really getting much hate here. I've said in another thread, I don't see the hatred, cruelty, and slurs that people are saying is present in the community. It's happening on reddit/twitter, sure, but I think the feeling of persecution by non-TTers is mostly coming from other sites, old experiences, or taking non-TTers personal preferences personally.

 

[Therhodian]

I don’t mind time travelers, I myself used to do it in new leaf. My only issue as of now, is people doing it to unbalance things.

With new leaf online play was still a bit clunky, with the switch online play is a lot better streamlined. I guess this does also make a difference.

 

[JKDOS]

and I guess even if they spoiled by traveling forwards, then this would be the work-around for that:

Oh yes, owning town consoles definitely does help in one way or another. I assume if it's saturday in your town, you can give the turnips to someone who is on a Monday, and the turnips expiration date will reset.

 

[SheepMareep]

No, I'm not mixing them up with duping. Also that isn't true about the turnip prices, it's all pattern based, unless this was change in ACNH. Do you have anything that can prove this? I'm very interested to see any kinda of information with turnip prices and TTing, I would test this out myself but only having the one console it isn't the easy for me to solo test. I also believe it depends on a couple of things when it comes to the economy, sooner or later enough time will pass and these people having all their duped money saved up will come out of hiding and just act like they've earned it.

Personally, I don't see it as cheating. Due to a couple of things, 1. Anyone can do it. 2. If Nintendo made it where the console clock adjusts the game, with no real consequences then why not? I am starting to think my the up coming events might have some sort of punishments for TTing? That's only a guess though, very good insight and thank you for the post.

I am a TTer and my prices have never gone past 100 bells. The more I tt the lower it gets towards the 80's and even 60s on some days.
I'm pretty sure it was always like that. Even if the game isn't synced to servers it can tell when the time was disrupted. You have to close the game and open it back up for TTing to work I'm sure they can track the game going from 5PM on a tuesday to 2PM on. Wednesday in 2minutes lol

 

[SillyPrinny]

I am a TTer and my prices have never gone past 100 bells. The more I tt the lower it gets towards the 80's and even 60s on some days.
I'm pretty sure it was always like that. Even if the game isn't synced to servers it can tell when the time was disrupted. You have to close the game and open it back up for TTing to work I'm sure they can track the game going from 5PM on a tuesday to 2PM on. Wednesday in 2minutes lol

Mind keeping tabs? So you've never seen it even go up by a single bell? Because I know this was a popular method in New Leaf, and would be a god send if the team did make this a feature.

 

[Mairen]

I also don't think that TTers are really getting much hate here. I've said in another thread, I don't see the hatred, cruelty, and slurs that people are saying is present in the community. It's happening on reddit/twitter, sure, but I think the feeling of persecution by non-TTers is mostly coming from other sites, old experiences, or taking non-TTers personal preferences personally.

I want to ask the people who are saying this to "please show me where you've been bullied at belltree for time traveling". I'm afraid that the false statements of "oh time travellers are bullied all the time! poor persecuted us." will end up causing a negative divide even here, when there's really only been a positive group of people. I'd like to think the admins here wouldn't tolerate bullying anyways and it would be dealt with pretty swiftly. All this negativity swirling around here lately is starting to make me worried =( I'm not saying everyone on these boards are always perfect angels... but these accusations seem to be taking the situation too far.

 

[Luna Moonbug]

not fan of time travel...too much work...besides with this new AC there's tons quests you can do
and with all the options nook gives us to move buildings we need LOTS and LOTS of bells lol